Patsy's makeup that morning

[KoldKase]

and is this a real JB crime scene photo?this abrasion doesn't show up in other photos

http://candycane121.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=38976720

and the knot is on the other side

If you notice, the photo is rotated 45 degrees. That puts it in an awkward position, especially with the blurring of the face.

If you rotate it 45 degrees to the left, so the TV call symbol is upright for viewers, you'll see the photo is basically the child on her stomach, with the face turned to the right side so the large bruise under her ear is visible.

The shoulder is on the left in this photo when viewed in the correct position. That bruise on it is mentioned in the autopsy, a posterior bruising near the shoulder blade.

I'd rotate it for you, but I don't want to put it in my post as I'm not sure what the rules are at this point about including autopsy photos. They are upsetting. But you can see the photo as it was aired here on FFJ:

WARNING! GRAPHIC AUTOPSY PHOTOS! [ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9784"]JonBenet Ramsey autopsy photos - CAUTION GRAPHIC! - Forums For Justice[/ame]

 

[ShadyLady]

Was the roll of duct tape ever recovered? Did it have fibers or finger prints?

 

[KoldKase]

Was the roll of duct tape ever recovered? Did it have fibers or finger prints?

No matching roll of duct tape was ever recovered to our knowledge. The strip of duct tape found on her mouth had many fibers on it, an inordinate amount of which were consistent with a jacket Patsy had worn that evening to a Christmas dinner party. I've never seen any statement that there were fingerprints on the duct tape, though.

I put that qualifier on my response because we do know there is evidence to this day we don't know about, in spite of misleading comments we've heard stated by people like Lacy to the contrary. What she didn't know about this case is now legend.

Also, there was no matching cord found in the residence, or that's what we've been told all these years. There was a missing "tip" of the paintbrush used in the construction of the ligature found on the body, that's never been found as well.

And...the pajama bottoms the child wore on Christmas morning in photos of her with the Christmas tree were never found as far as we know, though the matching top can be seen turned inside out on her bed in crime scene photos.


I don't think Thomas or Kolar would lie about what they know, but it's my belief at this point so much evidence was so skillfully destroyed or manipulated in this case, including many elements of the crime scene, it wouldn't surprise me if Hunter knew from Day One exactly what happened in the home that night and was fully on board making his infamous back room deals with "suspects" before night fell again on the child's body. So what evidence was "lost" in that spirit, we may never know.

 

[4Jacy]

KoldKase,
Did I ever mention I lurv your accent? Now on Patsy and her clothes, lets apply some common sense.

Patsy any day of the week would arise shower, dress and do makeup etc.

Except on 12/26/1996 she arose dressed in her clothes from the night before, retouched her makeup, I forget the shower issues, one broken etc.

So why the sudden change particularly when she is meeting up with family later that day?

Now the makeup is a personal thing some cannot be seen without, even in bed, and many must have it just so, this is what I think lies behind Patsy's face so to speak. She knew she had a public to present to so makeup was essential.

Consider the contrast between JR and PR on arising that morning and their eventual presentation. PR is dressed and made up, JR is partially naked and unkept.

A basic surface interpretation suggests JR wandered into a nightmare not of his choosing, and that PR engineered a staged domestic homicide?

Now the Q I have never seen asked is, what did JR think that morning when he saw PR in same clothes she wore to the White's?

Would it have mattered to investigators if Patsy had presented with clean fresh clothes on 12/26/1996?

My guess is not.

So when PR wears the same clothes again, it reminds me of the size-12's, i.e. the only people concerned are the Ramsey's. Nobody else in the whole wide world is interested if its Wednesday or your Red Top is what JonBenet should have worn?

So cutting to the chase, in good southern fashion, I think Patsy had a staging agenda that revolved around clothing, to this end her and JonBenet synchronised their dress.

Now on the night of 12/25/1996 some of JonBenet's clothing became forensically a no go area, this might be due to semen, blood, or sweat transfer etc.

So PR invents the story JonBenet and I argued over what she might wear to the White's, despite Patsy attesting she was not present when JonBenet bathed and dressed.

This allows differentation in the JonBenet dress story, but one that will accord with whatever PR's account is?

So it appears PR had a staging to express, including one that required the previous nights clothing, yet it seems someone vetoed this and elected another approach.

So it looks like Patsy thought I'll go with my original plan, I'll dress in last nights clothing, but I'll go along with this wine-cellar kidnapping thing, to see if it works?


So I think PR dressing up in the same clothes she wore to the White's was a staging move, possibly even thinking she could redeem or rescue another family member from prosecution?

And as time moved forward that morning JR realised stuff could be moved and prior staging might be reconsidered, with BR relocated, JR had the opportunity to basically mess stuff up, particularly that which relates to directly to JonBenet.

So everyone must consider JR's remarks in relation to the chair sitting in front of the door. Why so , why the slip up, why the mistake?


So I think Patsy wore her White's outfit because she was going to claim when she found JonBenet thats what she was wearing, i.e. conforms to the White's agenda.

And this is the important inference, kinda long winded I know, yet Patsy had a staging agenda that included the clothes she wore to the White's, but that JR for reasons yet unknown managed to write her out of that script, yet by default implicate himself in the sexual assault and death of JonBenet Ramsey.







.

Agree and disagree with different aspects of your well thought out post.

One question: How do you know Patsy's wore wigs? tia

 

[UKGuy]

Agree and disagree with different aspects of your well thought out post.

One question: How do you know Patsy's wore wigs? tia

4Jacy,
Not so sure I do? I reckon Patsy changing her face but not her clothes must mean the makeup had a function to play?

.

 

[4Jacy]

I have a question and observation. If Patsy murdered JB around the 11:00/12:00 time, wouldn't her eyes have been almost swollen shut from the tears? I know mine would. Did any of these "keystone cops" notice that. It's not something you can hide with make-up.

Again, I believe it was an accident. PR saw JR sexually abusing JBR, bashed what she thought was JB,(remember she only had the mother of all flash lights with her - oh, and the one where all the fingerprints were wiped off the flashlight and batteries, (who does that?)

They realized JBR was dying, and had to stage something to point away from the family.

This "family" sickens me the was they turned this little child into a sex object!

 

[chlban]

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quote=eileenhawkeye;9772227]I Patsy isn't the type who would let people see her being no makeup, in her pajamas, but you would think she would at least put on a different outfit.[/quote

]

While I absolutley believe RDI, this is one piece of the story that has never held much weight to me one way or the other.
I am definitely a clothes horse. However, I have on occasion wore the same thing again the day after the first time I wore it, but only if:

1. I was not seeing the same people (Husband and youg kids would not count on that) Patsy was only getting oh the plane and would see her stepchildren. She did not see them Christmas Day so they would have no idea she had on the same outfit the day before.

2. The outfit was, of course, still clean and hadn't been worn too long the day before. I would not want to feel "grungy" in it.

So the fact that she got up and put on the same outfit the next morning, really proves nothing to me one way or the other. I have on rare occasions done the same and it is not due to a lack of clothing choices. It is also certainly not because I commited a murder or participated in the cover up of one and was up all night with the staging. In fact I think if that were the case I wiould be more, not less, likely to change my clothes.


I still think the RDI for a host of other reasons, I just don't see this particular fact as proving anytihng or even pointing in a particular direction.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

P was questioned thoroughly about her make up in her interwiev 1998

Wish she was made to clean all her blush and foundation to check if any scratches or defensive wounds existed under them..

4 TOM HANEY: So you say you put your
5 makeup on?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: (Nodding.)
7 TOM HANEY: What brands of makeup
8 do you wear?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Different kinds.
10 TOM HANEY: Do you know what it
11 would have been at that time?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably the
13 foundation was probably either Clinique or
14 Chanel, my sister sells Chanel and she has
15 samples of everything. So keeps us in samples
16 (INAUDIBLE). Just guessing, I don't know.
17 TOM HANEY: What did you say this
18 was, the--
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Foundation.
20 TOM HANEY: Foundation. Okay. Are
21 there other things that you put on--
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Blush, lipstick. I
23 probably didn't really do a terrific job. I
24 mean just putting, get a little bit on and go,
25 you know.
0021
1 TOM HANEY: Okay. And how long do
2 you think all that in the bathroom took?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, 20, 30 minutes.
4 TOM HANEY: And what --
5 TRIP DeMUTH: Is that a different
6 brand of blush that you put on? Is that the
7 same Clinique?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I
9 have a draw full of stuff. I don't necessarily
10 use the same, you know, Chanel, Chanel, Chanel,
11 Clinique, Clinique. Just kind of whatever jar
12 is there.
13 TOM HANEY: Okay. Then after that
14 20 or 30 minutes in there, if you just take the
15 marker again and indicate the next place you
16 went?

 

[icedtea4me]

*snip*
0021
1 TOM HANEY: Okay. And how long do
2 you think all that in the bathroom took?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, 20, 30 minutes.
*snip*

18 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay. I awakened
19 that morning, probably somewhere between 5:30
20 and 6. We are going to take off for the airport
21 just at 7, we were going to the lake house. I
22 got up and walked over here to my bathroom right
23 in here.
24 TRIP DeMUTH: I am sorry, I missed
25 what you said, what time you said.
0009
1 PATSY RAMSEY: Sometime
2 between 5:30 and 6 a.m.