Pat Brown compares Lisa case to other cases.

[jjenny]

Why would she copy a scenario that failed, and rather quickly too.

In the case that failed there was a good reason for the failure:the body was found in the house. The whole house stunk.

 

[plaidmom]

There's been much comparison of various cases amongst the discussions ...

Yes, I'm probably the last human that did not follow the Anthony case. I had much too strong a gut reaction immediately + couldn't follow along or I would've blown at least 2 gaskets!

Pardon, but bolded and snipped by me.

I thought I was the only one! :floorlaugh: Perhaps we need to start a club?

 

[Codger]

Pardon, but bolded and snipped by me.

I thought I was the only one! :floorlaugh: Perhaps we need to start a club?

:woohoo: :great: I was sure I was all alone over here!
A club of two :floorlaugh:

 

[Codger]

Why would she copy a scenario that failed, and rather quickly too.

My speculation = Maybe she thought she was smarter + could improve upon that scenario? :dunno:

I just found some of the little details a bit eerie + then they started piling up. That's a whole lot of coincidence, to me.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I've noticed a lot of similarities between Lisa's case and JonBenet's case. In both cases, the child was reported missing from their bedroom. The parents claim that an unknown intruder came into the home when the family was sleeping. In both cases, this intruder seemed to be a little too comfortable in the house. JonBenet's body was found in the basement; Lisa is still missing.

The missing cell phones in Lisa's case remind me a lot of the ransom note in the Ramsey case. They are both very hinky pieces of evidence and you can make them fit any theory. They also don't seem to really fit the whole intruder theory in either case. What intruder kidnaps a baby and steals cell phones? What intruder writes a ransom note demanding 118k for the safe return of the child and then murders the child in the basement? It's like the intruders have two different personas.

In both cases, you have bad blood between the parents and LE. LE announced publicly that the parents are not cooperating with the investigation. The parents deny this. The parents got lawyers in both cases. There's been a lot of debate about the cooperation and lawyers in both cases.

You also have some smaller but also worth mentioning similarities. In both cases, a list was given to LE of possible intruders. The parents left the house after the crime occurred, and each house got a nickname---"the omen house" and "the hellhole".

The discussion about JonBenet and Lisa is also similar. In both cases, there seems to be two main theories----the family did it or an intruder did it. Within each main theory, there are many sub-theories that people have. Most people on the FDI side believe that JonBenet or Lisa were accidentally killed, and it was made to look like an intruder was involved. It's been pointed out that the crime scene seems overstaged. The IDI side points out that the families have no history of abuse, that parents wouldn't cover up the accidental death of a child, etc.

I know the Ramsey case is unsolved, but just from some googling I did, I noticed that a lot of people have noticed similarities between the two cases. Some believe the Ramseys are guilty and that the Irwins' story of what happened sounds just as ridiculous as the Ramseys' story. Others believe the Ramseys are innocent, and that LE had tunnel vision and that's why the case is unsolved; they fear the same is happening in the Irwin case.

I think the same scenario happened in both cases----the child was accidentally killed by the mother or the brother(s) and it was covered up. I am interested in seeing how the Irwin case plays out compared to the Ramsey case because of the socioeconomic differences. The Ramseys had money and connections. Just to give an example; the Boulder LE were not allowed access to John's December 1996 cell phone records. This is significant because there's speculation that he could have called someone before calling 911. The cell phone records in Lisa's case are also significant, but there is no way in hell LE won't see them.

I never noticed any similarities between JonBenet and Caylee or Kyron or Haleigh, so it's not like I'm seeing connections in every case. But ever since Lisa's story broke, it reminds me so much of the Ramsey case.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

snipped from : http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...ares-baby-lisa-case-to-other-child-abductions

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Some experts are raising questions about similarities between the Lisa Irwin case and other highly publicized child abduction cases.

It's all over the blogosphere. People are comparing this case to other well-known cases when mothers said their child had been kidnapped. That includes one that happened at Fort Bragg about the time Deborah Bradley, Lisa's mom, reportedly lived there.


:great: I believe that the "experts" are definitely reading here !

The members here at WS have been discussing these "other cases" since the beginning, and I remember when the Ft. Bragg case was brought up here by a WS Member !

:great: Great Job :websleuther:

MOO ...

 

[~n/t~]

Pat Brown had some legal trouble over the McCann case...maybe that is why not mentioned by name?

Since that case was never solved, I don't know how it can be compared to any other; for that matter, any unsolved case remains a mystery. It does sound the closest to Sabrina (Lisa's case, I mean) from what we have heard. JMO

The only legal trouble was her book which had to be removed from Amazon but I believe it could be sold elsewhere.

If one believes DB was negligent, I see the similarities.

If one believes the parents were involved, I see the similarties.

If one believes the parents covered up an accident, I see the similarities.

If one believes the parents wouldn't cooperate with LE, I see the similarities.

Madeleine's case remains unsolved but suspicion and questions linger even after 4 1/2 years.

 

[~n/t~]

Why would she copy a scenario that failed, and rather quickly too.

I haven't read up on the Fort Bragg case but from the little I did read here in posts, I thought the child was starved and put in the attic?

I don't see that with Lisa. She looks like a happy, well loved baby.

 

[~n/t~]

The Aisenberg case seems to be the most similar on the face of it; a 5 -month old baby girl disappeared from her crib during the night. She has never been found, parents were suspects without any evidence to charge them. LE wired their home and tried to use some recordings against them, but they were such bad recordings, the judge tossed them out as you really could not tell what they were saying at all. It was kind of a mess, and that was pretty much the end of it.

They were awarded 1.5 million.

 

[~n/t~]

Aisenburg case

In February 2004 an appeals court ordered the government to reimburse the Aisenbergs almost $1.5 million for defense fees.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-steve-marlene-aisenberg-offer-support-lisa/story?id=14737456

 

[Codger]

I've noticed a lot of similarities between Lisa's case and JonBenet's case. In both cases, the child was reported missing from their bedroom. The parents claim that an unknown intruder came into the home when the family was sleeping. In both cases, this intruder seemed to be a little too comfortable in the house. JonBenet's body was found in the basement; Lisa is still missing.

The missing cell phones in Lisa's case remind me a lot of the ransom note in the Ramsey case. They are both very hinky pieces of evidence and you can make them fit any theory. They also don't seem to really fit the whole intruder theory in either case. What intruder kidnaps a baby and steals cell phones? What intruder writes a ransom note demanding 118k for the safe return of the child and then murders the child in the basement? It's like the intruders have two different personas.

In both cases, you have bad blood between the parents and LE. LE announced publicly that the parents are not cooperating with the investigation. The parents deny this. The parents got lawyers in both cases. There's been a lot of debate about the cooperation and lawyers in both cases.

You also have some smaller but also worth mentioning similarities. In both cases, a list was given to LE of possible intruders. The parents left the house after the crime occurred, and each house got a nickname---"the omen house" and "the hellhole".

The discussion about JonBenet and Lisa is also similar. In both cases, there seems to be two main theories----the family did it or an intruder did it. Within each main theory, there are many sub-theories that people have. Most people on the FDI side believe that JonBenet or Lisa were accidentally killed, and it was made to look like an intruder was involved. It's been pointed out that the crime scene seems overstaged. The IDI side points out that the families have no history of abuse, that parents wouldn't cover up the accidental death of a child, etc.

I know the Ramsey case is unsolved, but just from some googling I did, I noticed that a lot of people have noticed similarities between the two cases. Some believe the Ramseys are guilty and that the Irwins' story of what happened sounds just as ridiculous as the Ramseys' story. Others believe the Ramseys are innocent, and that LE had tunnel vision and that's why the case is unsolved; they fear the same is happening in the Irwin case.

I think the same scenario happened in both cases----the child was accidentally killed by the mother or the brother(s) and it was covered up. I am interested in seeing how the Irwin case plays out compared to the Ramsey case because of the socioeconomic differences. The Ramseys had money and connections. Just to give an example; the Boulder LE were not allowed access to John's December 1996 cell phone records. This is significant because there's speculation that he could have called someone before calling 911. The cell phone records in Lisa's case are also significant, but there is no way in hell LE won't see them.

I never noticed any similarities between JonBenet and Caylee or Kyron or Haleigh, so it's not like I'm seeing connections in every case. But ever since Lisa's story broke, it reminds me so much of the Ramsey case.

Thanks wasn't enough. Fabulous, well written post! I had these thoughts + am so glad you put them all together, much better than I could've! :clap:

 

[not_my_kids]

The story that DB is telling the media is very similar to the Sabrina Aisenberg (sp) case. Put the baby down to bed, and a few hours later she was gone out of her own home. Lots of suspicion on the parents in that case, as well.

I do also see some shades of other cases, but they are too jumbled together to really compare it to another individual case in terms of DB's story of what happened that night. Sadly, I feel that by the end, this will be yet another case of a child killed by their mother, and a staged kidnapping to cover it up, but I can hope I'm wrong.

 

[Quiche]

I think it was a weak article about Pat B., but I'll throw my hat in the ring. This case smacks of Haleigh Cummings' disappearance to me. Care giver incapacitated by drugs, put kids to bed, later actually in bed with one while the other vanishes, lights on, door open, father comes home from from work in wee hours and discovers... bah!! And she's still gone-- three years next February.

I will state at this point, that it doesn't take a mastermind to get away with this, but it might take a "village" to cover it up. jmo

 

[21merc7]

The only legal trouble was her book which had to be removed from Amazon but I believe it could be sold elsewhere.

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Respectfully snipped

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/pro...ance-of-madeleine-mccann-pat-brown/1104524095

For the topic of this thread, my thoughts are:

This case, this early on, I would think is closet to Baby Sabrina, but we are no where far enough in, and have no info yet. No real leaks yet.

 

[TxLady2]

There are going to be similarities in ALL missing child cases... that's inevitable. The important thing to remember is, these similarities do not prove anything. It's just fodder for the "experts" to give their opinions and weigh in so that they can get that extra 30 seconds of air time or press coverage.
I do not trust everything I read or hear on t.v. simply because they're an "expert" and have educated opinions, since those opinions are not always accurate.
I was watching a body language expert on HLN yesterday weighing in on baby Lisa's parents interviews. Much of it was pretty spot on, but a couple things just didn't make sense to me, and I thought, what's the point? It would not hold up in court anyway. So my conclusion is, it's just another way of the media trying to sway the public opinion, thus poisoning a potential jury pool.

 

[not_my_kids]

Haleigh...how could I forget? There are circumstances that are similar, and I hate to say it, but I am seeing shades of Misty in some of DB's on-camera behavior.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I don't see the McCann case as similar in any way? I didn't read PB's blogs though :blush: I'll wait and see if we have a member that sees it

I just mentioned the McCann case yesterday on the search thread because it really is quite similar.

The parents left three-year-old Madeleine and her two younger twin siblings (yes, younger - just toddlers) alone in their suite while they went around the corner and across a courtyard to a tapas bar some distance away. Child care was available but they chose to do the 'checking' system of parents going around from time to time to look in on the kids. That would never fly as a defense in the U.S., but that is not considered "neglect" in Portugal.

At some point that night Madeleine "disappeared." A window screen was ajar - a second-story window.

The parents acted strange, even going running as usual the next day, and they did not help much with the searching. Much later, a cadaver dog hit on their car, which they said had been used to haul garbage to a dump including chicken bones. Later, there was also a hit from a cadaver dog near a couch where the child might have climbed up and fallen out the window, or where the body might have been hidden.

People suspected a cover-up as some of the friends of the family said they had seen odd suspects walking around carrying children (nothing was ever proven) and as sightings rolled in from around the world (all of them mistaken identities).

Very similar situation, except these people in Missouri were drinking boxed wine, not fine wine at a Portugal resort. :twocents: Like the Missouri mother, they wanted "grown-up time", only the people involved were attractive doctors with high-profile friends (J.K. Rowling has apparently helped the family financially).

And somebody is probably going to jail for something here in the U.S., while the McCanns are off living their lives in Scotland.

 

[~n/t~]

I just mentioned the McCann case yesterday on the search thread because it really is quite similar.

The parents left three-year-old Madeleine and her two younger twin siblings (yes, younger - just toddlers) alone in their suite while they went around the corner and across a courtyard to a tapas bar some distance away. Child care was available but they chose to do the 'checking' system of parents going around from time to time to look in on the kids. That would never fly as a defense in the U.S., but that is not considered "neglect" in Portugal.

At some point that night Madeleine "disappeared." A window screen was ajar - a second-story window.

The parents acted strange, even going running as usual the next day, and they did not help much with the searching. Much later, a cadaver dog hit on their car, which they said had been used to haul garbage to a dump including chicken bones. Later, there was also a hit from a cadaver dog near a couch where the child might have climbed up and fallen out the window, or where the body might have been hidden.

People suspected a cover-up as some of the friends of the family said they had seen odd suspects walking around carrying children (nothing was ever proven) and as sightings rolled in from around the world (all of them mistaken identities).

Very similar situation, except these people in Missouri were drinking boxed wine, not fine wine at a Portugal resort. :twocents: Like the Missouri mother, they wanted "grown-up time", only the people involved were attractive doctors with high-profile friends (J.K. Rowling has apparently helped the family financially).

And somebody is probably going to jail for something here in the U.S., while the McCanns are off living their lives in Scotland.

Check this out. Sightings of a man carrying a baby but not reported until a week later.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/2...ling-missing-10-month-old-lisa/#ixzz1bQtWf8wL


BTW...The McCanns are British.

 

[Pensfan]

Don't miss Pat Brown's comments r/t Munchausen's and Deborah on her excellent site:

Pat Brown said...
Both MSP and MSBP are labels given to a woman with a very high narcissistic streak, often psychopathy (which is the highest level of narcissism).

Miscarriages are often a trademark of MSP or MSBP; they are easy to claim and easy to get lots of sympathy for. The worst cases of MSBP involve a female serial killer who uses her own babies as victims; she gets power, control, and attention by getting pregnant, giving birth, and then getting even more attention when the baby "dies of SIDS." Then, she gets a fun funeral event and then goes back to the bed and creates the next victim.

However, with missing children getting so much media attention, having your child "kidnapped" is like winning the lottery for an MSBP woman.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

The only legal trouble was her book which had to be removed from Amazon but I believe it could be sold elsewhere.

If one believes DB was negligent, I see the similarities.

If one believes the parents were involved, I see the similarties.

If one believes the parents covered up an accident, I see the similarities.

If one believes the parents wouldn't cooperate with LE, I see the similarities.

Madeleine's case remains unsolved but suspicion and questions linger even after 4 1/2 years.

Sorry for the slight OT: I didn't know that. I actually bought her book off Amazon for my Kindle. Yay me!