Place of Crime per Police REVISIT OLD THREAD

[karenmamo]

I have never believed that June 16 story by George--NEVER

 

[songline]

My great Aunt said the same thing. She is convinced that ALL of them know exactly what happened and it happened when CA & KC were fighting then set this up to cover them all thinking KC would not be prosecuted if they made a kidnapping case out of it, but it backfired on them and now they are all trying to get her out of it. (how is that for a run on sentence?)

I really do not think that anyone other then Casey has a hand in harming the baby.
But I do think they know exactly what happened, they pretend not to know and are running circles around everyone
to spare Casey of a fate worse then death in the general population of the prison.

 

[donnam]

**snipped**

Second thoughts here, it bothers the heck outta me when she says to CA from her jail cell call, "you don't know what my involvement is? " Then CA says KC and she sarcastically snips back, "Mom." She also makes mention to Lee, Mom would know. Not in that context, but it was A speak if u know what I mean.

I don't think this means anything. I think Casey was just pissed that her mother said on the news that she didn't know what her involvement it. Casey was mad because her family wasn't buying her lies right off the bat and stating it publically.

 

[drip~drop]

My mother (80+) seems to think something happened during the fight to dear little Caylee and the ants all know and covered it up and GA told KC to get lost........?????????

I think your mom is smart!

My great Aunt said the same thing. She is convinced that ALL of them know exactly what happened and it happened when CA & KC were fighting then set this up to cover them all thinking KC would not be prosecuted if they made a kidnapping case out of it, but it backfired on them and now they are all trying to get her out of it. (how is that for a run on sentence?)

It's a great runonsentence. lol

Actually, I think that your Great Auntie and Passionflowers Momma have it right.

What else really could account for such a mess like this?
All the lies....the mind numbing idiocy of it all.
I hope at some point the are all guests of the FDofC.

moo
:clown:

 

[thelmadawg]

I have never believed that June 16 story by George--NEVER

Actually, I believe George is the only one who was telling the truth in the beginning. Now he is under Cindy's influence and for Casey's sake-- stonewalling.

I believe, almost certain, that in one interview, he mentions that it was normal on the morning of the 16th, something like "breakfast and all that stuff." He also recalled pretty specifically what they were wearing. It would have been pretty easy to discount this memory if the backpack, say, was still in the house after the investigation began.

Anyway, in one of the document pdf's (15, I believe), the brother, Rick, in one of his emails to CA talks about the neighbors hearing someone in the pool on the 16th. Cindy flatly denies this, and he references a specific portion of some TV coverage.

I've always believed that KC leaves about the time George said she did, returns after determining noone is home, possibly chloroforms K-lee there or elsewhere, then puts her in the pool and finishes the job (using the pool as a ruse). Her intent, I believe, was to simulate an accidental pool drowning, thus the "frantic" calls to Mom -- OMG K-lee in trouble, in danger, what to do, come now. When that didn't work, she panicked knowing that the logical response would be to call 911, which puts her in jeopardy.

She then either hides K-lee in the yard for a short time and comes back (not sure about the forensics on this -- how long for a cadaver dog to pick up scent) or that afternoon puts her in the trunk for a day or two as indicated by the forensics.

As for her disposal, of course, only KC knows exactly when and where, and she's not about to give it up, unless it's to her advantage--at which point the story would be accidental death, panic, couldn't face her parents, blah, blah.

Sad and sorry case -- so reminiscent, pathologically, of Scott Peterson - compulsive lying, friends, sex, others -- all as objects to be used for his personal satisfaction. A robotic, using personality, that because it can't truly relate to feelings of empathy, trust, etc. emulates a normal life, which is anything but normal.

Sorry to be so long-winded, but it sure is a case that gets to you!

 

[Truth Seeker]

I'm with ya on that one !! I wrote that in another thread at least 2 weeks ago. The ground around and underneath the pool is usually soft. All she would have to do is use the shovel to tunnel a hole from the edge and under. Also the new slab the A's put down on July 4th? Another place as she herself said My gut tells me SHE IS CLOSE. !!

Now back to this exact topic. She chloroformed and then put her in the pool to stage a drowning, she even may have BEEN DYING at that point. Now you would have shallow breathing if she hasn't expired yet, OR SHE WAS ALREADY DEAD and it was too late to have her gulp water and thus she knew the drowning idea wouldn't fly.
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I believe Caylee died in that pool! Accident or not?? don't know....but GA or CA could not find out why the ladder was in the pool and the gate was open!!

GA in his statement said they were all very adamant about keeping the ladder out because of Caylee!!
There were many times KC would sneek back to the house to steal food and gas. Why not take a dip in the pool when there. CA said Caylee loved to get in it!

As far as the chloroform found in the trunk....KC might have been using it on Caylee. JMO

 

[MIL]

Lets make it simple: my theory in a nut shell

In March KC starts stealing from grandparents and CA finds out about it. She's furious and goes off on KC with threats etc..
KC gets scared and starts looking up -self defense, weapons of house hold, chroform etc...
Then the fight fizzles out, CA takes care of KC dept to grandparents and all is quiet.
KC continues to lie, steal from others, etc.. and doesnt follow up on the plan.
Later she meets Tony and CA has to babysit. They have fights, threats etc....
On fathers day, CA takes K-lee to see grandpa and when they return the fight happens. (maybe 2)
KC had enough. She wakes up in the morning and makes believe shes going to work and Klee to Zanny.
Waits for GA to leave, calls mom to make sure she's out and comes home. Either she intentionally kills Klee or Klee starts acting up and KC is so frustrated that she kills her out of anger.
*tries to set up drowning(something goes wrong and she takes klee out of pool, leaving ladder behind)
* burrys her in back yard for time being to think (maybe in a bag-no dna)
*goes to tonys to think and comes back borrows a shovel fr neighbor, car in backwards and puts Klee in the trunk(still in a bag) where the tire is and covers her
she has no clue car will start to smell that bad.
*goes to tonys and get dvd's watch movies etc ( shes thinking of where to put body)
*finally she figures out what she wants to do and does it
*now she's relieved and goes on to party until CA finds her and the games begin

that would explain place of murder -the home
time-unknown
dates 6-16 to 7-16 or so

what do u think in a nut shell?

 

[MIL]

does anyone know where she was pinging on the 16th?

 

[amysmom]

My mother (80+) seems to think something happened during the fight to dear little Caylee and the ants all know and covered it up and GA told KC to get lost........?????????

The 'ants' (lol) are all liars for sure (some better at it then others) but is CA also an exceptional actress?..I think she'd have to be to pull off that kind of performace during the last 911 call..That's how much I, at least, fell for it.

 

[MIL]

IMO-George knows what happened and is coping with it the best way he can by trying to appease Cindy
-Lee did his investigation and realized that KC led a double life and lied and did this
-Cindy knows but is refusing to face it, cuz she lost Klee and KC as well, so shes trying to at least hold on to KC any way she can

She broke down in the 1st hearing and said i didnt see KC a week so imagine how she feels now

 

[Tom'sGirl]

does anyone know where she was pinging on the 16th?

Have you checked here? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73218

 

[MIL]

6/16 7:45am &#8211; 8:46am (1hr break)
6/16 8:46am &#8211; 11:47am (3hr break)
6/16 11:47am &#8211; 12:53pm(1hr+ break)
6/16 4:25pm &#8211; 6:31pm(2hr+break)
6/16 8:03pm &#8211; 10:59am 6/17(15hr break)

 

[MIL]

ahhh, there's more but it makes me dizzy lol

 

[MIL]

does anyone know when she did computer searches on Zanny?

 

[desertmom]

I dont believe GA did see them. Apparently they stayed in the bedroom until nearly one o'clock in the afternoon? Made no noise and just stayed in the room, didnt go to the bathroom, have breakfast or anything. That makes no sense to me. I do not believe it.

CA said she could hear them breathing in the morning through a closed door and that is how she knows they were in there. Yeahhhh right CA.

I don't know what happened but I do not believe that version of events. JMHO of course

That is a great observation that never dawned on me!! Are we to believe that Casey and Caylee were not seen or heard until almost 1 o'clock in the afternoon? I can't believe that is possible...IMHO, either GA is mistaken or he is covering up something.

 

[Coley]

6/16 7:45am – 8:46am (1hr break)
6/16 8:46am – 11:47am (3hr break)
6/16 11:47am – 12:53pm(1hr+ break)
6/16 4:25pm – 6:31pm(2hr+break)
6/16 8:03pm – 10:59am 6/17(15hr break)

Hmmm, IIRC she was texting TL at 3ish a.m. on this date (going into the 17th). Is this not on there?

 

[Coley]

IMO, everyone in the beginning were actually acting like humans and concerned. The 16th of July and on....Not so much.

 

[kgeaux]

IMO, it means that Le has no idea where it actually happened so they are listing the suspected perpetrators home address.

I think they've listed the address because that is where they were routed from the 911 call. It's where they first learned "something was wrong."

Legal question: Could casey actually be convicted of manslaughter and murder for the same incident or was that just LE covering their bases?

This is to give jurors a choice. It means the prosecutor is worried enough about his evidence to think the jury just maybe might not be able to convict for 1st degree murder.

And I can see why. When did Caylee die? Anywhere from June 16 through July 16........it doesn't sound like LE has ANYTHING pinned down in this case.

 

[curiositycat]

I don't believe it means a thing except that they were first called to the home and the last known place Caylee was seen was the home. They have to fill in the blanks and that all it means, IMHO.

 

[JaJo]

I might be crazy, but someone in LE needs to look under that pool in the A's backyard...I know it seems impossible, but I get chills when I see it.

I don't think it would be possible to dig a hole under that pool without the liner and water sinking into the hole as the hole is dug.