Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #4

[LRinCA]

I think you have to remember that for more than the last 40 years, she could use the facilities. That is a 40 year habit that will be difficult to break in a week.

What if you were doing something for 40 years, still physically could, but found out you were suddenly not permitted. I can her making that mistake, very easily.

I think you've mistaken my words as criticism of Sue Paterno. They aren't. I said I can't imagine myself doing it but then again, I have not lived Sue Paterno's life.

If you look at the body of my comments about Sue Paterno I think you'll see that I am very sympathetic to her situation and in fact, feel quite badly for her.

 

[LRinCA]

I guess it's ok he only sought out some of them. Sounds like a confession to me.

And his sick way of rationalizing his actions.

 

[FloatingStar]

I think you have to remember that for more than the last 40 years, she could use the facilities. That is a 40 year habit that will be difficult to break in a week.

What if you were doing something for 40 years, still physically could, but found out you were suddenly not permitted. I can her making that mistake, very easily.

You may be right, but that's not how I would think about it. If I or my spouse had been fired, and especially because there was such an sting in being brought down from such a 'royally' high position, I would be intensely aware of the various ramifications. I would focus on or quickly find out through lawyers exactly what that meant related to my income, rights, and privileges.

So I get the slight intuition that this event was a calculated appeal for pity with the implication that in general the family (and Paterno) should not have been treated so poorly. Especially since the article appears only to rely on an anonymous, indirect source.

The whole thing certainly seems a terrible tragedy for the Paterno family. And perhaps my interpretations are biased by something common to so many people's reactions to the scandal: unconscious hostility to the rich and privileged because with their high-priced lawyers they seem to be able to even get away murder (or in this example, connivance that allows peers to rape and abuse children).

 

[twinkiesmom]

"The allegations are ridiculous and unfounded. Jerry has absolutely denied any inappropriate contact with his grandkids," Amendola told ABC News.


This stood out to me for some reason.

Anyone else?

It's the use of the past tense rather than "Jerry absolutely denies any inappropriate contact with his grandkids."

Using past tense, he could have denied it in the past, but does he still deny it now?

 

[FloatingStar]

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which finds the link Love, sex, and marriage: a historical thesaurus - Page 70
where a definition states that horseplay is one of the euphemisms for "the act of giving sexual caresses."

In google.books.com, use the search terms: Cassells "horse around"
which finds the link Cassell's dictionary of slang - Page 741 where the second definition of "horse around" is "2 [1920s+] (US) to make sexual advances to, to indulge in sexual horseplay."

In google.books.com, use the search terms: 1920s+ horseplay "dry rub"
which finds the link Cassell's dictionary of slang - Page 455 where the definition of "dry rub" is " v. 1 [late 19C] to beat severely. 2 [1950s+] (US gay) to wrestle or engage in similar 'horseplay' with strong homosexual overtones.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

You may be right, but that's not how I would think about it. If I or my spouse had been fired, and especially because there was such an sting in being brought down from such a 'royally' high position, I would be intensely aware of the various ramifications. I would focus on or quickly find out through lawyers exactly what that meant related to my income, rights, and privileges.

They said Harry Truman had a string of traffic accidents, all minor, after he left the White House. As president, he could ignore traffic laws, but he was so use to doing it, he'd have problems as a private citizen. http://books.google.com/books?id=DM...BA#v=onepage&q="Harry truman" traffic&f=false

She had these privileges since before I was born, literally. I can understand a few weeks of transition, especially since this is less than a month old and the stunning circumstances. I can understand a faux pas like this.

And a happy Thanksgiving to all.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I think you've mistaken my words as criticism of Sue Paterno. They aren't. I said I can't imagine myself doing it but then again, I have not lived Sue Paterno's life.

If you look at the body of my comments about Sue Paterno I think you'll see that I am very sympathetic to her situation and in fact, feel quite badly for her.

Yes, I did mistake them for criticism. Sorry.

In the circumstances, I can understand her missing this. I'm more interested in understanding than in being sympathetic. It is the curmudgeon in me.

And a Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[Rlaub44]

They said Harry Truman had a string of traffic accidents, all minor, after he left the White House. As president, he could ignore traffic laws, but he was so use to doing it, he'd have problems as a private citizen. http://books.google.com/books?id=DM...BA#v=onepage&q="Harry truman" traffic&f=false

She had these privileges since before I was born, literally. I can understand a few weeks of transition, especially since this is less than a month old and the stunning circumstances. I can understand a faux pas like this.

And a happy Thanksgiving to all.

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, J.J.

Remember also that Penn State's facilities are available for public use, so there would be no reason for her to think she had to be the wife of the current football coach to swim there. I can, as an alum, but so can anyone as a paying citizen. SuePa committed no crime, and should have every right to use the PSU pools, just like she can eat at the Creamery or attend a wrestling match at Rec Hall.

I know this story was picked up by AP, but in light of the posted pool schedule, I just don't know how much credence to lend it.

 

[Concerned Papa]

~Respectfully Snipped For Comment~

I get the slight intuition that this event was a calculated appeal for pity with the implication that in general the family (and Paterno) should not have been treated so poorly. Especially since the article appears only to rely on an anonymous, indirect source.

I don't know what to make of this pool story exactly. It's difficult to believe that a public facility would turn away Mrs. Paterno.

A calculated appeal for sympathy? I can't help but wonder, particularly, in light of the public relations firm JoePa recently hired.

For crisis communications and public relations advice, he’s (Paterno) hired Dan McGinn of TMG Strategies, based in Clarendon, VA.

“His brand and image are tarnished, but everybody’s image can be rebuilt.”

http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/21537.html

 

[eve]

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, J.J.

Remember also that Penn State's facilities are available for public use, so there would be no reason for her to think she had to be the wife of the current football coach to swim there. I can, as an alum, but so can anyone as a paying citizen. SuePa committed no crime, and should have every right to use the PSU pools, just like she can eat at the Creamery or attend a wrestling match at Rec Hall.

I know this story was picked up by AP, but in light of the posted pool schedule, I just don't know how much credence to lend it.

I'd be using doggie treats to make my dog go to the mailbox if I were Sue Paterno right now. Just sayin. No way I would be ready to go anywhere.

Eve

 

[Waupalani St.]

Sandusky entered the lives of the Longs as a mentor when Matt was 10 years old, via The Second Mile charity for at-risk youth, which the former Penn State defensive coordinator founded. When Matt was placed in juvenile hall after he set fire to a barn in 1995, he soon entered the Sandusky home as a foster child. He was adopted by Sandusky as an adult at age 18.
Matt Sandusky, now 33, is not named as one of the 10 victims in the grand jury presentment outlining the charges against the coach. He insists he was not abused by his foster father.
But Debra Long says that the once-welcome Sandusky soon became a source of fear for her son, as he would take the boy out of school when he was 15 years old, unbeknownst to her.
"My son was afraid of Jerry. If Jerry said don't talk, he didn't talk. I would sit back and watch when Jerry would show up, how excited Matt was," she said. "And then, as time went on, I would watch the same kid hide behind the bedroom door and say, 'Mom, tell him I'm not home.'"
Long believes that exposure to Sandusky was what made her once-quiet son lash out, and eventually fall into the coach's hands.
"It wasn't until Jerry came into the picture that Matt started acting out in school. Matt ended up burning down a barn with another youth, you know -- it wasn't until Jerry came into the picture … that mentor turned him from the quiet, good kid into -- what Jerry could use to take him."
Four months after moving into the Sandusky's home Matt attempted suicide, along with another girl who was staying in the house, according to a report in the Patriot-News. After the suicide attempt, Terry L. Trude, a school-based probation officer, wrote a letter to a local judge asking that Matt's care at the Sandusky home be reviewed.
"The probation department has some serious concerns about the juvenile's safety and his current progress in placement with the Sandusky family," Trude wrote. The adoption file for Matt Sandusky contains letters from Long to officials and a Centre County judge expressing concern for her son, who she was allowed to visit only one-half day per month while he was in Sandusky's care.
Matt Sandusky – who is one of five boys adopted by Sandusky and his wife -- still supports Jerry after he was arrested on charges of 40 counts of sexual assault with 10 minor boys over 15 years. Matt even brought his children to visit Sandusky after his Nov. 5 arrest.
But the mother of Matt's kids immediately went to court to obtain an order preventing Sandusky from being alone with her children. By court order Sandusky is now not allowed unsupervised contact or overnight visits with his grandchildren.

http://gma.yahoo.com/penn-state-scandal-mother-sanduskys-adopted-son-speaks-091457912.html

by my math, Matt was 10 when first subjected to sandusky @ SM in 1988 and adopted in 1996.

 

[BigCat]

This incident with Sue Paterno isn't about the use of the pool; it's about whether the Paternos are still in control or not.

According to Intercollegiate Athletics, the Paternos called to inquire about their ability to use Lasch Football Building facilities going forward, he said. Discussions are underway to work out those details.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/campus_pool_didnt_ban_sue_pate.html

 

[ThoughtFox]

This incident with Sue Paterno isn't about the use of the pool; it's about whether the Paternos are still in control or not.

And you know what? If either one of the Paternos expect deferential treatment after JoePa was FIRED, then they are not being realistic.

(*curling my fingers so I won't write a whole paragraph about the 1% and their expectations*)

If that story about the pool is true, then it shows how bold as brass they are. Who else would show up on campus after being fired in such a public way? They could well-afford their own heated pool if they wanted to build one, right? They made a mint from the taxpayers dole over the years. Give me a break!!!

If this actually happened, someone is just trying to make a point. Maybe she was sent there by an attorney.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Four months after moving into the Sandusky's home Matt attempted suicide, along with another girl who was staying in the house, according to a report in the Patriot-News. After the suicide attempt, Terry L. Trude, a school-based probation officer, wrote a letter to a local judge asking that Matt's care at the Sandusky home be reviewed.
"The probation department has some serious concerns about the juvenile's safety and his current progress in placement with the Sandusky family," Trude wrote. The adoption file for Matt Sandusky contains letters from Long to officials and a Centre County judge expressing concern for her son, who she was allowed to visit only one-half day per month while he was in Sandusky's care.

http://gma.yahoo.com/penn-state-scandal-mother-sanduskys-adopted-son-speaks-091457912.html

by my math, Matt was 10 when first subjected to sandusky @ SM in 1988 and adopted in 1996.

(Edited for space)

Thank God that file hasn't "disappeared" or doesn't fall under one of those privacy laws that were changed just for the college.

We know from Grand Jury testimony that Sandusky bullied and frightened children into doing his bidding, so imagine living in the same house with him all the time! :furious:

I hope they get the testimony of Terry Trude because it shows that all along the way there must have been people who got suspicious and who weren't wearing blinders.

 

[Reader]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500188_...-molester/?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea#comments

If the charges against Jerry Sandusky are true, the figure at the center of the Penn State sex abuse scandal has "all the hallmarks" and behavior patterns of a child molester, according to retired FBI profiler and sex crimes expert Jim Clemente.
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When the content of the grand jury report is combined with the interview and what possible Sandusky victims are saying, Sandusky "certainly does" have the characteristics of a child sex offender, Clemente says.

"First of all," Clemente explained, "these allegations are extremely strong. In most cases like this, it's just the children's word against the offender or the alleged offender. In this case, there are a number of cross-corroborations between the children. There's corroborations from adult witnesses who saw various acts over time, over a long period of time. And those are some of the major characteristics, the hallmarks of a child preferential sex offender, the first one being a long-term, persistent pattern of behavior.

"And certainly, the allegations cross a great span of time in this case. He has specific sexual interests. He is interested in, apparently, preadolescent boys. He's got well-developed techniques to get access to these kids, and he's exhibiting fantasy and desire-driven behavior. So he has all of the hallmarks of a sex preferential child sex offender."


Good to hear from an expert that there is a strong case on the charges!

 

[Pensfan]

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, J.J.

Remember also that Penn State's facilities are available for public use, so there would be no reason for her to think she had to be the wife of the current football coach to swim there. I can, as an alum, but so can anyone as a paying citizen. SuePa committed no crime, and should have every right to use the PSU pools, just like she can eat at the Creamery or attend a wrestling match at Rec Hall.

I know this story was picked up by AP, but in light of the posted pool schedule, I just don't know how much credence to lend it.

The story first appeared in the Patriot News which is an unknown publication. The author/creator of this story is a 24-year-old who will hopefully realize that she must retract untruthful statements. She needs to also learn that she should discontinue using the phrase "an unnamed source" when trying to bash an elderly grandma.

This wannabe journalist now states on her twitter that Sue Paterno was NOT banned from the Penn State pool......after Websleuthers found that the Penn State pools were closed. NOW after this story hits the AP and the facts prove she was wrong, she twitters that this wasn't true. :growling:
http://saraganim.com/

IMO, she is now trying to spin that Sue Pa was working out and trying to swim with the football players. ROFL I can see elderly, frail Sue Pa working out with the linebackers. What female would even walk near an exercise room or consider getting in a pool after all those stinky males? LMAO (Someone please swipe this wannabe journalist's laptop!)

 

[Reader]

http://blisstree.com/feel/child-abuse-effects-mental-health-disorders-166/

..........If convicted, Sandusky will likely spend the rest of his life in jail, but what about the boys (some of them now men) that he abused? It’s likely they will face a jail of their own with a life of mental health problems.

While experts say it is possible to heal from sexual abuse endured as a child, victims still face a number of long-term effects–mostly to their mental health.

According to Dr. Laura Berman, the aftermath of abuse can lead to:

– Poor body image. When our bodies are used as the “instrument” during abuse, we can become more ashamed of them and how we feel about the way we look.

– Depression. Feelings of shame, guilt, isolation and low self-esteem are common even as victims of childhood sexual abuse reach adulthood.


More at link...

 

[Pensfan]

This incident with Sue Paterno isn't about the use of the pool; it's about whether the Paternos are still in control or not.

SUE PA'S SON IS STILL THE QUARTERBACKS' COACH FOR PENN STATE FOOTBALL. If the quarterbacks' coach wants his elderly and frail mom to work out on the sweaty equipment used by the stinky players and swim in the water salted by sweaty football players, he can let her.

 

[BigCat]

The story first appeared in the Patriot News which is an unknown publication. The author/creator of this story is a 24-year-old who will hopefully realize that she must retract untruthful statements. She needs to also learn that she should discontinue using the phrase "an unnamed source" when trying to bash an elderly grandma.

This wannabe journalist now states on her twitter that Sue Paterno was NOT banned from the Penn State pool......after Websleuthers found that the Penn State pools were closed. NOW after this story hits the AP and the facts prove she was wrong, she twitters that this wasn't true. :growling:
http://saraganim.com/

IMO, she is now trying to spin that Sue Pa was working out and trying to swim with the football players. ROFL I can see elderly, frail Sue Pa working out with the linebackers. LMAO (Someone please swipe this wannabe journalist's laptop!)

The story did not "hit" the AP. Genaro C. Armas, a reporter for the AP, wrote that "The person who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation said Wednesday night the rejection left the family saddened." That quote was not in Sarah Ganhim's article. Those two reporter aren't out to "bash" Sue Paterno. The Paternos are no doubt angry that they have to get permission to use the Lasch building facilities.

 

[Pensfan]

The story did not "hit" the AP. Genaro C. Armas, a reporter for the AP, wrote that "The person who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation said Wednesday night the rejection left the family saddened." That quote was not in Sarah Ganhim's article. Those two reporter aren't out to "bash" Sue Paterno. The Paternos are no doubt angry that they have to get permission to use the Lasch building facilities.

The first news site to post that Sue Pa was denied access to the swimming pool was the unknown Patriot Press and Sara. Hours later, the AP picked up this story. You can go back 2 or 3 pages and read this thread and see this for yourself. By implying that Sue Pa was turned away from the pool, the wannabe journalist was attempting to paint Sue Pa with an "entitled" attitude. The facts are that Sue Pa can pay $5 and swim at the Penn State pools just like anyone else on Earth. Her son is the quarterbacks' coach and she could swim in the smelly football player's swimming pool if she is that olfactory impaired.

This story is bs, IMO.