Pictures of the Karr Family Christmas of 1996 Have Been Found

[englishleigh]

That's true. All I heard them say was they were in Atlanta.

OK...so when did JAR and Melinda and Melinda's boyfriend fly to Minneapolis if he was in Atlanta on Christmas? B/c they were in Minneapolis on the 26th b/c they had to find a flight to Boulder when they heard JonBenet had been kidnapped....and the Ramseys had planned to fly to Minneapolis to pick up the three of them before going on to Charlevoix.

 

[luvbeaches]

He was in the used car business, that's when he drove the deLorean.

I'm having a harder time believing anything his father says about where he was for Christmas, since the father thought his son was dead--after not hearing from him for a few years. That was one of the father's initial statements.

That doesn't mean Karr wasn't actually home for Christmas, but I have to take anything they say about absolutely being there with a grain of salt. You're sure he was there for Christmas a few years ago, but you weren't sure last year if he was alive at all?

I also have a hard time believing anything his dad has to say. He thought his son was dead? Now that's odd...at least it is to me.

I do believe the wife and his siblings.

 

[JBean]

UM...I don't get that if the kids are there, it proves that HE was. That makes no sense.

Show me a Christmas photo dated 1996 where HE is in the photo...then I might lean harder on the "he didn't do it" side of the fence, rather than still being in the middle.

The only thing that makes me wonder is drawn from my own experiment. I asked my dh if there was ever a Thanksgiving that I wasn't there. He said absloutely not. He said of course he has spent every Thanksgiving with me.I asked him if he could swear to it and he said absolutely.
In reality, I was in the hospital one Thanksgiving. It was many years ago and he completely forgot that I missed the whole celebration. I went in several days before and got out several days after, so it didn't really "interrupt" the day itself so he forgot about it.
It happens.

 

[englishleigh]

70 plus hours? My husband moved from Atlanta to Salem, Oregon when we got married. He drove the entire trip to Oregon in about that time, in fact I think it was less. But I do agree that driving was probably not part of it unless he drove a few days before or was in the Colorado area to begin with. But it definitely does not have to take 70 plus hours to get just to Colorado.

A friend of mine in June drove from eastern Alabama to western North Dakota...it took him only about 2 1/2 days, and he was driving a Budget rental truck and pulling his car on a trailer behind him, and so he had to go way slower than normal.

 

[tybee204]

I drive from Tybee to Springfield Missouri 3 or 4 timesa year. it is 1000 miles door to door ( one way) and it takes me and average of 17 hours. I drive 5 miles over the speed limit but traffic in Atlanta, Nashville and St Louis is miserable. Alabama to Boulder would take about 25 hours each way , a little more in Holiday traffic or bad weather.

 

[luvbeaches]

The only thing that makes me wonder is drawn from my own experiment. I asked my dh if there was ever a Thanksgiving that I wasn't there. He said absloutely not. He said of course he has spent every Thanksgiving with me.I asked him if he could swear to it and he said absolutely.
In reality, I was in the hospital one Thanksgiving. It was many years ago and he completely forgot that I missed the whole celebration. I went in several days before and got out several days after, so it didn't really "interrupt" the day itself so he forgot about it.
It happens.

It does happen. But the flip side is that I know my SIL and BIL have been at every Christmas get-together since they've been married. They've not missed one. I don't know if I have pictures of them, but I know they were there.

So, this could go either way. I personally think this guy is going to get caught up with all these different stories. There's a lot of them...like the party one. I thought I'd heard the brother say that he wasn't at this party and he's not met John Ramsey.

 

[Details]

The only thing that makes me wonder is drawn from my own experiment. I asked my dh if there was ever a Thanksgiving that I wasn't there. He said absloutely not. He said of course he has spent every Thanksgiving with me.I asked him if he could swear to it and he said absolutely.
In reality, I was in the hospital one Thanksgiving. It was many years ago and he completely forgot that I missed the whole celebration. I went in several days before and got out several days after, so it didn't really "interrupt" the day itself so he forgot about it.
It happens.

Yeah - I tend to really distrust people's memories - they often fail, the longer the time, the mroe they fail. Memories tend to get idealized a bit, exaggerated a bit, they blend together.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Is there photographic proof that JAR was in Atlanta on Christmas Day 1996? Or what about Grampa Paugh?

I can't see that it makes any difference if there is or isn't, since neither of them are suspects.

The Karr family is currently trying to prove that John Mark Karr could not have been in Boulder, CO 12/25-26 to have killed JonBenét. A photo that doesn't include JMK isn't going to be proof that he was elsewhere.

If the DNA from JonBenét's panties matches JMK, he's in a world of legal trouble. If it doesn't, it still may not eliminate him as a suspect...depends on how the DA decides to prosecute it and on what other (if any) evidence there is to tie him to the crime.

 

[wenchie]

If that DNA matches Karr, as well as other evidence, Ex wife will suddenly not be sure at all and claim she gave pics to police without him in there.

It's not going to match, because he wasn't there!

 

[narlacat]

Only in his mind anyway.
The DNA won't match and his story will be pulled to pieces.

 

[pinto]

I drive from Tybee to Springfield Missouri 3 or 4 timesa year. it is 1000 miles door to door ( one way) and it takes me and average of 17 hours. I drive 5 miles over the speed limit but traffic in Atlanta, Nashville and St Louis is miserable. Alabama to Boulder would take about 25 hours each way , a little more in Holiday traffic or bad weather.

Yahoo Maps estimates 18 hr. It's almost all Interstate driving on flat roads in not terribly populated areas. Add a few stops, and you're still not over 20 hr. If there is bad weather, Kansas and eastern Colorado will be tough, but it doesn't look like it was bad then: photos of the Ramsey house show some old snow; sidewalks and streets had melted, so it hadn't been a terribly recent or large storm.

 

[wenchie]

Don't forget that he said he arrived at the Ramsey home at 5:00 pm on Christmas day.

 

[Eagle1]

Ya think maybe he was that walker who according to the Barnhills resembled JAR? Won't we be shocked if everything like that comes together after all?

Today, Fox is saying his mother was mentally ill, tried to set him on fire when he was 2, to get rid of his demons. She was put into a mental hospital and died about 6 yrs ago, according to Fox News.

I had a link yesterday that said she was killed in an accident, reason they went to live with grandparents. Don't know if I'd posted it anywhere here.
Or if this has been posted before. Just now came in and this thread was on top so I wanted to get it in as soon as possible just in case I made an error yesterday.

 

[wenchie]

Did you check out how far the walk from the airport to the Ramsey's house is?

 

[wenchie]

Hah! Now he's saying that he and his ENTIRE FAMILY took a vacation to Boulder and went to the Ramsey's Christmas open house.

WHEN is this madness going to end?

 

[MrsMush99]

where did you hear this? What station? I'm watching Nancy Grace.

 

[lighthouselover]

I saw Nancy's show this afternoon. I got the impression she's not too convinced.

 

[wenchie]

I just heard it on Nancy Grace.

 

[JBean]

Hah! Now he's saying that he and his ENTIRE FAMILY took a vacation to Boulder and went to the Ramsey's Christmas open house.

WHEN is this madness going to end?

Good Gravy

 

[JBean]

It does happen. But the flip side is that I know my SIL and BIL have been at every Christmas get-together since they've been married. They've not missed one. I don't know if I have pictures of them, but I know they were there.

So, this could go either way. I personally think this guy is going to get caught up with all these different stories. There's a lot of them...like the party one. I thought I'd heard the brother say that he wasn't at this party and he's not met John Ramsey.

I agree with you.there are too many stories coming out, nor do I think this family is mistaken, I am saying it happens is all. My dh isn't absent minded or dull. He just completely forgot that I missed a Thanksgiving years ago.
To be honest with you, I cannot swear that he has been with me every Christmas. He may have gone to visit his mother one year..truly cannot remember.