Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #6

[Dr.Fessel]

Paterno asking McQueary if he was going to be alright was really special.

He was just making sure McQueary was going to be able to keep it in house.

Never asked the little boy how he was doing.

 

[mahmoo]

I feel kind of bad now for coming down so hard on McQueary. Since more of the 'story' is out now I do get the impression he did what he could do considering the caliber of what he was up against as well as not knowing what we all know now. Have to give him kudos....at least he reported what he saw and I believe he's being truthful. It's almost like McQueary was a 'victim' of this whole thing himself. It's not his fault his superiors chose to downplay this back before it became headline news.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Then you have the Senior McQueary who was upset because the investigation was going nowhere but............. Schultz was his business partner and they shared money and well it................

 

[mahmoo]

Then you have the Senior McQueary who was upset because the investigation was going nowhere but............. Schultz was his business partner and they shared money and well it................

I love those 'old sayings'. One of my favorites starts out "oh what a tangled web we weave"...

 

[StellarsJay]

http://www.ydr.com/psu/ci_19564592
Here are highlights (roughly chronological) from the Twitter feeds of three members of the media covering the event -- Mike Argento, a reporter for the Daily Record/Sunday News who was in the courtroom; Anna Orso, a Central York High School graduate and reporter for Penn State's student newspaper, The Daily Collegian, who was in the courtroom; and Chris Otto, sports editor of the Daily Record/Sunday News, who was in York monitoring the Twitter coverage of the hearing.

--- Tim Curley looks calm and collected. Gary Schultz looks a little... er, uncomfortable. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Commonwealth has called Mike McQueary as the first witness. -- @AnnaOrso
--- McQueary is staring at Tim Curley. Curley won't look at him. -- @AnnaOrso
--- McQ says heard rhythmic slapping sound in locker room. There goes breakfast. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- McQueary said he can't say 100 percent sure that intercourse was happening. Gary Schultz is visibly upset. -- @AnnaOrso
--- McQueary said he knows for sure it was Sandusky in the shower. He truly believes intercourse was happening. -- @AnnaOrso
--- McQ gave Curley, Schultz explicit description. Was vague with Paterno. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- McQueary said when talking to JoePa, he did not use terms "sodomy" or "intercourse" out of respect for Joe. Said it was sexual in nature. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Twenty minutes ago, I thought #Paterno was faring better than
Curley & Schultz in McQueary's version of the story. Now, not so much. -- @YDRChrisOtto
--- McQ says no question in his mind that he told Curley and Schultz he saw "severe sexual acts." -- @FnMikeArgento
--- McQ says he thought he talking to police when he talked to Schultz. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- McQ says didn't alert Sandusky in shower with voice. Slammed locker door to make noise. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- Every time I look over at Gary Schultz, he looks more and more like he is crying. -- @AnnaOrso
--- The key issues here today are charges of perjury and failure to report SUSPECTED child abuse. Not looking good for Curley, Shultz IMO. -- @YDRChrisOtto
--- The bar should be VERY low for suspected child abuse, IMO. If 1/10 of what McQueary saw is accurate, should have been reported. -- @YDRChrisOtto
--- "I saw a lot of the boy but not all of the boy. He was not bent over" -- McQueary -- @AnnaOrso
--- Farrell: Give me an accurate height of the boy. McQueary: I would need a measuring tape for that, sir. -- @AnnaOrso
--- McQueary has now been testifying for nearly two hours. He is still very calm and relatively collected. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Farrell asked some very, very graphic questions regarding what McQueary saw. McQueary staying assertive with his answers. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Court back in session. Reading Paterno's grand jury testimony into the record. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- Paterno to Curley: Hey. We have a problem. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- Curley testimony: Mike told me people were horsing around in the shower area, they were playful. Did not say there was anal intercourse. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Curley: Not aware of any sexual activity. Still, told Sandusky not to bring kids to facility. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- Curley: There was no way to enforce him not bringing children onto campus and into the locker room. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Schultz: Any notes from 2002 describing admin response may have been destroyed when he retired in 2009. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- Schultz: I think we decided it would be appropriate to just say to Jerry, you shouldn't be bringing Second Mile kids onto campus. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Schultz: Don't know what sexual activity is. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- Schultz: Allegations came across as not that serious...We had no information that a crime occurred. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- Tim Curley's wife is doodling/yawning every now and then. -- @AnnaOrso
--- Schultz on a grown man grabbing a child's genitals: He shouldn't do it. I don't know if that's criminal. -- @FnMikeArgento
--- That thick 1998 police report, when released (and it will be) is going to blow this case to a whole nother stratosphere -- @YDRChrisOtto
--- Schultz lawyer: There is no case here. -- @FnMikeArgento

 

[BigCat]

Culture, culture, culture. Let me say it again: this scandal is the consequence of the culture that Joe Paterno created.

There always was a sort of incongruity to the manner in which Penn State football presented itself to the public. On the surface, it projected an image of enduring, infallible integrity. And yet the surface was all anyone ever could see. The locked doors, the draped fencing, the burgeoning restrictions on when and how the players could speak with the media all conspired to create an atmosphere in which secrecy was prized above everything.

It always seemed curious. If the enterprise of Penn State football indeed were fundamentally good, why keep everyone at such a distance?


Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...recy-as-it-was-tradition-integr#ixzz1gkuDsGfa

 

[katydid23]

How could Schultz say that he did not know if it was 'criminal', for a naked old man, to be in the shower with an unrelated naked young boy, and grab his genitals? How is that not a sexual assault on a child?

 

[katydid23]

About the shower excuse that these lawyers keep coming up with---when my kids were little, my parents used to take them on camping trips, out in Lassen Natl Park. Once or twice a week they would go into town and pay for a hot shower with quarters in the RV park. I remember my son, who was about 7 or 8, laughing and saying how funny it was that Grandpa and he wore their swimsuits into the shower. So here you have a man in his 60's, with his own grandson, having the intelligence to NOT take a naked shower with a young boy. There was no need to do so, and they could both get a clean nice soapy shower, no problem whatsoever.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

How could Schultz say that he did not know if it was 'criminal', for a naked old man, to be in the shower with an unrelated naked young boy, and grab his genitals? How is that not a sexual assault on a child?

That is the thing right there. That is a lie and he said that in front of a Grand Jury.

It has nothing to do with he said/he said. This was Schultz telling something any reasonable person would say was a lie. With his education and standing he knew it was criminal. He therefore lied to the Grand Jury and it had nothing to do with McQueary.

 

[SuziQ]

What is it about this case that compels intellegence and common sense to fly out the window? I don't think I've ever seen such blatant stupidity, among so many, in my life.

Seriously? Jerry Sandusky named among 'intriguing' people of 2011

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nat...ne-of-the-most-intriguing-people-of-2011.html

 

[azwriter]

What is it about this case that compels intellegence and common sense to fly out the window? I don't think I've ever seen such blatant stupidity, among so many, in my life.

Seriously? Jerry Sandusky named among 'intriguing' people of 2011

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nat...ne-of-the-most-intriguing-people-of-2011.html

When the object is COVERUP, intelligence and common sense goes out the window. And each person, IMO, who tried to keep the story underwraps or take the sting out of the truth was focused on their own job or career and how this episode was going to hurt the University and the football program and ultimately their own positions. These men need to be whipped and tarred and feathered. I want revenge and punishment for these officials. They are as bad as Jerry IMO.

 

[future criminologist]

What is it about this case that compels intellegence and common sense to fly out the window? I don't think I've ever seen such blatant stupidity, among so many, in my life.

Seriously? Jerry Sandusky named among 'intriguing' people of 2011

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nat...ne-of-the-most-intriguing-people-of-2011.html

Like Barbara Walters and her definition of "fascinating", I'm not sure they know what intriguing really means. Sandusky is just your textbook, abhorrent pedophile, although he and his sympathizers would probably like to think otherwise.

 

[mahmoo]

Sandusky attorney denied entry to hearing

One of Jerry Sandusky’s lawyers says he wasn’t allowed in the courtroom to hear testimony at a preliminary hearing for his client’s child sex abuse case.

Karl Rominger told The Associated Press that the decision was “a little unfair” even though the judge had the right to bar him.

 

[wfgodot]

Our friend SportsbyBrooks had an interesting series of tweets tonight which read like the evolution of one man's darkening thoughts about the possible relationship between this case and that of the disappearance of DA Ray Gricar:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7444753&postcount=380"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #8[/ame]

 

[MagnoliaMom]

PatriotNews The Patriot-News
Curley: It was my decision not to report 2002 incident to the police because I didn't think a crime had been committed. #psucharges
20 seconds ago
The Patriot-News
PatriotNews The Patriot-News
"I didn't think it was a crime at the time," Curley said of what McQueary told him," #curley
59 seconds ago

https://twitter.com/#!/PatriotNews

I think my entire hairdo stood straight up on this one. I can't believe this grown man actually said that.

 

[HMSHood]

As Jerry Sandusky's preliminary hearing nears, the ex-PSU coach has supporters in Happy Valley
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/as_sanduskys_preliminary_heari.html

These supporters are just as sick as Sandusky. Some of the comments are idiotic.

Mimiinpa December 13, 2011 at 2:11PM
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Please Ms Ganim, get the facts for your story before publishing. Just because Sandusky's pastor and members from his congregation attended the hearing does not mean they are supporters. Have you ever heard of forgiveness and redemption? Perhaps these people were practicing the Christian tenet of mercy to a sinner. I live in this area and know of no one who supports Sandusky but many have sympathy for his family. Perhaps that is why these people were in attendance. Publishing a headline that there are fans supporting him and only having one bar owner speak out is bad journalism. If the reporter had talked with most people in this area, she would discover that we are all heart broken for the victims and distressed that this could happen in our community. And this community is not a small isolated village as depicted in the media. We have a thriving diverse population thanks to PSU and can reach several cities in a few hours by car. Our airport has connections to everywhere in the world and we are lucky to be able to get there in less than half an hour. Try that in a city. The media has totally trashed this area and does not understand that lots of people live here and never attend a football game. At around sixty dollars a ticket, you can understand. PSU and State College are so much more than football, perhaps your reporter should open her eyes.

S

Forgiveness has to be earned first of all. The sad fact is Sandusky is probably a very religious person. No offense to anyone who is religious.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I feel kind of bad now for coming down so hard on McQueary. Since more of the 'story' is out now I do get the impression he did what he could do considering the caliber of what he was up against as well as not knowing what we all know now. Have to give him kudos....at least he reported what he saw and I believe he's being truthful. It's almost like McQueary was a 'victim' of this whole thing himself. It's not his fault his superiors chose to downplay this back before it became headline news.

It's getting a lot easier to understand why the Grand Jury found McQueary extremely credible while finding Curley to be a LIAR.

"Curley asked for details."

"Told them saw Sandusky with boy."

"It was extremely sexual."

"Described body positioning."

"Sandusky behind boy with arms wrapped around."

"Also told them of slapping sounds."

"Some kind of intercourse"

"Mike told me people were horsing around in the shower area, they were playful."

"Not aware of any sexual activity."

"I didn't think it was a crime at the time,"

Curley is married, and has two children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Curley

*Wonder if Mr. Curley would still be grinning like a possum eating green persimmons were it one of his children in the shower with this freak?

Tim Curley's wife is doodling/yawning every now and then. -- @AnnaOrso

Wonder if she'd still be yawning?

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*PS: In defense of the noble opossum, it's just a southern expression. No disrespect intended.......to the possum that is. :rocker:

http://dofb.com/misc/encyclopedia-of-southern-expressions/

 

[Concerned Papa]

In addition to saying Thanks to SuziQ and Doc Fessel for posting the tweets, I've got to say I like this newest form of court reporting.

In real time, we're able to keep track with the proceedings and testimony. It also gives us a tangible written record, instead of our own memory, well before actual transcripts are available.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think my entire hairdo stood straight up on this one. I can't believe this grown man actually said that.

I couldn't believe it either, MagnoliaMom!!!

This is someone who worked at a university where some of the students are probably under the age of consent, too, because high school students often attend college now for Freshman level classes. So that statement is not only a lie, it is also frightening!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

In addition to saying Thanks to SuziQ and Doc Fessel for posting the tweets, I've got to say I like this newest form of court reporting.

In real time, we're able to keep track with the proceedings and testimony. It also gives us a tangible written record, instead of our own memory, well before actual transcripts are available.

It dawned on me we had a rare thing going on. Unlike the Casey Anthony trial where all the reporters were guarding their tweets because of future book deals or movies these reporters were doing their best to get the facts out in real time.

The Penn Live people were doing the best, the girl from the college newspaper did great but did not make a single tweet about Paterno's testimony. She just tweeted when it began and when it ended. The one TV station did great but had to stop to do reports.