Penn State athletic director plus ex-Paterno assistant charged in child rape case #2

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Nov 14 Philadelphia Enquirer

"It will unfold like Watergate," said historian Taylor Branch, who has taken on college sports as his latest project of study in his book The Cartel: Inside the Rise and Imminent Fall of the NCAA.

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At least one other jurisdiction is getting involved. A San Antonio police spokesman confirmed that detectives there were exploring charges against Sandusky for allegedly sexually abusing a boy during trips with Penn State's football team to bowl games in 1998 and 1999.
 
ANYBODY associated with Second Mile should be removed from the investigation or clean up of this mess.

I'm livid right now. I just don't know how to think of the higher thinking university types who actually thought this appointment is a good idea.

NO ONE w/ ties to second mile OR Penn state should be involvd. This is the exact thinking and production that led to sandusky and the whole program to hide the crimes and harbor a pedophile. It is by these facts alone, that sandusky had these ties that allowed him to flourish financially, retire lucuratively and w/ locker room privledges! sandusky has up until last week still roamed the weight room! This is after months of knowing that this GJ indicment was gonna come out! I want to know if and when sandusky has been seen out w/ boys recently.? No way he has let this becoming public knowledge stop him. I'm sure he has boys set up outside the realm of second mile, in preperation of not being able to go thru them any longer.imo

And should'nt this new appointee come right out the box saying he is personally offended w/ the way the university and sandusky have handled themselves. or show some outrage for the boys? If not than it looks like what it is, the same as it ever was. imo

Actually I don't want to hear from anyone that has been apart of either orginaization. I'll stick w/ the Grand Jury and the court proceedings. I am very scared for these vicitms. Every power that be seems to have connection to sandusky thru the university &/or second mile.

And why/how can second mile keep operating?? Just because they pretended to cut ties w/ sandusky? The entire operation seems like a personal front for sandusky.imo

sorry brownrice, just jumping off your post, my anger is soley directed at the school, second mile and sandusky.
 
In connection with Frazier I ask? Who is the retired chairman of Merk&Co?




http://www.smeal.psu.edu/about/advisory/bov/huck.html


That is J lloyd Huck of course. Husband of Dottie Huck who was quoted as saying that Sandusky made a LITTLE mistake. The truly sad part of this is the lady believes just that. She believes it was a little mistake.

These folks with money. These do-gooders are all obviously connected, no?
 
TODAY aired this interview (from years ago) with the accused this morning. JS sounds absolutely giddy when he talks about his love for children. UGH! Makes me sick!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45285321#45285321

Filly thanks for that little nugget you shared about Dottie's hubby being past president of Merck. Those folks sure are an insular bunch, eh? No way should anyone with ties to the PSU or Second Mile be investigating these alleged very serious crimes. They all seem to have a conflict of interest...the Judge, Frazier,etc. There is no way anyone can convince me that such a close knit group of people did not know anything about JS's behavior! MOO

wm
 
Filly thanks for that little nugget you shared about Dottie's hubby being past president of Merck. Those folks sure are an insular bunch, eh? No way should anyone with ties to the PSU or Second Mile be investigating these alleged very serious crimes. They all seem to have a conflict of interest...the Judge, Frazier,etc. There is no way anyone can convince me that such a close knit group of people did not know anything about JS's behavior! MOO

The "ties" are believable because it's an inter-related community but unacceptable. Frazier should be replaced, today. The judge should have punted to another judge. If the board of trustees can't be rid of the ties within its midst...it should go to a total outside committee. I'm really wondering if these folks get it at all. There are many folks in the state capable of doing a fair job of this with no ties to any college-leve insitutions in the state. The perception will be, of course, Frazier volunteered...to protect Second Mile.
 
Filly thanks for that little nugget you shared about Dottie's hubby being past president of Merck. Those folks sure are an insular bunch, eh? No way should anyone with ties to the PSU or Second Mile be investigating these alleged very serious crimes. They all seem to have a conflict of interest...the Judge, Frazier,etc. There is no way anyone can convince me that such a close knit group of people did not know anything about JS's behavior! MOO

The "ties" are believable because it's an inter-related community but unacceptable. Frazier should be replaced, today. The judge should have punted to another judge. If the board of trustees can't be rid of the ties within its midst...it should go to a total outside committee. I'm really wondering if these folks get it at all. There are many folks in the state capable of doing a fair job of this with no ties to any college-leve insitutions in the state. The perception will be, of course, Frazier volunteered...to protect Second Mile.

I agree the board needs to go with an ouside committee..Right now I am also beginning to believe everyone involved unfortunately does "get it" reason being they are allowing those with ties to rule over charges and investigate the claims...JMHO
 
Filly thanks for that little nugget you shared about Dottie's hubby being past president of Merck. Those folks sure are an insular bunch, eh? No way should anyone with ties to the PSU or Second Mile be investigating these alleged very serious crimes. They all seem to have a conflict of interest...the Judge, Frazier,etc. There is no way anyone can convince me that such a close knit group of people did not know anything about JS's behavior! MOO

The "ties" are believable because it's an inter-related community but unacceptable. Frazier should be replaced, today. The judge should have punted to another judge. If the board of trustees can't be rid of the ties within its midst...it should go to a total outside committee. I'm really wondering if these folks get it at all. There are many folks in the state capable of doing a fair job of this with no ties to any college-leve insitutions in the state. The perception will be, of course, Frazier volunteered...to protect Second Mile.

BBM
They get it now. They had become so complacent and relaxed with the idea that Jerry had this little "preference", and everyone looked the other way. If you acknowledge there is a problem, you are then obligated to do something about it. So it became easier to look away. No harm, no foul. BIG mistake. Now they are all under a microscope, and the big, red shiny apple is cut open and it's full of rot and worms. And this is just the beginning. Think of the most outrageous thing you can imagine, and it's probably going to be the case. We all need to be prepared to be shocked repeatedly.

I surely hope there is a fair person to be found in all this mess. And I have the sickening feeling that Penn State is not alone in this. Other institutions are going to be scrutinized more closely. I fear for what might be found.
 
And I have the sickening feeling that Penn State is not alone in this. Other institutions are going to be scrutinized more closely. I fear for what might be found.
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I think that some are quaking in their boots. Let's hope that dealing with "this scandal" isn't confined just to Penn State, because it has and does exist now in other institutions.
 
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I think that some are quaking in their boots. Let's hope now that dealing with "this scandal" isn't confined just to Penn State, because it has and does exist now in other institutions.

Specifically to what scandal at other institutions do you refer? .
 
The Citidel for one. Wondering about Notre Dame, Boston College...

Yes, the Citadel, certainly. But I'm a bit worried at this point about tarring with the same PSU brush other academic institutions.
 
Filly thanks for that little nugget you shared about Dottie's hubby being past president of Merck. Those folks sure are an insular bunch, eh? No way should anyone with ties to the PSU or Second Mile be investigating these alleged very serious crimes. They all seem to have a conflict of interest...the Judge, Frazier,etc. There is no way anyone can convince me that such a close knit group of people did not know anything about JS's behavior! MOO

The "ties" are believable because it's an inter-related community but unacceptable. Frazier should be replaced, today. The judge should have punted to another judge. If the board of trustees can't be rid of the ties within its midst...it should go to a total outside committee. I'm really wondering if these folks get it at all. There are many folks in the state capable of doing a fair job of this with no ties to any college-leve insitutions in the state. The perception will be, of course, Frazier volunteered...to protect Second Mile.

I agree justathought! Frazier needs to go immediately! IMO. And so does that judge who is a SM volunteer. She was discussed in one of Today's videos this am. JMO but she has demonstrated that she cannot be objective by the joke of the unsecured 100,000 bond she gave him when the SA asked for 500,000 bond and a monitoring bracelet for JS. But what does she do? She allows an accused child rapist/predator monster to walk free to do as he darn well pleases while waiting for a hearing next month! Unbelievable!
The more I learn the more disgusted and sick I feel.

Personal story here.....I had a boss when I worked at the phone company who was a child molesting monster. My gut about him was correct all along. He dressed flamboyantly, his little sports car was decked out in the back window with TN football memoriabilia...pompoms, footballs, you name it. He was youth minister at church and sang in a gospel group. He had an adopted son in TN from whom he was estranged, he had never been married. He would become absolutely giddy with a twinkle in his eyes during training meetings when I and another rep discussed our sons. He was especially attentive when my 15 yr old son visited me at work one day. My hinky meter was off the charts about this guy but it was just my gut instinct and I had no proof of anything.

Well, a few months after I left the company and retruned to teaching, this guy was charged and eventually convicted for raping and sodomizing two little boys who were in his youth group at church. He had a sleepover at his home for these two brothers which is where the crime occured. One of the boys was damaged and needed medical attention and told the parents, who reported the rapist to the police. The monster is now serving 30 plus years in state prison.

Sorry for going off topic but I just had to get that off my chest. Monsters live among us but they keep that side of their personalities a secret from the general public. No one at work thought the monster was capable of doing such a thing (except for me) but he did! All parents, heck society in general, need to educate themselves on child predators and the tactics they use to gain trust and groom their victims and the families.

Someone on another message board highly recommended a book..........

Predators, Pedophiles, Rapists and other Sex Offenders by Anna C. Salter, PhD

I am hoping to read it if Santa brings me a Kindle for Christmas;)

All MOO

wm
 
We cannot allow one institution's corruption to become a witch hunt in which other institutions are assumed, sans evidence, to be likewise corrupt.

I see no smoke where others are proclaiming fire.
 
I agree with your point wfg-but iirc the Citadel made it's statement yesterday because the media was digging.

I suspect that the media is going to start cross referencing offenders, past and present, claims etc and match them up with colleges and universities.

Frankly, I wish they would do this with physicians as well, but I am O/T.

This was how the Catholic Church sexual abuse issues came to light, and I dont see this as anything different. fwiw.

I realize that there are wonderful coaches, wonderful priests, wonderful teachers etc and that they far outweigh the number of people who prey on children.

But IF the charges are proven against Sandusky, he is a classic predator. And predators go where children are. What scares me about Sandusky is that he profited from his "playground." He started a charity that allowed him to reach some incredibly vulnerable children-he traded on his name and trustworthieness as a public figure to groom and rape these kids.

His actions appear to have been enabled by a number of other public figures.

It makes sense to me that there are more like him out there associated with high profile organizations that give predators access to children and young adults. JMVHO.
 
I agree with your point wfg-but iirc the Citadel made it's statement yesterday because the media was digging.

I suspect that the media is going to start cross referencing offenders, past and present, claims etc and match them up with colleges and universities.

Frankly, I wish they would do this with physicians as well, but I am O/T.

This was how the Catholic Church sexual abuse issues came to light, and I dont see this as anything different. fwiw.

I realize that there are wonderful coaches, wonderful priests, wonderful teachers etc and that they far outweigh the number of people who prey on children.

But IF the charges are proven against Sandusky, he is a classic predator. And predators go where children are. What scares me about Sandusky is that he profited from his "playground." He started a charity that allowed him to reach some incredibly vulnerable children-he traded on his name and trustworthieness as a public figure to groom and rape these kids.

His actions appear to have been enabled by a number of other public figures.

It makes sense to me that there are more like him out there associated with high profile organizations that give predators access to children and young adults. JMVHO.

I agree wholeheartedly, and hope that investigative media do probe any- and everything related to this case.

On the first thread, I believe I was the first one to post and provide links to speculation about what may be a larger issue with Second Mile - the money-donor/pedophile question. So far, though, we've heard nothing, and I'm beginning to get a bit nervous about perhaps having encouraged a witch hunt myself. Mea culpa if so.
 
The last thing the historian says in that interview..."He ruined Penn State". Not a word about the kids.

Yep Camille, I noticed that too. Not a word about how he RUINED the lives of his victims.

Do any PA residents know if there is a Child Services booklet regarding reporting child abuse in the public libraries or school libraries?

There is a copy in every public school library in the state of NC. Everything is spelled out wrt reporters and one can call in and report and anonymous tip to Social Services. I worked for the county school system and IMO, the booklet should be required reading for every employee.

I was required to report to my supervisor and it was out of my hands from there. But I took comfort in knowing that I could call in an anonymous tip if I needed to. (I never had to)

Now that the ugly reality of this is out there, I think it is a good opportunity to bring awareness to this 'forbidden' subject. With knowlege comes power.
The victims, their families and we as a society need to empower ourselves and advocate education on this sensitive subject.

My heart is broken for the victims who were just little boys and I admire them for taking a stand now that they are young men. They are the heroes here for coming forward to prevent this horror from happening to other young innocents!

MOO

wm
 
Why don't the celebrities who are millionaires put their money into ending child sexual abuse?
 
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