Person doing a backbend or hanging upside down in dense foliage

[punklove]

I've pretty much thought if it's not a male it is this person.

I was doing a side by side for comparison:

The blown up version of the other photo is really disturbing, It certainly could be shadows, but I wanted to point out what looks like wounds.


So.. starting with just the original photo - no changes made other than making it bigger.

Ive circled some bothersome spots -

And here are super close ups of the areas.

Hands

Face (her jawline looks off to me too..)

 

[nomad]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scpr/4425404574/in/set-72157623600695928/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scpr/4424638521/in/set-72157623600695928/

Could be this young man, and explain the androgyny?

Personally, I do feel like this is a young male, and I also wondered if the person in the foliage is the same as the one posed with his hands up in the air, "bound-like" and even in a long stretch, maybe all 3 could be the same person.
I wish we had more resources, and I wish someone involved in this case would come to WS..

 

[angela]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scpr/4425404574/in/set-72157623600695928/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scpr/4424638521/in/set-72157623600695928/

Could be this young man, and explain the androgyny?

I think it is possible. This whole thing is so creepy.

 

[Filly]

I was doing a side by side for comparison:

The blown up version of the other photo is really disturbing, It certainly could be shadows, but I wanted to point out what looks like wounds.


So.. starting with just the original photo - no changes made other than making it bigger.

Ive circled some bothersome spots -

And here are super close ups of the areas.

Hands

Face (her jawline looks off to me too..)

Whoa.

Punklove thank you for doing that.

Those photographs just got me so freaked out I don't know who is who if anyone.

************What is that on the womans like where your adams apple is. It looks like a sort of vice or something. Something pinching it. It's small but kind of U shaped.*******************

PL, is the coloring of the woman with folded hands from you manipulating the photo or is that her coloring? Cause if it's not you did that I'd say 100% this person is deceased. It's how blood pools. I saw that on my dad after he died.

Swollen hands. Maybe broke? The wrists are messed up.

I remember asking if she could be hanging upside down and someone said no. If she was hung upside down then her hair would be hanging upside down. Also I wondered if deceased how were hands staying folded? Rigamortis? Maybe he stuck them that way somehow.

Again, thank you so much. Yep, I see that bump alright. Good eye, PLove.

Oh and the jaw being off? Way back the little tiny girl in the yellow sweater? I think her jaw is off. I think he cold cocked people in the jaw to keep them quiet. That probably resulted in their jaw being dislocated.

Thank you again. PLove do you think they are the same or different?

 

[socalgal2]

Hello everyone I'm new to posting here but have been obsessed with Alcala since the photos came out. I believe I had an encounter with that freak at the beach when I was 16. SCARY!

These particular set of pics really disturbed me since I first saw the hanging one that was released in the NY Daily News. The OC Register didn't include it.

Does anyone else see the indentation in the throat area of the hanging photo, where that item was clipped on the throat in the arm over the head shot, that is posted here?

I have a sick feeling since day one that this poor soul is no longer with us.

I am so incensed that these photos were not released sooner and pray all the missing and unidentified souls get a voice.

I am 100% dedicated in my obsession to search and match missing, UID , not just pertaining to Alcala etc. in anyway I can.

 

[Filly]

Hello everyone I'm new to posting here but have been obsessed with Alcala since the photos came out. I believe I had an encounter with that freak at the beach when I was 16. SCARY!

These particular set of pics really disturbed me since I first saw the hanging one that was released in the NY Daily News. The OC Register didn't include it.

Does anyone else see the indentation in the throat area of the hanging photo, where that item was clipped on the throat in the arm over the head shot, that is posted here?

I have a sick feeling since day one that this poor soul is no longer with us.

I am so incensed that these photos were not released sooner and pray all the missing and unidentified souls get a voice.

I am 100% dedicated in my obsession to search and match missing, UID , not just pertaining to Alcala etc. in anyway I can.

Welcome SoCal Gal. I'm so glad you're with us in the land of the living.

If you look at my post on top of yours where I put the ***** I did see and ask what in God's name is that thing on this poor girls throat.

I've never seen anything like that. It's obviously blocking off her airway. He was known to have his victims pass out and then revive them.

Whoever this poor woman is I pray she didn't suffer too much.

Still I want to know what that is.

Again, a thank you to Punk Love.

 

[smiles_001]

That photo is so creepy! I wish that small branch with the leaves wasn't covering his/her face. (I think this is a man personally) Anyhow if you look at his eye, I see a look of sadness or maybe duress and also you can barely see his lips through the leaves and they have a downward slant too like a frown. I also wonder if this guy could be dying or even dead.

Alcala is truly the devil and like the scriptures say, "you reap what you sow." He has sown death and now it looks like he will reap death from the death penalty. As a christian though, if I were him, I would be more concerned with having to stand before God one day. I wonder if people like him even concern themselves thinking about their eternity.

 

[smiles_001]

Welcome to Websleuths Socal gal. So glad you weren't one of his victims. Where do think you might have met Alcala back then?

 

[socalgal2]

Thank you for the warm welcome Filly and Smiles!

I was approached by a creepy guy at Newport Beach, not too far from Huntington Beach! I spent alot of my teen years at Huntington Beach Pier and Newport. The person had a camera and asked if he could take my pic and I said no way in heck!(I used stronger language lol) He then said he would go down the beach and use a telephoto lense and I could lift my shirt !! I never scrammed from a location as fast as I did that day!:sick:

Because of that experience I engrained in my daughters minds to always be aware of your surroundings and not to trust random creeps ever!

So much crazy things were happening in Cali during the 70's! I must have had a guardian angel watching over me during those hitchhiking crazy laid back 70's!

My friend in highschool had her sister raped and murdered in Santa Cruz in the early mid 70's. May she Rest In Peace.

Filly the dent I see in the hanging pic has always struck me as being a result of an object like the one we see in the pic you posted of it.

I also noticed several pics of girls that look like they have that double crease on their necks that a ligature would leave.
that looks like something used to strangle

 

[punklove]

Whoa.

Punklove thank you for doing that.

Those photographs just got me so freaked out I don't know who is who if anyone.

************What is that on the womans like where your adams apple is. It looks like a sort of vice or something. Something pinching it. It's small but kind of U shaped.*******************

Im not sure what it is, It could be a choker type necklace that is pinching her neck a bit because of the angle of her head. I really dont know, Her jaw line (on our right when looking at the photo) looks a little weird to me as well, though It could just be the angle.

PL, is the coloring of the woman with folded hands from you manipulating the photo or is that her coloring? Cause if it's not you did that I'd say 100% this person is deceased. It's how blood pools. I saw that on my dad after he died.

I didnt add anything to the photo, I only resized it 300% because I was attempting to do a side by side of the two.

Bare with me while I brainstorm: This photo really confuses me.

To start - whatever is around her neck.

Try pinching the skin around that part of your neck, even if you barely pinch it then stop it really feels sensitive, try pinching your neck to the extent it looks hers is and see how long you can deal with the feeling.. if it is just a necklace, would she not remove or fix it so its not pinching?

Is this the same girl?
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00611.jpg

If so, you can see the necklace isnt meant to be pinching like that..

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Swollen hands. Maybe broke? The wrists are messed up.

I remember asking if she could be hanging upside down and someone said no. If she was hung upside down then her hair would be hanging upside down. Also I wondered if deceased how were hands staying folded? Rigamortis? Maybe he stuck them that way somehow.

The color you were talking about on your father is called lividity, that coloring happens when the heart stops beating and the blood pools (and causes discoloration) due to gravity. If she died and her arms were over her head its possible thats what that coloring around the hand area is- also, once someone dies the body goes into rigor mortis rather quickly, you can 'pose' the body if you do it near the time of death and it will quickly stiffen to be almost unmovable (after several hours the body will slowly become less stiff).

We know he really liked to pose his victim, so I dont know what to think. She also couldnt be hanging because the branches of the trees would go the other way if she were hanging.
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Oh and the jaw being off? Way back the little tiny girl in the yellow sweater? I think her jaw is off. I think he cold cocked people in the jaw to keep them quiet. That probably resulted in their jaw being dislocated.

Thank you again. PLove do you think they are the same or different?

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I do find the jawline bothersome but could be the angle or shadows - the only thing we know for fact is that she has bruises/wounds on her arms, underarms and neck and face.

Im not sure, I dont think its the same person but I cant be certain - if you notice the person hanging upside down doesnt have a bruise in the underarm area, the girl photo does.

 

[punklove]

Side my side necks of both the upside down person, and the other girl.

Just as a note - when someone is in a position like the person in the woods it puts a lot of pressure on their head which could make them look as if they are in pain or have a weird facial expression.

 

[socalgal2]

Thank you Punklove for posting the photos as you did. It is heartbreaking to think anyone had to endure something like this. I flip flop back and forth on it being yet another UID victim, male or the poor girl the rest of the photos. I have shed a few tears pondering their fate at Alcala's hands.

 

[nomad]

Why is this person's hair jutted out forward? A breeze is possible, but when ya look at that thing around the neck, it's all out there, too, but I might be seeing more hair. Could this person really be upside down? Punklove, would you please rotate the picture? TIA

 

[smiles_001]

Thank you for the warm welcome Filly and Smiles!

I was approached by a creepy guy at Newport Beach, not too far from Huntington Beach! I spent alot of my teen years at Huntington Beach Pier and Newport. The person had a camera and asked if he could take my pic and I said no way in heck!(I used stronger language lol) He then said he would go down the beach and use a telephoto lense and I could lift my shirt !! I never scrammed from a location as fast as I did that day!:sick:

Because of that experience I engrained in my daughters minds to always be aware of your surroundings and not to trust random creeps ever!

So much crazy things were happening in Cali during the 70's! I must have had a guardian angel watching over me during those hitchhiking crazy laid back 70's!

My friend in highschool had her sister raped and murdered in Santa Cruz in the early mid 70's. May she Rest In Peace.

Filly the dent I see in the hanging pic has always struck me as being a result of an object like the one we see in the pic you posted of it.

I also noticed several pics of girls that look like they have that double crease on their necks that a ligature would leave.
that looks like something used to strangle

Thank God you made the right decision and got away from him quickly. Yes, you probably did have a guardian angel looking over you.

When I think back on some of the STUPID things me and my best friend did as teenagers, it is just a miracle we are alive. We never hitchhiked but I can remember one particular time me and several of my friends loaded up in the car of a complete stranger that we met at a park and took off to the beach with him. He turned out to be a real weirdo too. Luckily we met up with another friend at the beach and got away from this dude. I was so gullible and naive as a teen.

 

[socalgal2]

Thank God you made the right decision and got away from him quickly. Yes, you probably did have a guardian angel looking over you.

When I think back on some of the STUPID things me and my best friend did as teenagers, it is just a miracle we are alive. We never hitchhiked but I can remember one particular time me and several of my friends loaded up in the car of a complete stranger that we met at a park and took off to the beach with him. He turned out to be a real weirdo too. Luckily we met up with another friend at the beach and got away from this dude. I was so gullible and naive as a teen.

Most of the time I don't even want to tell my kids some of the things that were acceptable to do back in the day! Got to get real creative sometimes in teaching them safety! LOL

 

[websurfer]

Side my side necks of both the upside down person, and the other girl.

Just as a note - when someone is in a position like the person in the woods it puts a lot of pressure on their head which could make them look as if they are in pain or have a weird facial expression.

Would anyone remember the STATES he was supposed to have been in?
If this is a female there are several listed in THE DOE NETWORk found without having been shaved.
Such as:
Armpits/legs/etc..
I do recall seeing a few like that.
If this is not an unshaven male, this is definately a flat chested female possibly? Due to being a young person below 21 at leat?
The thing about the CHOKER that stands out to me is this.
It does seem to be moving .
How did people come to the conclusion this is a hanging person?
Also, it is very plain to see the injuries on the hands,neck & elbow to name a few places in this picture.
This person has red hair or is it my eyes?
Thanks for the BLOWUPS...
this makes things more clear to me since my eyes are less than 20/20

 

[websurfer]

Im not sure what it is, It could be a choker type necklace that is pinching her neck a bit because of the angle of her head. I really dont know, Her jaw line (on our right when looking at the photo) looks a little weird to me as well, though It could just be the angle.



I didnt add anything to the photo, I only resized it 300% because I was attempting to do a side by side of the two.

Bare with me while I brainstorm: This photo really confuses me.

To start - whatever is around her neck.

Try pinching the skin around that part of your neck, even if you barely pinch it then stop it really feels sensitive, try pinching your neck to the extent it looks hers is and see how long you can deal with the feeling.. if it is just a necklace, would she not remove or fix it so its not pinching?

Is this the same girl?
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00611.jpg

If so, you can see the necklace isnt meant to be pinching like that..

The color you were talking about on your father is called lividity, that coloring happens when the heart stops beating and the blood pools (and causes discoloration) due to gravity. If she died and her arms were over her head its possible thats what that coloring around the hand area is- also, once someone dies the body goes into rigor mortis rather quickly, you can 'pose' the body if you do it near the time of death and it will quickly stiffen to be almost unmovable (after several hours the body will slowly become less stiff).

We know he really liked to pose his victim, so I dont know what to think. She also couldnt be hanging because the branches of the trees would go the other way if she were hanging.
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I do find the jawline bothersome but could be the angle or shadows - the only thing we know for fact is that she has bruises/wounds on her arms, underarms and neck and face.

Im not sure, I dont think its the same person but I cant be certain - if you notice the person hanging upside down doesnt have a bruise in the underarm area, the girl photo does.[/quote]


How do they know this person is hanging upside down?

 

[Imbackon]

I'm not sure why the "dancers" photos are being compared to the back bender's photos. The dancer who is naked or near naked in almost all of her photos, could not be the same person that is back bending, unless you think Alcala dressed her in jeans just to take a photo of her in the back bending pose.
I think the bluish marks being circled on the dancer, are just the effect of very fair skinned person (as observed in all the other photos) in a blown up photo.

 

[punklove]

How do they know this person is hanging upside down?

I think its very unlikely the photo of the girl is of her hanging upside down, if she were her hair would be falling towards the earth and the tree branches that are in the background would be going the other direction, in the flipped photo below it looks really obvious that thats not the direction shes in, but I could just be seeing things.

Someone asked me to flip the photo (I think) and here goes.

The way her hair is blowing really confuses me in the photo - wouldnt you think that you would be able to see at least some of the leafs on the many trees around her blowing at least a little if the wind was strong enough to blow her hair that way?

 

[Billylee]

I'm not sure why the "dancers" photos are being compared to the back bender's photos. The dancer who is naked or near naked in almost all of her photos, could not be the same person that is back bending, unless you think Alcala dressed her in jeans just to take a photo of her in the back bending pose.
I think the bluish marks being circled on the dancer, are just the effect of very fair skinned person (as observed in all the other photos) in a blown up photo.

I'm thinkin' you are probably correct that this is not the same person, however, the photo's could have been taken in the opposite way you're considering. First backbend, second totally naked. I myself don't think this is the same person, but it's really hard to tell and all views should be considered. I actually think the back bend photo is a woman, and I think it looks more like this gal (if any?) in the collection we've been shown:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03
/00383.jpg
and I say that based only on the hair color and downward slant of the eyebrows.