Penn State Sandusky Trial #12 (GUILTY-post verdict discussion)

[azwriter]

I haven't been on here in a few days, and should explain that I was being a bit sarcastic, and wasn't actually suggesting that would have worked.

I was just pondering the "humane" solution that the 3 Stooges proposed: that Jerry get help, not bring boys to campus anymore, tell the Second Mile about it, but not involve the police or child welfare services.

What if the "help" he was to get was offered by Raykovitz if/when they DID tell the Second Mile? He's a psychiatrist. The Penn Stooges have then done what they thought was the "humane" thing to do...except it didn't solve the problem for anyone but them, and only temporarily.

Hardymum, no need to explain your post as being sarcastic. I commented on your post mainly because it was different and interesting. I could clearly see your tongue in your cheek. I liked what you had to say.

jmO

 

[costalpilot]

Freeh report vs footballl:


........Former FBI Director Louis Freeh's report, which will examine who was responsible for covering up the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal, what policies contributed to it and what corrective measures are needed to ensure that it never repeats, could be ready by mid- to late-July, Penn State President Rodney Erickson said.........



This is going to get very interesting before its over. One thing is certain. The Paterno loyalists at the school and in the BOT are not going down without a fight, as evidenced by their having already captured a significant amount of media attention in the person of new trustee Lucarno, who comes to the board with the backing and support of a significant number of alumns and whose whole purpose on the board is to reclaim joe paternos legacy and to ensure that football continues to wag the tail of the penn state university administration.

while the Freeh report is not the only hurdle the joepa faithful face, (the other quite obivously being the trials of ,so far, Curly and Schultz) if they can successfully challenge its import and blunt its impact at the state level, enough at least to keep the lid on the state college way of doing things long enough for all this media attention to (finally) go away and let things return to normal, they will have succeeded in their task. Normal is, for all practical purposes, penn state football running itself and pushing the rest of the university around if it tries to say anything about it. the whole "save joes legacy" is, imo, a smoke screen. what these people want is football to remain king of happy valley. they would love for joepa to be its restored Lion King, of course, and that is their stated goal, but underneath it all is the struggle fo the supremacy and independence of the football god. That is what they are after, and just exactly who their opponents are and what their next moves might be is not being covered by the press in so far as I can tell. This is going to be interesting. Its pretty clear where the Freeh report is going, and it is just as clear where the Lucarno/joepa loyalists are going to try and take it. How this shakes out may have larger implications in the world of higher education nationally. Clearly the tail is wagging the dog in America's college system and has been for many decades. The highest paid "public servants" in every large state in the country are the heads of the football programs, who control the millions of dollars that are funnelled into the institutions annually by football crazed alumni. It would be interesting indeed if Joepas real legacy turned out to be the window that uncovered and changed the hitherto unchallenged supremacy of football and its 1000 lb gorilla in the room, the football millions of dollars, which are pushing these great state instutions around as if they were paper kites, and have been for decades.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/freehs_report_puts_penn_state.html#incart_hbx

 

[ynotdivein]

Probe eyes Paterno culture at PSU (CNN)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/justice/pennsylvania-penn-state-paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

<snip> "In a 2005 e-mail from Dr. Vicky Triponey, then vice president of student affairs in charge of disciplining students, to athletic director Tim Curley and others, she summarizes a meeting they had with Paterno in which he tells her that he wants to be the sole disciplinarian of his players... <snip>

"In the same e-mail, Triponey, also refers to calls her office was receiving from coaches and others. "I must insist that the efforts to put pressure on (Student Affairs) and try to influence our decisions...simply MUST STOP," she writes.

Curley, in a subsequent e-mail, acknowledges that Triponey's take on the conversation with Paterno is accurate." (more at link)

 

[HMSHood]

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/b...enn_State_probe_may_go_far_beyond_Sandus.html

Freeh probe may go far beyond Sandusky

In April 2007, more than two dozen Pennsylvania State University football players forced their way into an off-campus party and started a brawl that left several injured, resulted in criminal charges against six team members, and, eventually, convictions for two.

ESPN's Outside The Lines investigated Penn State's off-field issues.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe6ykE3VyiU"]Penn State Scandal - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Pensfan]

Freeh report vs footballl:


........Former FBI Director Louis Freeh's report, which will examine who was responsible for covering up the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal, what policies contributed to it and what corrective measures are needed to ensure that it never repeats, could be ready by mid- to late-July, Penn State President Rodney Erickson said.........



This is going to get very interesting before its over. One thing is certain. The Paterno loyalists at the school and in the BOT are not going down without a fight, as evidenced by their having already captured a significant amount of media attention in the person of new trustee Lucarno, who comes to the board with the backing and support of a significant number of alumns and whose whole purpose on the board is to reclaim joe paternos legacy and to ensure that football continues to wag the tail of the penn state university administration.

while the Freeh report is not the only hurdle the joepa faithful face, (the other quite obivously being the trials of ,so far, Curly and Schultz) if they can successfully challenge its import and blunt its impact at the state level, enough at least to keep the lid on the state college way of doing things long enough for all this media attention to (finally) go away and let things return to normal, they will have succeeded in their task. Normal is, for all practical purposes, penn state football running itself and pushing the rest of the university around if it tries to say anything about it. the whole "save joes legacy" is, imo, a smoke screen. what these people want is football to remain king of happy valley. they would love for joepa to be its restored Lion King, of course, and that is their stated goal, but underneath it all is the struggle fo the supremacy and independence of the football god. That is what they are after, and just exactly who their opponents are and what their next moves might be is not being covered by the press in so far as I can tell. This is going to be interesting. Its pretty clear where the Freeh report is going, and it is just as clear where the Lucarno/joepa loyalists are going to try and take it. How this shakes out may have larger implications in the world of higher education nationally. Clearly the tail is wagging the dog in America's college system and has been for many decades. The highest paid "public servants" in every large state in the country are the heads of the football programs, who control the millions of dollars that are funnelled into the institutions annually by football crazed alumni. It would be interesting indeed if Joepas real legacy turned out to be the window that uncovered and changed the hitherto unchallenged supremacy of football and its 1000 lb gorilla in the room, the football millions of dollars, which are pushing these great state instutions around as if they were paper kites, and have been for decades.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/freehs_report_puts_penn_state.html#incart_hbx

Does Charles Thompson (the editor of that article) want to see the end of all the women's athletic programs? That is what's going to immediately happen if those "evil crazed football alumni" close their wallets.

College football (and a few very successful men&#8217;s basketball programs) generates the revenue to fund all the other non-profitable athletic programs at universities.

 

[BigCat]

Freeh report vs footballl:


........Former FBI Director Louis Freeh's report, which will examine who was responsible for covering up the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal, what policies contributed to it and what corrective measures are needed to ensure that it never repeats, could be ready by mid- to late-July, Penn State President Rodney Erickson said.........



This is going to get very interesting before its over. One thing is certain. The Paterno loyalists at the school and in the BOT are not going down without a fight, as evidenced by their having already captured a significant amount of media attention in the person of new trustee Lucarno, who comes to the board with the backing and support of a significant number of alumns and whose whole purpose on the board is to reclaim joe paternos legacy and to ensure that football continues to wag the tail of the penn state university administration.

while the Freeh report is not the only hurdle the joepa faithful face, (the other quite obivously being the trials of ,so far, Curly and Schultz) if they can successfully challenge its import and blunt its impact at the state level, enough at least to keep the lid on the state college way of doing things long enough for all this media attention to (finally) go away and let things return to normal, they will have succeeded in their task. Normal is, for all practical purposes, penn state football running itself and pushing the rest of the university around if it tries to say anything about it. the whole "save joes legacy" is, imo, a smoke screen. what these people want is football to remain king of happy valley. they would love for joepa to be its restored Lion King, of course, and that is their stated goal, but underneath it all is the struggle fo the supremacy and independence of the football god. That is what they are after, and just exactly who their opponents are and what their next moves might be is not being covered by the press in so far as I can tell. This is going to be interesting. Its pretty clear where the Freeh report is going, and it is just as clear where the Lucarno/joepa loyalists are going to try and take it. How this shakes out may have larger implications in the world of higher education nationally. Clearly the tail is wagging the dog in America's college system and has been for many decades. The highest paid "public servants" in every large state in the country are the heads of the football programs, who control the millions of dollars that are funnelled into the institutions annually by football crazed alumni. It would be interesting indeed if Joepas real legacy turned out to be the window that uncovered and changed the hitherto unchallenged supremacy of football and its 1000 lb gorilla in the room, the football millions of dollars, which are pushing these great state instutions around as if they were paper kites, and have been for decades.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/freehs_report_puts_penn_state.html#incart_hbx

That Lubrano is a real piece of work. He posts on football message boards under his own name. And check out this video he posted on Youtube:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU&feature=player_embedded"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

(The theme music from Gladiator. Really?)

The comments left on Youtube are BRUTAL.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

That Lubrano is a real piece of work. He posts on football message boards under his own name. And check out this video he posted on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU&feature=player_embedded

(The theme music from Gladiator. Really?)

The comments left on Youtube are BRUTAL.

And this dude is a trustee? Seriously? No, I mean SERIOUSLY?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

And this dude is a trustee? Seriously? No, I mean SERIOUSLY?

Yes, and he came in first, I think. I did not vote for him.

That said, my sole objection to firing Paterno is that he should fired in person, not by phone.

 

[Twindad]

Freeh report vs footballl:







Clearly the tail is wagging the dog in America's college system and has been for many decades. The highest paid "public servants" in every large state in the country are the heads of the football programs, who control the millions of dollars that are funnelled into the institutions annually by football crazed alumni. It would be interesting indeed if Joepas real legacy turned out to be the window that uncovered and changed the hitherto unchallenged supremacy of football and its 1000 lb gorilla in the room, the football millions of dollars, which are pushing these great state instutions around as if they were paper kites, and have been for decades.

Here is an interesting short history lesson on the NCAA. The story starts after the olympic boxing piece: http://www.makingtherules.com/EXCLUSIVE

 

[Pensfan]

And this dude is a trustee? Seriously? No, I mean SERIOUSLY?

He has been a trustee for 9 whole days. He is one of 26 PSU Trustees. Penn State's Board of Trustees is composed of:
-six members appointed by the governor,
-nine members elected by alumni
-six members each elected by agricultural societies and by the board representing business and industry endeavors, and
-five members are ex-officio by right of their office, including Gov. Thomas W. Corbett Jr.; Penn State President Rodney Erickson; acting Secretary of Agriculture George D. Greig; acting Secretary of Education Ronald J. Tomalis and acting Secretary of Conservation and Natural Resources Richard J. Allan.
http://live.psu.edu/story/59616

http://www.psu.edu/trustees/membership.html

 

[Pensfan]

Yes, and he came in first, I think. I did not vote for him.

That said, my sole objection to firing Paterno is that he should fired in person, not by phone.

He came in second. With that many people running for a position, it is amazing that anyone "wins". There were 90 people running and most received about 500 votes.
http://live.psu.edu/story/59616

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Yes, and he came in first, I think. I did not vote for him.

That said, my sole objection to firing Paterno is that he should fired in person, not by phone.

I agree with you on that J.J. It was a cowardly way to fire someone, IMO.

 

[Pensfan]

Apparently Lubrano's actions aren't appreciated by all the BOT.

Board members have uncharacteristically spoken out about what they view as questionable behavior by a front-runner for election to the board, Anthony P. Lubrano.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-04-22/news/31382693_1_penn-state-board-board-candidates-joe-paterno

Correct to above post: He has been on the PSU BOT for 9 days.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Freeh report vs footballl:







Clearly the tail is wagging the dog in America's college system and has been for many decades. The highest paid "public servants" in every large state in the country are the heads of the football programs, who control the millions of dollars that are funnelled into the institutions annually by football crazed alumni. It would be interesting indeed if Joepas real legacy turned out to be the window that uncovered and changed the hitherto unchallenged supremacy of football and its 1000 lb gorilla in the room, the football millions of dollars, which are pushing these great state instutions around as if they were paper kites, and have been for decades.

Here is an interesting short history lesson on the NCAA. The story starts after the olympic boxing piece: http://www.makingtherules.com/EXCLUSIVE

Welcome Twindad!!!! I hope you stick around! :seeya:

wm

 

[J. J. in Phila]

He came in second. With that many people running for a position, it is amazing that anyone "wins". There were 90 people running and most received about 500 votes.
http://live.psu.edu/story/59616

Thanks. You can tell how much I pay attention to alumni elections.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

He came in second. With that many people running for a position, it is amazing that anyone "wins". There were 90 people running and most received about 500 votes.
http://live.psu.edu/story/59616

Actually, the greatest losing candidate had more than 4,000. There were just under 37,600 ballots cast. Adam Taliaferro, Anthony Lubrano had roughly 14 and 10 k respectively. Both were outspoken critics of Paterno's firing.

 

[BigCat]

He has been a trustee for 9 whole days. He is one of 26 PSU Trustees. Penn State's Board of Trustees is composed of:
-six members appointed by the governor,
-nine members elected by alumni
-six members each elected by agricultural societies and by the board representing business and industry endeavors, and
-five members are ex-officio by right of their office, including Gov. Thomas W. Corbett Jr.; Penn State President Rodney Erickson; acting Secretary of Agriculture George D. Greig; acting Secretary of Education Ronald J. Tomalis and acting Secretary of Conservation and Natural Resources Richard J. Allan.
http://live.psu.edu/story/59616

http://www.psu.edu/trustees/membership.html

It won't be the structure long if Lubrano gets his way. Here's his latest promise to PSU football fans:

Regrettably, change is never simple. In the case of the structure of the BOT, I personally believe that the Governor has much too much influence vis a vi his six appointees and four Ex-Officio members. When you consider the financial contributions of the state toward the operation of Penn State, 10 seats is too many. Lets remember that the By laws and Charter date back to circa 1855 and in many cases haven't been amended since. At the BOT meeting next week, I know governance will be discussed.

So all of you know, I believe in the near term WE can influence no less than seven seats next year. The alumni will elect three while the Agricultural Societies will elect two. The BOT will also elect two Trustees from Business and Industry. Information on all of these classes of Trustee and their election process will be forthcoming. I know that this is an Agenda item for the Outreach Committee on which I sit.

In the longer run, WE need to look at best practices before WE make wholesale changes. Clearly the balance of order is seemingly unfair. The bigger question is what should the size of the BOT be and how should the members be elected/appointed?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Yes, and he came in first, I think. I did not vote for him.

That said, my sole objection to firing Paterno is that he should fired in person, not by phone.

Well, last time they went to his house to do it and were shown the door. So I guess they figured by phone would be easier. :floorlaugh:

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Well, last time they went to his house to do it and were shown the door. So I guess they figured by phone would be easier. :floorlaugh:

It still would have been better. Paterno could have said, "Get out," but at least they would have tried.

 

[costalpilot]

if joe hadnt hung up on the bots he would have learned that they had intended to name him coach emiritus(sp) or whatever Lubrano is now trying to get him elevated to, but joe hung up b4 they could tell him, so he lost that designation of his own volution.

if YOU had been shown the door the last time you tried to fire king joe you might not have wanted to try it again, especially in that atmosphere with a bunch of his supporters hanging around outside his house having a temporary wake. they were probably some of the same group that overturned the cars and set the fires later in the night.

when i get summariliy fired after a 40 year job that ended with my coronation in the hall of fame, I'd probably be a LOT more concerned with why than how.

if he hadn
t thrown the last guy out the door who tried to fire him, folks might hAVe had a different idea about what was possible.

not to mention the fact that Joe had just told the board exactly when he was going to leave, and ordered them not to concern himself with HIM.

all in all, especially considering why he got fired, I could care less how they got the word to him.