PI's following out of state lead on Picture of Caylee.

[EastSideOfSaddness]

Is there a link to anything released by LE that says hair with death bands was found? I'd really like to clear this up in my own mind.

I could be wrong however, I *think* what happened was (IIRC) it was reported that the hair that was found in the trunk was from Caylee and it suggested that she was deceased. I think that's where conclusions were drawn about the "rings" or "bands" as it's one of the more common ways they could tell if someone was alive or dead. I would like to know too.

 

[RR0004]

You are putting your trust in the right people. I hope others realize that neither Rob nor Leonard are going to jeopardize their entire careers and businesses by lying about Casey. They just have too much invested to risk lying and going to jail themselves.

You know I had VERY mixed feelings about the Ps getting involved in the first place, but I have to say when I hear LP talk now I believe him. He's definitely one of the good guys.

 

[Ezryder9]

WHERE does it say that a TOURIST took the picture? Honestly if I am missing that, someone please point me in the right direction!!!!

Ok, when I make a mistake I admit it! I read the article and it said they're checking with a man 'out of state.' I read the tourist word on the thread. And I equated out of state to tourist. But I think it's a fair assumption.

 

[RR0004]

I'm not sure what you're wanting to know? If there is no root on the hair, it can only provide Mitochondrial DNA. This DNA is passed down from the mother (thus the reason it could belong to Caylee or Casey). The odds on this type of DNA are much lower than if there was a root (which would yield Nuclear DNA and almost pinpoint the person to an exact science - with the exception of identical twins).


Doesn't the band form at the root area?

It was a lot of info for my brain to handle that's all. No worries.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe you're right, but I"m not so sure. If the hair only allowed for Mitochondrial DNA, that would mean it doesn't have a root. Could that also mean that since there was no root, they couldn't see if a band existed even if it had contained one before being broken?

Good question. I need to research it further. They should have Caylee's DNA from the paternity test of JG, but they don't have the bio father's DNA. This could have played a role in why they would test for only the Mitochondrial DNA.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I could be wrong however, I *think* what happened was (IIRC) it was reported that the hair that was found in the trunk was from Caylee and it suggested that she was deceased. I think that's where conclusions were drawn about the "rings" or "bands" as it's one of the more common ways they could tell if someone was alive or dead. I would like to know too.

What I'm gathering from what LE has said in the media is that evidence of human decomp ALONG with Caylee's hair has been found in the trunk. Nothing about Caylee's hair actually having death bands.

 

[RR0004]

I could be wrong however, I *think* what happened was (IIRC) it was reported that the hair that was found in the trunk was from Caylee and it suggested that she was deceased. I think that's where conclusions were drawn about the "rings" or "bands" as it's one of the more common ways they could tell if someone was alive or dead. I would like to know too.

Ok...now this I understand. We haven't seen those reports and no doubt won't until they go forward with additional charges. If LE says they have evidence of decomp in that trunk, I believe them.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I hope they do take her back to jail on Friday. I too believe she will try to run with, of course, the assistance of the A's. Could this be the reason that LE installed a camera trained on the A home today, they think that is a possibility also.

Sorry, I am scattered tonight and must of missed this. (so much to read!) Did LE install a camera trained on the A's house? Wow..

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There is no specific link, it's information taken from the first set of docs that were released. LE talked to the apartment manager and got the guest card, with the 2 children's names, in the morning. Later that afternoon they found ZG, probably through MV records, and interviewed her. Casey's statement was that ZG had no children.

EDIT for correction: In reading further, I see that the detective contacted ZG on her cell phone using the number from the guest card. I didn't think that was the case since the aprt manager said the number was no good. ZG gave the same number on her police report.

Casey has changed her story since that initial interrogation when she signed her affidavit. It was all lies. >wink<

 

[Georgia PI]

I'm not sure what you're wanting to know? If there is no root on the hair, it can only provide Mitochondrial DNA. This DNA is passed down from the mother (thus the reason it could belong to Caylee or Casey). The odds on this type of DNA are much lower than if there was a root (which would yield Nuclear DNA and almost pinpoint the person to an exact science - with the exception of identical twins).


Doesn't the band form at the root area?

Postmortem microscopic changes observed at the human head hair proximal end
Linch, CA
Forensic scientist senior, Division of Forensic Science, Richmond, VA.

Prahlow, JA

Forensic pathologist, South Bend Medical Foundation, And Associate professor of Pathology, Indiana University School of Medicine, South Bend Center for Medical Education at the University of Notre dame, South Bend, IN.


Abstract

Only two types of human hair roots (proximal ends) derived from decomposing scalps are reported in the literature. The most common representation of the putrid root includes a postmortem dark root band in published photomicrographs. In this study, 22 cases were reviewed in which there was reliable time of death documentation from medical investigator reports. A review of these cases finds that the most common putrid hair proximal end change does not contain the postmortem root band. Four primary types of hair proximal end postmortem change were identified. This study finds no correlation of time of death with scalp hair proximal end decomposition. In addition two examples are presented that suggest that hair roots do not decompose after fresh removal from the scalp and exposure to the outside elements.

 

[seagull65]

I asked this specifically because as I watched Nancy Grace tonight, she'd stated, the hair could belong to Casey or Caylee. Prior to tonight, she was talking about the band. If the band were there, it couldn't belong to Casey.

Of course, we know the media ALWAYS gets it right. :waitasec:

You're right, Nancy T, I noticed that too.
I was very surprised to hear her now say "Casey or Caylee's hair" . She used to slap down anyone, even the forensics expert, if they wouldn't go along with her theme that the hair absolutely, positively had to be Caylee's because it definitely did have a band on it, and that Caylee definitely had to be deceased because that was the only way banding could be produced, etc. It was a relief to hear her use this much more conservative phrasing now.
Anyway, the forensics expert always tried to explain that even if the hair did have banding, while it's known that banding can form when hair is still attached to a decomposing body, it is NOT known if that is the ONLY condition that can cause banding.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Casey has changed her story since that initial interrogation when she signed her affidavit. It was all lies. >wink<

She did not change her story about ZG having no kids. ZG talked to LE on July 16th, the same day Casey did. ZG claims that LE told her on July 16th that Casey knew the names of her children. Casey maintained on July 16th that ZG had NO children. Casey never gave another statement to LE.

 

[RR0004]

Casey has changed her story since that initial interrogation when she signed her affidavit. It was all lies. >wink<

You're absolutely right so IMO discussion of the how she knows anything is moot. I find it much easier ignoring whatever Casey says 'cause it gets you absolutely nowhere...and no closer to finding Caylee, unfortunately.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What I'm gathering from what LE has said in the media is that evidence of human decomp ALONG with Caylee's hair has been found in the trunk. Nothing about Caylee's hair actually having death bands.

Honestly, Chilly...what difference does it make? Death bands or no death bands. How many missing children mothers' cars have decomp in them? What are the odds? We have the entire A fam including Casey trying to explain away the smell of a decaying body in her car and the most extensive, credible research facility in America saying it is true.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Casey has changed her story since that initial interrogation when she signed her affidavit. It was all lies. >wink<

Or as Cindy would say "half truths" :furious:

 

[RR0004]

She did not change her story about ZG having no kids. ZG talked to LE on July 16th, the same day Casey did. ZG claims that LE told her on July 16th that Casey knew the names of her children. Casey maintained on July 16th that ZG had NO children. Casey never gave another statement to LE.

Ok...I'm confused...I thought you said LE knew the names of her kids...where in the docs did it say they (LE) told ZG Casey knew?

 

[Short_Stuff]

This is what I think, there are some people calling in who IMAGINE they see Caylee but they dont. Look, all the evidence concludes shes dead. But of course the defense team and her family are going to try to confuse everyone so Casey gets out of it. Which wont work.

 

[kathyn2]

BS in my opinion too. Baez is trying to stir up the pot this week and create reasonable doubt. The trial is coming up in 1 month. Why would this unknown man have a picture? why wouldn't casey have given LE his name so they could go get the picture? Why doesn't this man come forward to LE and tell what he knows if he knows a ZG?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

She did not change her story about ZG having no kids. ZG talked to LE on July 16th, the same day Casey did. ZG claims that LE told her on July 16th that Casey knew the names of her children. Casey maintained on July 16th that ZG had NO children. Casey never gave another statement to LE.

We don't know what LE has held back that Casey has said, do we? They are not releasing information which is being considered evidence in the case.

However, with what LP and others have said...she did say it. It doesn't change the fact there was a rotting body in the car she was driving and subsequently left at Amscot. ZG does not exist other than in Casey's lies. Proven fact.

 

[seagull65]

Georgia PI, do I understand in your post that in this study quoted, that they studied 22 cases of hair that had still been attached to decomposing bodies, and that none of these 22 showed "banding"?