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Pentecostal is base mostly on the end of time. Hell, fire and damnation. Revelations. The Devil fighting God for the good souls that stayed true.
That is just my experience.
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Pentecostal is base mostly on the end of time. Hell, fire and damnation. Revelations. The Devil fighting God for the good souls that stayed true.
That is just my experience.
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I don't think the church is her place. She could be a good speaker and empower women in another area. Being married to him, she is expected to do and act a certain way. That's not who she is though. Maybe I'm wrong. That's just not what I see.
I'm sure she enjoyed the money that was made, but there are a lot of very unhappy people that have money, if everything else in their life is a lie.
I'm sure she enjoyed the money that was made, but there are a lot of very unhappy people that have money, if everything else in their life is a lie.
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Not that I've watched much of him, but she seems to be a much better preacher and had it more together. She's definitely better groomed to have been the one supposedly in such bad shape.
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I decided to look at some of the reviews for the church. One of the google reviews of from an man does not like the church and says Ron has 15 pages of tax liens against him and they brainwashed his daughter. Someone upthread had alluded to some kind of foreclosure or other financial issues. Does anyone know anything about that?
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The error begins when people hold folks like the Carpenters in such high esteem , it amounts to hero worship and pastor worship.
This is not the intended Christian model .
The majority of what the Carpenters talk is about them , and what they have , and how great their church is.
Observe closely , it is like they are trying to convince themselves of their own greatness , and their own success , and they try to get the audience to concur .
And the more people they can bring in , and the more tithes and offerings they can bring in , it reinforces the error and it begins to feed upon itself.
It amounts to showmanship in the midst of a popularity contest with a big studio budget
And they (the Carpenters) cannot be themselves anymore , they cannot have bad days like the rest of us , they cannot be seen making mistakes like the rest of us , the show must continue , and that is what it becomes , a show , and not much more.
It puts tremendous pressures upon the "show leaders"
The people (congregation) are just as afraid to face the possibility that their mega-church , with its mega-budget , and its mega-popularity could collapse in scandal so they try to "blame it on something else".
Better to sacrifice an errant Pastors wife to save the big show.
Christianity has always been about rescuing imperfect broken down humans , not by our own merits , but by compassion from above and with great cost from above.
The founder of Christianity has endless patience with our imperfections , but if we get too full of ourselves he lets us fall and crash from our lofty position.
This is what we are seeing here . This is not complicated.
Mr. Carpenter gives me the creeps . I expect there is much more to this story than we are being told.
Everything that is hidden will be seen .
Best wishes and be wise
A.M.
This is not the intended Christian model .
The majority of what the Carpenters talk is about them , and what they have , and how great their church is.
Observe closely , it is like they are trying to convince themselves of their own greatness , and their own success , and they try to get the audience to concur .
And the more people they can bring in , and the more tithes and offerings they can bring in , it reinforces the error and it begins to feed upon itself.
It amounts to showmanship in the midst of a popularity contest with a big studio budget
And they (the Carpenters) cannot be themselves anymore , they cannot have bad days like the rest of us , they cannot be seen making mistakes like the rest of us , the show must continue , and that is what it becomes , a show , and not much more.
It puts tremendous pressures upon the "show leaders"
The people (congregation) are just as afraid to face the possibility that their mega-church , with its mega-budget , and its mega-popularity could collapse in scandal so they try to "blame it on something else".
Better to sacrifice an errant Pastors wife to save the big show.
Christianity has always been about rescuing imperfect broken down humans , not by our own merits , but by compassion from above and with great cost from above.
The founder of Christianity has endless patience with our imperfections , but if we get too full of ourselves he lets us fall and crash from our lofty position.
This is what we are seeing here . This is not complicated.
Mr. Carpenter gives me the creeps . I expect there is much more to this story than we are being told.
Everything that is hidden will be seen .
Best wishes and be wise
A.M.
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I have a heart warming story to tell. Many , many years ago. My great grandparents, married 75 years, attended church every Sunday & Wednesday. She went to the Church Of Christ, he attended the Freewill Baptists. They lived in the head of a hollow, just as I do today. When they would start walking to church, they would part in the forks of the dirt road. She would go to her church, he would go to his. They were married 76 years, before grandpa passed. They got a 75th Anniversary card from President Nixon. They were the most beautiful couple I had ever seen. Every Sunday, after church, they would prepare a big meal, for those that wanted to come. How I miss those Sundays, at Granny's and Grandpa's. 
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Interesting comment from a man asking about RWOC on this forum. He says that he hears that Ron claims to be an apostle and that church members cannot talk directly to him, they must use an intermediary.
I have heard other complaints about Ron and his posse of bodyguards and the complaints that he doesn't even answer prayer requests, doesn't interact with members on a personal level, just gets on stage, does his apostle act and that's his whole interaction with the church members, well that and doing a lot of asking for money, which is also a complaint that has turned people away from the church. Some people are offended by his title of apostle.
Generally speaking, this is what an apostle is defined as
THE QUALIFICATIONS OF AN APOSTLE
When one assembles all the relevant New Testament data, at least three qualifications emerge as prerequisite to one becoming an apostle in the official sense (Hayden, 1894, p. 33, expands these credentials to seven in number). First, an apostle had to have seen the Lord and been an eyewitness of Christ’s resurrection (Acts 1:22; 22:14; 1 Corinthians 9:1). Second, an apostle had to be specifically selected by the Lord or the Holy Spirit (Matthew 10:5; Mark 3:13-14; Luke 6:13; Acts 1:26; 9:15; 22:14-15,21; 26:16). Third, an apostle was invested with miraculous power to the extent that he could perform miracles. The power to perform miracles included the capability to confer the ability to work miracles to other individuals through the laying on of his hands (Mark 3:15; 16:17-20; Luke 9:1-2; John 14:12,26; 15:24-27; 16:13; Acts 2:43; 4:29-31,33; 5:12,15-16; 6:6; 8:14-18; 19:6; 2 Timothy 1:6; Romans 1:11; Hebrews 2:3-4). Jesus referred to His bestowal of miraculous capability upon the apostles when He promised they would be “endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49).
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/gree...rld-outreach-center-cult-2.html#ixzz2jBtcYOEy
I have heard other complaints about Ron and his posse of bodyguards and the complaints that he doesn't even answer prayer requests, doesn't interact with members on a personal level, just gets on stage, does his apostle act and that's his whole interaction with the church members, well that and doing a lot of asking for money, which is also a complaint that has turned people away from the church. Some people are offended by his title of apostle.
Generally speaking, this is what an apostle is defined as
THE QUALIFICATIONS OF AN APOSTLE
When one assembles all the relevant New Testament data, at least three qualifications emerge as prerequisite to one becoming an apostle in the official sense (Hayden, 1894, p. 33, expands these credentials to seven in number). First, an apostle had to have seen the Lord and been an eyewitness of Christ’s resurrection (Acts 1:22; 22:14; 1 Corinthians 9:1). Second, an apostle had to be specifically selected by the Lord or the Holy Spirit (Matthew 10:5; Mark 3:13-14; Luke 6:13; Acts 1:26; 9:15; 22:14-15,21; 26:16). Third, an apostle was invested with miraculous power to the extent that he could perform miracles. The power to perform miracles included the capability to confer the ability to work miracles to other individuals through the laying on of his hands (Mark 3:15; 16:17-20; Luke 9:1-2; John 14:12,26; 15:24-27; 16:13; Acts 2:43; 4:29-31,33; 5:12,15-16; 6:6; 8:14-18; 19:6; 2 Timothy 1:6; Romans 1:11; Hebrews 2:3-4). Jesus referred to His bestowal of miraculous capability upon the apostles when He promised they would be “endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49).
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/gree...rld-outreach-center-cult-2.html#ixzz2jBtcYOEy
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So the connection between Ron and Steven Furtick (of the new million dollar mansion that "God gave him") goes back to 2006 at least. They are both into this "prosperity" preaching and believe that they deserve the good life and that other can have to good life too, but only if they give a good bit of their money to Apostle Ron and Pastor Steven first.
Anyway, interesting post by Stevie Boy, because he mentions that Ron asked him about if he worried about his image. Which just tells me (I already knew from other research) that Ron is all about image and how he appears.
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/personal-development/the-bishop-the-apostle-and-little-white-me/
Oh and notice all of the name dropping Stevie does. That's part of the prosperity plan they all ascribe to. They promote each other. Notice how Ron had his 40 preacher friends in attendance the week after his big confession. They are all in this together and it is pretty much all about the money and power. They "sow" money into each others churches and into other up and coming young prosperity gospel preachers and they all meet up at meetings all over the country (and world) and get their name out there and get more preachers (and flocks) to buy into it.
Gee, kinda like multi-level marketing for God.
Ron is even mentioned in a book called "Blessed:Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel on page 260 ([ame="http://www.amazon.com/Blessed-History-American-Prosperity-Gospel/dp/0199827699/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383125929&sr=1-2&keywords=blessed#reader_0199827699"]Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel: Kate Bowler: 9780199827695: Amazon.com: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KBXB17RpL.@@AMEPARAM@@41KBXB17RpL[/ame]) The book tells of him being "anointed" by prosperity preacher Tommy Barnett in 1994.
Well, ole Tommy anointed him and sure enough, Ronnie Boy started prospering.
His church grew and 20 years later, he is a rock star preacher, complete with light show, smoke machine, faux scaffolding and his own posse of bodyguards. Why he even has a fancy sky box in the stadium to watch his favorite team the Gamecocks.
Good times have come indeed!! Surely he must be a chosen one, given these gift by God because Ron gave all he had to God and got all of this back a hundred fold.
And if you just listen to Apostle Ron, get the word of God from him and give to his church until it hurts, then you can prosper too.
Scuse me while I go barf now.
Anyway, interesting post by Stevie Boy, because he mentions that Ron asked him about if he worried about his image. Which just tells me (I already knew from other research) that Ron is all about image and how he appears.
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/personal-development/the-bishop-the-apostle-and-little-white-me/
Oh and notice all of the name dropping Stevie does. That's part of the prosperity plan they all ascribe to. They promote each other. Notice how Ron had his 40 preacher friends in attendance the week after his big confession. They are all in this together and it is pretty much all about the money and power. They "sow" money into each others churches and into other up and coming young prosperity gospel preachers and they all meet up at meetings all over the country (and world) and get their name out there and get more preachers (and flocks) to buy into it.
Gee, kinda like multi-level marketing for God.
Ron is even mentioned in a book called "Blessed:Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel on page 260 ([ame="http://www.amazon.com/Blessed-History-American-Prosperity-Gospel/dp/0199827699/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383125929&sr=1-2&keywords=blessed#reader_0199827699"]Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel: Kate Bowler: 9780199827695: Amazon.com: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KBXB17RpL.@@AMEPARAM@@41KBXB17RpL[/ame]) The book tells of him being "anointed" by prosperity preacher Tommy Barnett in 1994.
Well, ole Tommy anointed him and sure enough, Ronnie Boy started prospering.
His church grew and 20 years later, he is a rock star preacher, complete with light show, smoke machine, faux scaffolding and his own posse of bodyguards. Why he even has a fancy sky box in the stadium to watch his favorite team the Gamecocks.
Good times have come indeed!! Surely he must be a chosen one, given these gift by God because Ron gave all he had to God and got all of this back a hundred fold.
And if you just listen to Apostle Ron, get the word of God from him and give to his church until it hurts, then you can prosper too.
Scuse me while I go barf now.
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And Preacher Steve mentions Ron (and other fellow prosperity preachers) in his other sermons as well.
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/leadership/layers/ ( Steve says "Ron Carpenter, Pastor at Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville, came and met with us. He just came, out of the kindness of his heart, to pour into our staff for a whole afternoon. What a good guy. Not many pastors of churches with 10,000 members would do that. Any of you who know who he is and have something bad to say about him, don’t say it in front of me. I’ll jack your jaw. I’m serious. I appreciate and honor people who make time to bless my leadership team.")
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/personal-development/dress-for-the-wedding-not-the-gas-station/ ( Steve mentions and thanks Ron for an analogy he used in a sermon)
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/personal-development/pastors-im-listening-to-in-2011/ ( Ooh goody a list of the pastors that Stevie the Wonder Boy is listening to and recommends that you do too! They come from a variety of denominations but they all have that good ole prosperity gospel so you know that Steve isn't the only one who heard about this prosperity thing from God. These guys heard it too and look at how prosperous they are. I wonder how many on this list were there to support Ron after his big revelation about his "horror" of a marriage.)
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/leadership/layers/ ( Steve says "Ron Carpenter, Pastor at Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville, came and met with us. He just came, out of the kindness of his heart, to pour into our staff for a whole afternoon. What a good guy. Not many pastors of churches with 10,000 members would do that. Any of you who know who he is and have something bad to say about him, don’t say it in front of me. I’ll jack your jaw. I’m serious. I appreciate and honor people who make time to bless my leadership team.")
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/personal-development/dress-for-the-wedding-not-the-gas-station/ ( Steve mentions and thanks Ron for an analogy he used in a sermon)
http://www.stevenfurtick.com/personal-development/pastors-im-listening-to-in-2011/ ( Ooh goody a list of the pastors that Stevie the Wonder Boy is listening to and recommends that you do too! They come from a variety of denominations but they all have that good ole prosperity gospel so you know that Steve isn't the only one who heard about this prosperity thing from God. These guys heard it too and look at how prosperous they are. I wonder how many on this list were there to support Ron after his big revelation about his "horror" of a marriage.)
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If Ron has tax liens and properties in foreclosure, there's even more reason to worry about Hope's safety.
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Here is a post from a pastor in Greenville, SC, on the situation. There are some interesting links in the post also. He talks in detail about how these churches focus so heavily on marketing.
http://viewfromtheheights.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/market-driven-church-creates-its-own-victims/
http://viewfromtheheights.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/market-driven-church-creates-its-own-victims/
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I just looked at his FB page- unbelievable! It's filled with cloying, worshipful (not of God, of HIM)lease: messages from his 'church family' all positive! Here's what I posted (I was surprised I could post on his wall but I could and did- it probably is already deleted!) Anyway, I posted this:
"Are you even AWARE of how deeply the media is looking into your wife situation??"
Oh God I hope he answers back! Idiot!!
It's still there, and it now has 4 Likes.
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I will spare you all the details of my horrible experiences with church etc from when I was little and then some.
I will say that both Ron and Hope seem overly materialistic to me. I always thought that you get your rewards in heaven and if you got them here on earth, then you've already been rewarded. JMO
I certainly do not feel you have to live dirt poor to be a preacher, but its awful convenient that they preach about getting what they want etc.
I think this could all be a scam from both of them like see we were in so much marital chaos and thanks to God we are now back together now we can sell more stuff to the masses.
I also feel it could be something else. I know multiple personality disorder was brought up on here and I feel that could be the case. Yrs ago when I worked at a DR office we had a lady with this problem. Was she for real? I don't know I was young and stupid and didn't pay a lot of attention but it seems that it seemed very convenient for her I do recall that. She had the Dr I worked for convinced that she had MPD. She came in quite often for it, until he finally sent her to a psychologist/therapist whatever.
What I do recall however is that she was married, with 2 kids, one was school age and one was younger. She was married to a man that was out of town a lot. What I recall is that when this man was out of town, she was going to college, partying and having a lot of sexual encounters with men. I recall her once telling me that one of her kids was not hers, that she just watched that one cause she had a different mom. I was like OK. I found it pretty convenient that her "Other personality" knew just when to turn that switch about the time the hubby came back to town. Call me skeptical. I thought this woman is pretty smart, cause now she even had DR records to back up her stories and is going to therapist etc to help back it up even more. One day that could come in very handy with Hubby. What a surprise right?
I think it is possible that Hope is in some type of treatment facility and possibly for MPD. But I also see that they preach one thing to their congregation and do another when it is them selves. Like saying the devil causes all these problems that we're to overcome, marriage is forever, divorce is not an option and then at the first hint of problems, divorce is a for sure thing, and we have so many problems we can't get through them. GMAB! Either you walk the walk or get off the road. Put your money where your mouth is Ron!
I don't care what Hope has done, don't preach about unconditional love when you can't do it yourself.
If she is in treatment, then its obvious she is not being forced to stay there, that is not done unless you are a danger to yourself or society. Noone can force you there without your consent. And yes they do ask if you mind that they talk to your spouse about your condition and you can chose to let them or not.
I don't feel it is Rons place to talk dirt on his wife who is not there to defend herself. It seems off. I would have cheated on him yrs ago myself, I personally can't stand to listen to him or look at him. For all we know right now she is in club med, losing weight, having cosmetic surgery or a number of things.
Sorry for the rant this is all JMO. I do hope that she is fine also and I agree it is all very fishy.
I will say that both Ron and Hope seem overly materialistic to me. I always thought that you get your rewards in heaven and if you got them here on earth, then you've already been rewarded. JMO
I certainly do not feel you have to live dirt poor to be a preacher, but its awful convenient that they preach about getting what they want etc.
I think this could all be a scam from both of them like see we were in so much marital chaos and thanks to God we are now back together now we can sell more stuff to the masses.
I also feel it could be something else. I know multiple personality disorder was brought up on here and I feel that could be the case. Yrs ago when I worked at a DR office we had a lady with this problem. Was she for real? I don't know I was young and stupid and didn't pay a lot of attention but it seems that it seemed very convenient for her I do recall that. She had the Dr I worked for convinced that she had MPD. She came in quite often for it, until he finally sent her to a psychologist/therapist whatever.
What I do recall however is that she was married, with 2 kids, one was school age and one was younger. She was married to a man that was out of town a lot. What I recall is that when this man was out of town, she was going to college, partying and having a lot of sexual encounters with men. I recall her once telling me that one of her kids was not hers, that she just watched that one cause she had a different mom. I was like OK. I found it pretty convenient that her "Other personality" knew just when to turn that switch about the time the hubby came back to town. Call me skeptical. I thought this woman is pretty smart, cause now she even had DR records to back up her stories and is going to therapist etc to help back it up even more. One day that could come in very handy with Hubby. What a surprise right?
I think it is possible that Hope is in some type of treatment facility and possibly for MPD. But I also see that they preach one thing to their congregation and do another when it is them selves. Like saying the devil causes all these problems that we're to overcome, marriage is forever, divorce is not an option and then at the first hint of problems, divorce is a for sure thing, and we have so many problems we can't get through them. GMAB! Either you walk the walk or get off the road. Put your money where your mouth is Ron!
I don't care what Hope has done, don't preach about unconditional love when you can't do it yourself.
If she is in treatment, then its obvious she is not being forced to stay there, that is not done unless you are a danger to yourself or society. Noone can force you there without your consent. And yes they do ask if you mind that they talk to your spouse about your condition and you can chose to let them or not.
I don't feel it is Rons place to talk dirt on his wife who is not there to defend herself. It seems off. I would have cheated on him yrs ago myself, I personally can't stand to listen to him or look at him. For all we know right now she is in club med, losing weight, having cosmetic surgery or a number of things.
Sorry for the rant this is all JMO. I do hope that she is fine also and I agree it is all very fishy.
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I haven't seen him interact on a personal level with his congregation at all. He seems to preach and then run off the stage. He posts things on FB, but I've never seen him reply to anyone.
I seriously want to shake the hundreds of people that post in a personal way on his FB and tell them that they are wasting there time, this is all one sided and he only cares about what's in your wallet. Is he there for them when they have a crisis? I haven't seen it.
It looks like at least Hope was on a more personal level with the ladies.
It's interesting that it is stated they started the church together not just Ron. So how does he have any right to completely erase her name from everything?
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Anyone dare me to ask where his wife is on his facebook? haha
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I'm curious if the church has rules or a code of conduct for the Pastors. This could be what this is all about. The adultery story could be all fabricated in order to strip her from the church and any money associated with it.
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Does she not have her own facebook account? Do they have a shared one? I don't know just asking.
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