PI Raw Video Tape (Nov. 15-16th) Discussion

[Valhall]

I believe the house they are searching at is 4701 Hopespring Drive right at the corner of Hopespring and Suburban. It is for sale.

http://www.fizber.com/florida/buy-single-family-home-4256686.html

It's the one with the pie-shaped long backyard. The FBI tent was set up right along it's back wood fence.

If you go to live search maps and look at the back side of the house it appears to match what we're seeing in the video, with the exception that it appears to have been empty for some time and has fallen into disrepair compared to the pic in live maps.

Hopefully this link works:

http://maps.live.com/#JnE9eXAuNDc1M...0ODUwMTI1MjM0ODc2JTdlLTgxLjI2NDA5MzY2NzgwNTg=

 

[MUGENDAI]

Jeez, this video shows exactly why professionals should be looking for bodies...

 

[impatientredhead]

If there is a way to determine that this man knew of a tip coming from DC that Caylee was dead, and they were going to find her, then it only leads me to think that both of them knew something. It should have been reported in November! If either of them were within 100 yards of the remains site, they both need to loose their license. JMHO

Just for the sake of arguement though, JH may have thought DC was full of it and went to video tape as supposedly requested. We don't see JH destroying possible evidence on the tape. At the end of the day they don't find what it is they are looking for, reaffirming that DC is a chasing his tail. In December the body turns up at a location JH was at with DC at DC's instruction.

JH has provided the tape. JH has spoken to law enforcement and doesn't seem to have a moving target of a story.

The tape doesn't exist.
It was taped over.
JH snuck up on me and videotaped me unknowingly.
JH works for me and stole my videotape.

DC wasnt' going to give that tape to anyone. That is for sure.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Oh, PLEASE, don't do that. I think my head's melting.

I like the idea that the building was somewhere else (not in neighborhood maybe?), and that maybe he was looking for something else.

If the body starts moving around I may have to give up and start watching reruns of my wife's favorite soap opera.

No I think KC hid something like clothes, shoes, rags with chlorform Something that would link her to the crime somewhere else.....She might have enough sense to not get rid of her clothes or something in another spot. NO Don't start watching soap opera reruns!!!! LOL

 

[mydailyopinions]

Just for the sake of arguement though, JH may have thought DC was full of it and went to video tape as supposedly requested. We don't see JH destroying possible evidence on the tape. At the end of the day they don't find what it is they are looking for, reaffirming that DC is a chasing his tail. In December the body turns up at a location JH was at with DC at DC's instruction.

JH has provided the tape. JH has spoken to law enforcement and doesn't seem to have a moving target of a story.

The tape doesn't exist.
It was taped over.
JH snuck up on me and videotaped me unknowingly.
JH works for me and stole my videotape.

DC wasnt' going to give that tape to anyone. That is for sure.

Now we know that it does exist, it wasn't taped over, there is no way he was snuck up on, he was willingly allowing someone to get that close while he dug in the dirt, and DC has said that Hoover does not work for him.
DC wasn't going to give that tape up, and has tried to spin anything he can to discredit Hoover, I completely agree! If Conway seen the video for the first time last night, it means that the Anthony's also have not seen it. I wonder how long it is going to take for DC to be looking for another job.
I still think however, that if Hoover knew that there was any tip that Caylee was dead, and her body was there and DC was looking for it, then he should have came forward in November to LE. If there was any dout, he should have had them check it out! JMHO

 

[MattMatts-Momma]

I think thats her and also thats the house Im referring Mike16acres in the vids above. Also in the pic you posted Casey has her hair up in a ponytail much like the person I believe to be coming out of the house in the video I linked above at the 54 second point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3hKR9_VF8M

I also think that it is her walking out of the house. If indeed it is her, she would have to be about 7 or 8 months pregnant at that time. Caylee was only one month younger than my daughter, her b-day is July 4th.

In that video, the person seen coming out of the house, has their shirt untucked. It looks like a maternity top to me. I don't think that it was KCs style to walk around with a long, untucked top.

 

[Chemaster]

This does not lead me to believe the A family was behind this. If they were, logic would tell us they got their information about where to look straight from the horses' mouth (KC), right? But he was looking in the wrong spot, said at one point "it would be right here", and never found anything. If it came from KC in a roundabout way, he would have found the mother lode.

I respectfully disagree, considering we are talking about dense woods and that Casey didn't have a detailed map. It appears that he is following up with someone on the phone to narrow the search. SOOOO, who was he talking too.

Casey should give up all phone records and come clean.

Conway, should STOP his spin on this. I use to like BC but my opinion has went straight down hill recently concerning him.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

This does not lead me to believe the A family was behind this. If they were, logic would tell us they got their information about where to look straight from the horses' mouth (KC), right? But he was looking in the wrong spot, said at one point "it would be right here", and never found anything. If it came from KC in a roundabout way, he would have found the mother lode.

But he was extremely close. If the person was trying to describe exactly where over the phone, I could easily see how he could miss the spot, given the dense undergrowth and not being there in person. As to the digging in the area near building, I can only hope that LE has or will go back and excuvate that area as I'm thinking other phone or clothes. It was all too specific for him not to have definate info.

 

[natsound]

I'm also not sure, as others have suggested, that the cell phone records will prove anything. It would not be unexpected that he would talk to members of the A family at any time, being that he was working for them.

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If he were talking to the A's or someone in their close circle while he was searching, I would think that would be pretty damning.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

I respectfully disagree, considering we are talking about dense woods and that Casey didn't have a detailed map. It appears that he is following up with someone on the phone to narrow the search. SOOOO, who was he talking too.

Casey should give up all phone records and come clean.

Conway, should STOP his spin on this. I use to like BC but my opinion has went straight down hill recently concerning him.

Totally agree

 

[natsound]

But he was extremely close. If the person was trying to describe exactly where over the phone, I could easily see how he could miss the spot, given the dense undergrowth and not being there in person. As to the digging in the area near building, I can only hope that LE has or will go back and excuvate that area as I'm thinking other phone or clothes. It was all too specific for him not to have definate info.

I see your point. Weren't there two configurations of rocks? One where the remains were found, and one across the street? I'd think, after searching one, he would tell the person on the phone "it's not here" then that person would say "no, the other one". Just the skeptic in me coming out.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

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If he were talking to the A's or someone in their close circle while he was searching, I would think that would be pretty damning.

I'm afraid that one or more of his phones would be throwaways. That is IF he has any sense.

 

[mydailyopinions]

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If he were talking to the A's or someone in their close circle while he was searching, I would think that would be pretty damning.

Agree, and especially since DC said that the Anthony's did not know of his search until the very day that Caylee was found..that would be interesting..
Cell records should prove the stories though..something tells me that LE will have to subpoena those records, the guilty will not want to give them up willfully.

 

[Theonly1]

Cleared area showing some concrete blocks?...

Yes, they are in the foreground but they are also back past the No Trespassing sign in this picture as well. [Also consider what may have been moved by LE.] The pavers/blocks I was referencing are the ones by the three trees.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

about this house at 4701 Hopespring Drive
wooh, where are you getting this info? have you confirmed?

 

[ThoughtElf]

:furious::furious:"Conway says, a man who worked for Dominick Casey, James Hoover, took that video without their permission and tried selling it to TV stations." snipped from FOX article.

Oh so NOW JH worked for DC????? Didn't DC expressly DENY that JH worked for him?? I guess BC isn't happy with the release of this video as it YET AGAIN implicates his clients in covering up the murder of their grandaughter.

I wonder who the "it is my tape..." is in the quote in the article? Is that the A's or BC speaking? It seems as if he's been trying to improve the public's perception of them lately by keeping them quiet -- this blows that out of the water. Greedy so and so's. I hope that tape throws the immunity he was seeking out of the window. :furious:

Conway plans to go after Hoover’s private investigator license. It seems, BC had better focus his efforts on building a defense for his clients...methinks they're gonna need it!

Does the last statement cement for anyone else the FACT that OBVIOUSLY they knew about the tape, its contents and the location discussions in November?

Article:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.2.1

I just read that, too! And had the same reaction. So now Hoover worked for DC??????????????????????

He should be going after DC's PI license, yes???

Could this tape issue be more complicated and outrageous?

 

[natsound]

I thought I may have found the house that is shown in Hoover's video, but now I am not to sure. This person has several videos. I found the post with the you-tube video's. Thought I would share this info I had came across a while back.

Can someone explain this? Someone else knew that Caylee was dead on 6/27/08 and created a video called "Gifts for Caylee RIP" on 6/27/08 -- a bunch of dolls made from recycled materials and laid on the ground like a memorial. Please see the video at the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcB2FSego8U&feature=channel_page

The user's name is skyzze, and she also has a page on myspace --

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=130069004

I found this youtube and myspace because someone on "docstoc" says that Casey posted something on this "skyzze" person's site and later deleted it. See the following link on docstoc (you need to be a registered user to view). The picture ensemble of Caylee that Casey apparently posted and then deleted on skyzze's site is somewhat disturbing; it is one of Caylee crying out and looking very scared, and her name is shown, plus something illegible and the words "Bring Her Home."

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony

This is a video made by someone who assumed Caylee was dead on 6/27, and shot video of a makeshift memorial in the woods? This doesn't look like evidence of any sort to me.

 

[PoppyH]

If the A's told the PI where/what to look for in the woods, I don't know....BUT the A's had to know the PI was also "expanding" his search efforts to include the possibility of finding her remains. Why is it ok for the PI to look for a dead Caylee, but it is not ok for TES to do the same thing? The only difference I can come up with is TES would have notified LE.

Im thinking he, DC would have removed and destroyed the remains, thank god the MR found them!!!

 

[Black Magic Woman]

I see your point. Weren't there two configurations of rocks? One where the remains were found, and one across the street? I'd think, after searching one, he would tell the person on the phone "it's not here" then that person would say "no, the other one". Just the skeptic in me coming out.

Only if the person happened to know that there was another configuration of rocks. and it wouldn't surpise me with foilage that dense that they didn't know and also I would be surprised if there are not more areas with rocks as this whole area is a dumping ground filled with all sort of debris. Understand the skeptic thing, we're all just figuring this out.

 

[mydailyopinions]

More to come! :woohoo:
Holly B live with BC!
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8233331&version=1&locale=EN-US

Someone needs to start explaining Hoover's actual roll. BC says one thing DC says another!