Penn State Sandusky Trial #12 (GUILTY-post verdict discussion)

[Tipstaff]

If there is solid evidence, that his statue should be pulled down (for abject stupidity, if nothing else). I think there would have to be a lot more than we've heard about.

Solid enough now..... 10 11AM July 12, 2012?

 

[wfgodot]

Pimps once removed, glorified pimps paid by the state.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

I know Joe P died of cancer. It is a terrible disease, I lost my own mother to it, would never wish it on anyone. With that said, for him, I am sorry he lost his life to cancer.

What I am not sorry about is how I feel about him otherwise. He disgusts me. The leadership @ PSU during all of this disgust me - all of them. How they could have ALL turned their heads from the victims in order to preserve the name of PSU and it's glorious football program in order to keep Joe P up on his pedestal is beyond my reach of even comprehending. I'm glad they fired him, he deserved it.

I'm so freaking mad right now.......:banghead:

I am sorry also about the cancer, but Lord-how could he? Is football really THAT important? More important than protecting children? This is just so heartbreaking...there really are no words...

 

[back2back19]

The NCAA must get involved now IMO.

 

[Mama-cita]

I think we should be saying "4 stooges.". It's abundantly clear Paterno knew exactly what was going on every step of the way. He was a "deity" at that school and probably had more "real" power and influence than anyone...

 

[kk's mom]

I am sorry also about the cancer, but Lord-how could he? Is football really THAT important? More important than protecting children? This is just so heartbreaking...there really are no words...

There are no words, I agree. I still see in my mind the night the board fired him and all the rioting that went on on the campus, students hanging off his statue. And showing him waving from his house and thanking everyone for coming out. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. All he ever cared about was finishing out his tenure as football coach. Thats all he and everyone else cared about.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Joe Paterno was compliment in the coverup. I'm not in favor of tearing down the statue, but no more names and take off the halo.

 

[Reader]

Just to say I finally got into the report and still reading and seeing the same as everybody here....damning, damning, damning on Paterno...just what I and others thought:

Spanier and Paterno, as well as former university vice president Gary Schultz and ex-athletic director Tim Curley, failed to protect victims from Sandusky, the report found. "Some coaches, administrators and football program staff members ignored the red flags of Sandusky's behaviors and no one warned the public about him," the report says.

The probe's leader, former FBI Director Louis Freeh, also said Thursday that Curley consulted with Paterno following sex abuse allegations against Sandusky, and "they changed the plan and decided not to make a report to the authorities."[/

That's it for me....TAKE DOWN THE STATUE!!!

CNN is posting a good report on it as they read it also:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/1...of-sandusky-scandal-to-be-released/?hpt=hp_t1

Thanks to all who have posted...will catch up with the 'thanks' later....

 

[wfgodot]

Tear down the statue, shut down the program for five years.

 

[believe09]

I am only on page 48 and my stomach is churning.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

They not only didn't report him-they ALLOWED him to continue his special "programs" with these young boys. That makes THEM just as guilty as ole 'jer...

I say the statue has to come down.

 

[Tipstaff]

Joe Paterno was compliment in the coverup. I'm not in favor of tearing down the statue, but no more names and take off the halo.

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Paterno =

Complicit: Associated with or participating in a questionable act or a crime.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Joe Paterno was compliment in the coverup. I'm not in favor of tearing down the statue, but no more names and take off the halo.

I don't think the statue should be torn down, I think it should be moved somewhere off campus. I agree with your other two points.

wm

 

[Reader]

Freeh's prepared remarks:


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/12/freeh.statement.pdf?hpt=us_c1

 

[BennyProfane]

There had been a lot of speculation that Sandusky's retirement coincided too closely with the '98 incident, but apparently the decision for him to go was made months before. The only reason he stuck around was to reach the 30 years with Penn State that would have enhanced his retirement package.
I think it was Victim Six (?) who was present when Sandusky got the call in January 1999 about his non-future at Penn State. Maybe that was just a formality at the time.

 

[Reader]

Google has a good list of reports from different sources:

http://news.google.com/news/rtc?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&ncl=dXiYJhCWUjCT-kMHxzUg36rdzfCgM&topic=h

 

[Reader]

http://www.kimt.com/news/national/s...hers-hid-abuse-to/IOfxim9Js0yKNaujV0YHFg.cspx


STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — Penn State's investigation into the Jerry Sandusky scandal concludes that coach Joe Paterno and other senior officials "concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse" to avoid bad publicity.

 

[Tipstaff]

From philly.com

The findings of the probe by former FBI director Louis Freeh also noted that Paterno was willing to find a job for Sandusky even after the long-time defensive coordinator had been investigated by campus and Center County authorities.

"Joe did give him the option to continue to coach as long as he [Paterno] was the coach," athletic Tim Curley wrote in a 1999 e-mail to then university president Graham Spanier.

Paterno even suggested, the report indicated, a position for Sandusky, writing down "Volunteer position director - positive action for youth" on a memo about the matter.





Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...ts_Paterno.html?cmpid=137039688#ixzz20Q2q7Epj

 

[Reader]

http://triblive.com/news/2188886-74...sity-report-sandusky-group-act-clery-trustees

• Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley allowed Sandusky to retire in 1999 not as a suspected child predator but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy, with future “visbility” at the university and ways “to continue to work with young people through Penn State,” the report notes. That essentially granted Sandusky license to bring boys into campus facilities for “grooming” as targets for his assaults, according to the report. Sandusky retained unlimited access to university facilities until November 2011.

• Schultz learned immediately in 1998 of an on-campus shower incident involving Sandusky and an 11-year-old, then told Spanier and Curley, according to the report. Schultz’s confidential notes from May 4, 1998, read in part: “Behavior — at best inappropriate @ worst sexual improprieties” and “At min — Poor Judgment.” Schultz also noted: “Is this opening of pandora’s box?” and “Other children?”

• A 1998 email message from then-university police Chief Thomas Harmon to Schultz reads: “We’re going to hold off on making any crime log entry. At this point in time I can justify that decision because of the lack of clear evidence of a crime.”

• Documentation shows that Curley “touched base with” Paterno about the 1998 incident. Days later, Curley wrote to Schultz via email: “Anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands.” Investigators also found that Schultz consulted with then-university counsel Wendell Courtney about reporting “suspected child abuse” in February 2001, after a graduate assistant reported seeing Sandusky in a shower with a child.

• The football program did not fully participate in, or opted out of, some university programs, including Clery Act compliance, the investigators found. Like the rest of the university, the football staff had not been trained in Clery Act responsibilities, and most never heard of the Clery Act, according to the report.

• A culture of reverence for the football program is ingrained at all levels of the campus community, the investigation found.

 

[luvhockey]

Many people declined to talk to Freeh including the Asst DA that was helping handle case in 1998 and didn't bring charges.