Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #4

[Pensfan]

Peter Hyatt (Statement Analysis) will flip over this:

Lawyer Joe Amendola told ABC News that Victim 1 reacted against Sandusky's demands that the boy work harder to achieve his goals. "When you push and they don't want you to," Amendola said, "they react.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state...felt-important/story?id=15007125#.Tsx_781fqeY

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Umm.....how many decades long was this "rush", mister lawyer manz?

Ah, maybe because he admitted some of it in front of 2 cops and the victim's mother.

 

[mahmoo]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/s...l-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

From your link.....

The friend walked a few blocks to the boy’s house, and soon a man pulled up in a silver Cadillac sedan. “This is Jerry,” the boy said to his friend. The friend said he recognized Sandusky as the man who would occasionally pick up the boy early from school. Sandusky, according to the friend, then picked up another child and suggested that the four of them all go swimming.

The friend said he did not have a swimsuit. Sandusky, he recalled, said not to worry — he kept spare trunks for boys in his car. At the hotel, the friend said, the four of them changed into their swimsuits.

In the pool, Sandusky instigated a game of touch football, the friend said.

Great article everyone needs to take the time to read.
b&ubm

 

[Reader]

Peter Hyatt (Statement Analysis) will flip over this:

Lawyer Joe Amendola told ABC News that Victim 1 reacted against Sandusky's demands that the boy work harder to achieve his goals. "When you push and they don't want you to," Amendola said, "they react.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state...felt-important/story?id=15007125#.Tsx_781fqeY

geez...does he even realize what he's saying?

Keep talkin' lawyer...you're a lot of help...to the prosecutors!

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Ironically, I've vaguely familiar with Mr. Amendola's record, and he's had a lot of successes.

 

[LRinCA]

Less than 60 days ago.

From your link:

"that involve current children" :furious:

 

[LRinCA]

Regarding the campus ban on Sandusky's presence following the 2002 shower incident:

much more, with pictures of the event also, at link below:

Small 2011 PSU Event: Sandusky, Curley, Spanier (sportsbybrooks.com)

Re: those photos - I found that series about a week ago and there was another photo that really raised my eyebrow(s). I'm going to look for it right now because I don't see it in that group. I can't remember the name I was looking for at that point but I saved a screenshot for future reference.

 

[LRinCA]

Here it is. At what appears to be the same wrestling event.

PHOTO:

http://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.o...25&PHPSESSID=1d69192e4b89708840768f38de971e1a


And from an old article:

"Officer Darrell Zaccagni's voice takes on the air of urgency as he gets to the meat of his story, the part where Ray Gricar stops being an aloof acquaintance and becomes the main focus of his job."

(It's from a copied/pasted article at a website/message board)

[ame="http://officialcoldcaseinvestigations.com/showthread.php?t=1806"]District Attorney Ray Frank Gricar - Cold Case Investigations[/ame]


also -


Zaccagni says initially, suicide seemed likely because Gricar’s behavior had changed, according to his girlfriend, Patty.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12756052/ns/dateline_nbc/t/missing-district-attorney/#.TsyYmHNp2jY

 

[LRinCA]

This article has a rare comment about Sandusky’s wife’s activities. While Sandusky was romancing indigent little boys with swimming and later with video games at his home one evening, Sarge (Jerry Sandusty's nickname for his wife) was chatting with a female friend that was visiting her.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/s...l-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

From your link to the NY Times article:

Sure. So everyone is supposed to believe Sandusky's word but doubt his victims' words.

Amendola said Sandusky once spent a night alone in a hotel room with the boy during a trip sponsored by Second Mile. But he insisted he had paid for a pull-out cot in the hotel room, and that he had turned over receipts to investigators to prove it.


I have no doubt he paid for a pull-out cot. After all, he was a quasi-expert at covering up his obsession.

 

[Concerned Papa]

You know something that really bothers me about all of this party affair? I looked at each person and each face in every picture in this article. Here's a room full of people who probably bleed Penn State blue. Several of them are probably parents, possibly of 10 year old boys. They are in the same room with a pervert, accused of raping little boys, who is also likely to inflict enormous damage to the university they love as well.

Why are they all smiling? Why doesn't someone look like they're pizzed off? I'm not necessarily saying someone should have beat the crap out of his sorry azz like I would have, but how in the hell are they having such a grand ole time? Sandusky is grinning from ear to ear as if HE were the guest of honor or something.

I just don't understand.

I went through all 63 pics at this link and FINALLY found someone like I was talking about above.

http://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.o...33&PHPSESSID=1d69192e4b89708840768f38de971e1a

Mr. Bell's expression and gesture seem to scream "THROW DA BUM OUTTA HERE!".

Possibly a man after my own heart.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I just noticed this gal. She's got a cocktail in her left hand and looks like she's telling this guy "Either YOU get his sorry azz out of here or I'll put a right cross up side his head that'll put his lights out!"

I think I'm in love.......

 

[Concerned Papa]

"Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public...........despite any moral or legal obligation to do so."

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleg..._psu_football_discipline_in_spotlight/?page=1

Joe Paterno started the 21st century with four losing seasons in five years and faced growing calls for his dismissal. IMO, considering the pressure he was already under in 2002, after being made aware of what McQueary witnessed in the team shower, fulfilling his moral obligation of protecting the child was neglected and covered up to protect his own interest and $1,000,000.00 per year salary.

The boy was only TEN YEARS OLD, Joe. :furious:

 

[concentric]

Well it's about time the focus is also on the high school:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...-mother_n_1108979.html?ref=penn-state-scandal

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Re: The above news article

I want to say thank you to the victim, the victim's mom (who never gave up), the fired track coach, the few intrepid investigative reporters who are getting the real story, the websleuths and other people similarly concerned with getting to the truth.

I am very aware, painfully so, that there are some real rotten apples in school system who will try to cover their sorry azzes by very deviously throwing any, victims, "underlings" or "troublesome" parents under the bus in order to preserve their tenuous employment. Hope you have a happy thanksgiving. I am thoroughly disgusted. May the Lord find you out.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Peter Hyatt (Statement Analysis) will flip over this:

Lawyer Joe Amendola told ABC News that Victim 1 reacted against Sandusky's demands that the boy work harder to achieve his goals. "When you push and they don't want you to," Amendola said, "they react.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state...felt-important/story?id=15007125#.Tsx_781fqeY

Like I said, keep on talking mr. lawyer manz. You'll hang the freak yourself.

 

[concentric]

We still haven't heard about any computers seized. Or am I wrong about that? How many computers and their data would have been implicated in this case? I am almost certain that there are other employees in other institutions who will have shared interests with Sandusky and would have hosted, shared, encouraged and covered for the perp.

Who was/is blocking the investigation into the computer data? Or, does someone have that already safeguarded? What happened to Mr. Ray Gricar's data? Was it really lost in the river?

So many unanswered questions.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Who was/is blocking the investigation into the computer data? Or, does someone have that already safeguarded? What happened to Mr. Roy Gricar's data? Was it really lost in the river?

It is Ray Gricar. (RFG)

It would be hugely unlikely for the data to be exclusively on that laptop. RFG didn't own it in 1998.

There is no file in the DA's Office, according to CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/18/acd.02.html That might be too unusual, since either they didn't keep paperwork on rejected cases, or that the files might have been purged after a certain period of time.

 

[Quiche]

The "ban" was "unenforceable" which I still DO NOT understand that excuse. I am waiting patiently for someone with PS (or any legal entity) to explain why that 'ban" was NOT enforceable :waitasec:.

I do know the answer to this, I read it last week some time in an article that explained Sandusky retired as a professor emeritus and access to the facilities is part and parcel of those benefits. They'd have to go in and revoke his privileges via that method-- a lengthy complicated one. Of course, the University can limit the children's access, and I hope they have.

But, he'll be in prison soon and that'll do it.

moo

 

[concentric]

It is Ray Gricar. (RFG)

It would be hugely unlikely for the data to be exclusively on that laptop. RFG didn't own it in 1998.

There is no file in the DA's Office, according to CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/18/acd.02.html That might be too unusual, since either they didn't keep paperwork on rejected cases, or that the files might have been purged after a certain period of time.

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Sorry. I had a typographical error, put an o instead of an a. Sorry. I corrected my error, but apparently did not get it resolved in time.

Still think that the data on Mr. Gricar's computer was important to this case.

 

[concentric]

When I think of "vulnerable children," and coverups, I have to refer to this:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Pia_child_sexual_abuse_scandal"]Casa Pia child sexual abuse scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The scandal broke in September 2002 when the mother of one alleged victim, known as Joel, complained of abuse by staff at a Casa Pia house.[1]
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Just wait, there is a case of a school for deaf children in the U.S. where they were sexually abused. Also, we will be hearing about other cases in the U.S. that have never been adequately investigated.

 

[Pensfan]

We still haven't heard about any computers seized. Or am I wrong about that? How many computers and their data would have been implicated in this case? I am almost certain that there are other employees in other institutions who will have shared interests with Sandusky and would have hosted, shared, encouraged and covered for the perp.

Who was/is blocking the investigation into the computer data? Or, does someone have that already safeguarded? What happened to Mr. Ray Gricar's data? Was it really lost in the river?

So many unanswered questions.

IMO, it is likely that we will soon read that Second Mile had a massive computer system overhaul years ago which required them to get all new computers (read: the administrators' hard drives experienced tragic accidents which involved a hammer).

So far we have heard that Sandusky paid for hotels, food, clothing, sports equipment, and computers for his victims. We read he was calling one child long distance, so he likely had a sizable long distance phone bill to several little boys.

It would be interesting to know who was approving Sandusky's expenses. Anyone want to bet these are the records that are missing?

I want to know if Second Mile's CEO, Dr. Jack Raykovitz (a PhD child psychologist who definitely had the knowledge to recognize a pedophile's behavior) approved of Sandusky's expenses. It is possible that Sandusky paid for some of his dating/grooming expenses out of his own personal income.

One of Dottie's good friends needs to strongly encourage her to tell the police what she suspected her husband of doing and why she suspected him. Dottie's adult children need her to exhibit the highest moral behavior now. Although her adult children will forever be tainted by the sickening child rapes that their dad committed, they should not have to feel more shame by any coverup by their mom.