Penn State Sandusky cover-up: AD arrested, Paterno fired, dies; cover-up charged #8

[StellarsJay]

Needs a medical on Dottie- perhaps she does booze or pills or disassociation or a dozen other ways to tune life out.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

This is another article about the federal investigation but it had a few points that made it a little clearer to me:

Sandusky federal investigation may have different focus
From Sara Ganim, for CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/02/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-investigation/index.html?hpt=ju_c2

Thank you. This is scary.

 

[Reader]

Thank you. This is scary.

The big guns have arrived for sure...Just for the NCAA stuff, I remember for the last big FSU scandal (test cheating) before Bobby Bowden was pushed out, they took away something like 14 wins, including a bowl win IIRC, couple of people charged, some players disqualified.

 

[pinktoes]

Yesterday another college newspaper complimented the PSU Daily Collegian for immediately editorializing (once mainstream media had broken the Sandusky news)about the moral failure of university leaders. However, that paper went on to ponder the failure of college papers generally to conduct investigative journalism. (A failure many of us have noticed in the MSM)

"Nevertheless, a question remains: Where was the Collegian for all those years while Sandusky was committing crimes, and Penn State was covering them up?"

http://www.michigandaily.com/opinion/public-editor-breaking-news


So, I have what seems a very trivial question: what did people around campus make of the "sandusky sundae" served at The Creamery (a concoction appearing to be full-blown male genitalia)?

Did no one notice? Really? What interpretation was made? Did Sandusky ever purchase that sundae for minor children he took to the Creamery? And no staff, surely in on the joke, commented to others around campus or town about that?

Or, was it another case of everyone-suspected, jeez--even the on-campus ice cream shop "knew". Same as the gossip in the barbershop across the street.

No way could I have restrained myself from getting a photo of the new Sandusky sundae in the campus newspaper. And making sure PSU administration saw it. And Sara Ganim. Oh wait, they all "knew" already. They were just waiting for the wheels of justice to catch up??

 

[J. J. in Phila]

So, I have what seems a very trivial question: what did people around campus make of the "sandusky sundae" served at The Creamery (a concoction appearing to be full-blown male genitalia)?

I think you are reading way too much into ice cream. This is like saying "Cherry Garcia" means that the Grateful Dead guitarist raped young girls.

I also think that the Sandusky reference was to the flavor of the ice cream.

 

[pinktoes]

I think you are reading way too much into ice cream. This is like saying "Cherry Garcia" means that the Grateful Dead guitarist raped young girls.

I also think that the Sandusky reference was to the flavor of the ice cream.

I don't understand what you mean. I know what the flavor of the ice cream was. I didn't read into that what others apparently have: it was banana (some said: a phallic symbol); with chocolate covered nuts (male testicles).

I'm talking about the photo spread around the web of how the Sandusky sundae appeared, when that flavor was served in sundae form. Didn't you see it? Complete male genitalia on a plate. I'm old enough to recognize that allusion when I see it. And so did most everyone else--which was my point. He was a laughing stock, behind covered mouths, for something--and I think we all know what--long before he was charged by the Commonwealth.

 

[Reader]

Prosecutors don't want to release all requested Sandusky evidence

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/05/3114336/prosecutors-dont-want-to-release.html

BELLEFONTE — Prosecutors have told a judge they will not release certain evidence to Jerry Sandusky's defense attorney.

In a pre-trial discovery matter filed this morning, prosecutors said grand jury matters, ongoing investigations, irrelevant personal information and psychological evaluations of the accusers are not subject to discovery. The items were among those requested by the defense in a motion to compel filed last month.

As part of the discovery process, prosecutors had turned over police reports and other documents with lines or even full pages blacked out.

But Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, wanted the full versions without the markings. He also sought psychological records on the accusers, photographs taken from The Second Mile, and grand jury subpoenas. He said Monday he's reviewing the prosecution's response.

Among the items the prosecution will turn over are Sandusky's employment records with Penn State, a document that references investigators obtaining 52,220 emails, and a state police report that references "linking alleged behavior."

Prosecutors said the photos can be seen by making arrangements through state police. The defense was also told to make an appointment with state police to review the items taken from Sandusky's house in June.

In addition, prosecutors said they don't have any documents from then-District Attorney Ray Gricar from the 1998 investigation into Sandusky showering with a young boy.


More at link....

 

[Rlaub44]

I don't understand what you mean. I know what the flavor of the ice cream was. I didn't read into that what others apparently have: it was banana (some said: a phallic symbol); with chocolate covered nuts (male testicles).

I'm talking about the photo spread around the web of how the Sandusky sundae appeared, when that flavor was served in sundae form. Didn't you see it? Complete male genitalia on a plate. I'm old enough to recognize that allusion when I see it. And so did most everyone else--which was my point. He was a laughing stock, behind covered mouths, for something--and I think we all know what--long before he was charged by the Commonwealth.

Not that any of this matters to the case at hand, but I am not convinced that the photo that made the rounds was an honest depiction of Sandusky Blitz.

The picture, as can be seen here http://thebiglead.com/index.php/201...s-a-banana-flavored-jerry-sandusky-ice-cream/
was shown by Rush Limbaugh and was suggested to be the actual presentation of the ice cream named for Sandusky, but a few things don't match.

The picture shows two scoops that are obviously different flavors of ice cream, but Sandusky Blitz wasn't a sundae, it was a banana-flavored ice cream with chocolate covered peanuts and a caramel swirl, so even if there was any variation in the color, it wouldn't appear as two completely different scoops.

Also, the picture shows a blue ceramic bowl, but all of the pictures I can find of authentic Berkey Creamery ice cream shows it served in either styrofoam dishes or disposable white plastic bowls.

Like I said, it has nothing to do with the case against this , but this photo is being offered in the web as more "proof" of how the entire Penn State community knowingly looked the other way, and I would just recommend some caution in buying into this picture's authenticity.

 

[pinktoes]

So, Limbaugh allows things to be misrepresented on his show? Who'd a thunk it!

It has also occurred to me that maybe ALL the sundaes are in that style of presentation. IDK.

But I know that one defining feature of humans is their use of symbolism. Give us a blank slate, and we assign meaning to it. Whether it's a flag, a team mascot, an avatar--or an ice cream.

And I still say there was some symbolizing going on at that Creamery when they chose that ice cream and/or its presentation as a sundae.

Maybe the person charged with that responsibility thought Sandusky was a bit nutso. So, he used common symbols to represent that: "bananas" and "nuts".

More importantly to me, I've now heard enough from the local community, whether it be about ice cream; about the gossip at the hair salon across the street; or about "knowledge" about Sandusky within coaching staff or players at other schools--enough, in toto, to suggest strongly to me that there are a lot of people within the broader community who were not surprised at his legal troubles.

I know some janitorial staff discussed it. And probably quietly discussed it with family/friends. Knowing how well secrets are kept by confidantes, well--"knowledge" was spread.

Sandusky groomed a community the way he groomed his victims. But the big news didn't catch everyone by complete surprise. Let's not act like only witnesses, administrators informed by witnesses, and LE or prosecutors had any clue.

BTW, if anyone finds out how Ronald Heichel is related to Lisa Madeira, I'd love to know. I'm trying to figure out why Mike Madeira claimed the possibility of a perceived conflict of interest that led him to refer the Sandusky matter elsewhere (based on the fact that Matt Heichel Sandusky is Lisa's brother). And yet did not think there might be a similar conflict when he was prosecuting Ronald Heichel in the Samuel Boob murder.

I'm thinking, so was Ronald maybe "merely" a half-brother, or even a step-brother to Lisa Madeira??)

 

[pinktoes]

I think I posted this same link upstream here, but repeating to show that Madeira did start the Heichel/Boob prosecution:

Murder charges
Mirinda Boob, Ronald Heichel headed to court in man’s death
September 17, 2009
By SCOTT JOHNSON - [email protected]

"Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira is representing the Commonwealth. Miranda Boob, 27, is being represented by private attorney Edward Blanarik.

Public Defender Casey McClain is representing Heichel, 29, of Bellefonte."

from:
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/512981.html

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I think I posted this same link upstream here, but repeating to show that Madeira did start the Heichel/Boob prosecution:

Murder charges
Mirinda Boob, Ronald Heichel headed to court in man’s death
September 17, 2009
By SCOTT JOHNSON - [email protected]

"Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira is representing the Commonwealth. Miranda Boob, 27, is being represented by private attorney Edward Blanarik.

Public Defender Casey McClain is representing Heichel, 29, of Bellefonte."

from:
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/512981.html

Starting it, and prosecuting it, are two different things. The case wouldn't be tried until after January 2010. By the time it would have gone to trial, Madeira (had he been reelected) might have handed off to the AG's Office. There is also the question of what, if any, contact, his wife had with this relative.

There is also the jurisdictional issue; the case was reported in another county.

I am very critical of MTM's conduct in office, overall, but this is one decision I'll praise him for.

 

[Pensfan]

I don't understand what you mean. I know what the flavor of the ice cream was. I didn't read into that what others apparently have: it was banana (some said: a phallic symbol); with chocolate covered nuts (male testicles).

I'm talking about the photo spread around the web of how the Sandusky sundae appeared, when that flavor was served in sundae form. Didn't you see it? Complete male genitalia on a plate. I'm old enough to recognize that allusion when I see it. And so did most everyone else--which was my point. He was a laughing stock, behind covered mouths, for something--and I think we all know what--long before he was charged by the Commonwealth.

(politely stated) There was never a Sandusky phallic symbol ice cream sundae at Penn State's Creamery.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155320&page=24

 

[Pensfan]

Or out or in a distant part of the house where the sound wouldn't travel.

I'm in Devil's Advocate mode.

We will, sadly, learn this info. when all the hideous details are finally revealed. I speculate that she knew. We will have indirect proof if/when? we learn that she personally bought some of the "grooming gifts" that Jerry gave to the boys who were taking her place in the basement "bedroom".

 

[J. J. in Phila]

We will, sadly, learn this info. when all the hideous details are finally revealed. I speculate that she knew. We will have indirect proof if/when? we learn that she personally bought some of the "grooming gifts" that Jerry gave to the boys who were taking her place in the basement "bedroom".

She may not have realized they were "grooming gifts." JS might have waited until she was out of the house.

 

[Reader]

Judge schedules a pre-trial Sandusky hearing for Monday

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/...-sandusky.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop

A judge has scheduled a hearing for Monday to address Jerry Sandusky’s request for specific details about the charges of child abuse against him.

The hearing will be at 11 a.m. in the Centre County Courthouse Annex at the corner of High and Allegheny streets. The scheduling was ordered this morning by Senior Judge John Cleland........

Sandusky’s attorney, Joe Amendola, is asking for the exact time, date and location of each of the 52 allegations as well as how old the accusers were at the time. His request is for a "bill of particulars.

More at link...

 

[Pensfan]

She may not have realized they were "grooming gifts." JS might have waited until she was out of the house.

If she purchased expensive, numerous, and/or inappropriate gifts for these indigent/needy preteen boys, we will have a strong clue if she knew the gift's real purpose. Some of these boys might have actually needed winter gloves and warm winter coats, but that is probably not what they were given.

It will also be interesting to see if she had knowledge of the savings accounts Jerry established for one or more (?) of the boys frequenting her basement and traveling with Jerry.

 

[Reader]

She may not have realized they were "grooming gifts." JS might have waited until she was out of the house.

I will say one thing...I can't wait for this trial so we can find out what the boys/men testify about concerning Dottie...whether she was present, did not know, must have known or did know what was going on, how she treated and interacted with them, their opinions of her, if any of that is allowed.

And think of the numbers of abused and the length of time...15 YEARS that we know of and all this happening right in her own home, over and over.

If she didn't know, she has to be one of the most naive, most well groomed, most stupid, most blind-sided people I've ever heard of....

 

[Pensfan]

Judge schedules a pre-trial Sandusky hearing for Monday

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/...-sandusky.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop

A judge has scheduled a hearing for Monday to address Jerry Sandusky’s request for specific details about the charges of child abuse against him.

The hearing will be at 11 a.m. in the Centre County Courthouse Annex at the corner of High and Allegheny streets. The scheduling was ordered this morning by Senior Judge John Cleland........

Sandusky’s attorney, Joe Amendola, is asking for the exact time, date and location of each of the 52 allegations as well as how old the accusers were at the time. His request is for a "bill of particulars.

More at link...

What crap! Many of these boys experienced ongoing sexual abuse by Jerry. Children cannot be expected to provide all the exact dates/times of ongoing sexual abuse. Jerry was giving alcohol to one or more of these boys which clearly could have impaired their memories of precise dates/times. Most of the boys likely tried to block such horrific memories which also would have impaired their recall of precise dates/times.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

If she purchased expensive, numerous, and/or inappropriate gifts for these indigent/needy preteen boys, we will have a strong clue if she knew the gift's real purpose. Some of these boys might have actually needed winter gloves and warm winter coats, but that is probably not what they were given.

I certainly would not consider sports gear to be inappropriate.

It will also be interesting to see if she had knowledge of the savings accounts Jerry established for one or more (?) of the boys frequenting her basement and traveling with Jerry.

Likewise, establishing an account for a child, as family friends did for me after I was just born, would be inappropriate.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I will say one thing...I can't wait for this trial so we can find out what the boys/men testify about concerning Dottie...whether she was present, did not know, must have known or did know what was going on, how she treated and interacted with them, their opinions of her, if any of that is allowed.

And think of the numbers of abused and the length of time...15 YEARS that we know of and all this happening right in her own home, over and over.

If she didn't know, she has to be one of the most naive, most well groomed, most stupid, most blind-sided people I've ever heard of....

I could say that about any woman whose husband cheated on her.

Sandusky was a master of hiding the truth as are numerous child molesters.