Place of Crime per Police REVISIT OLD THREAD

[Elley Mae]

I posted on the doc tread, and on the doc dump #9 on page 2726/2727 in is talking about a camera and computer that yielded pics,email and there are some hand written entries that lead me to believe that photos were recovered from the camera of Caylee. And the Florida statues for child neglect, abuse, and aggravated abuse were listed in the same paragraph. Hinky meter went off.

 

[Elley Mae]

This could be why the home is the suspected place.

 

[DotsEyes]

I agree with the 15th being the time of death as well.

Then how does JG's story that he talked to KC on the 16th at about 2-ish and heard Caylee in the background fit? Is JG mistaken and GA lying?

JG's statement is the only fact that changed my mind from believing that Caylee died the night of the 15th.

KC called her a little snot head that night, right? Did Caylee have a cold?

CA said that KC didn't want to get into the pool because it was too cold. This leads me to ask this of you nurses and med. folks out there:

How long would it be before hyothermia set in on a little one like Caylee? If she was in a cold pool, how fast would her body temperature drop and at what internal temperature would hypothermia induce irreversable coma? I guess what I am asking it whether the cold water could have killed Caylee.

 

[Manny]

Just imagine the discussion that will go on is the jury room. What proof do they have that this happened in the home? No blood, no body, no confession.
Are they to send someone to prison for life based on a dog.. or two dogs? All the rest of their sceneriod are might be's.
The lab has couched every sentence in the report with "could be's" I think it will need a lot more for a murder charge. Oh, but wait.. this is Florida. Who knows what the jury will base their opinion on. They surely will get her on the financial machinations.. theft. Her goose is cooked there.
jmvho

 

[Gaia713]

then why is the time unkown-they could have looked at their watch and it would only apply the lie charge
i dunno i'm swayed they know more then we do thats why its stated that way

Prosecution does not have to prove where or when a death occured, or a motive. , just that a death occurred.Caylee's a listtle young for suicide and she was not ill when last seen alive. LE is just using the last place she was seen alive imo

 

[shergal]

That is a great observation that never dawned on me!! Are we to believe that Casey and Caylee were not seen or heard until almost 1 o'clock in the afternoon? I can't believe that is possible...IMHO, either GA is mistaken or he is covering up something.

I've always thought KC left on the 15th evening after the fight, either with or without Caylee, altho more than likely with her. She probably spent the night in her car (if Caylee was with her she was drugged to sleep), and went back to the house in the morning after she knew CA was gone to work. Then she had the rest of the morning to quietly pack backpacks and clothes she'd need in her room. When she and Caylee came out to leave at 1:00, GA would have seen them and maybe assumed they'd been there all night.

Then she left with Caylee. If she didn't take any extra clothes for Caylee that would be the biggest clue to pre-meditation, and CA says nothing of Caylee's was gone. Otherwise, maybe she wasn't sure what to do with Caylee yet, she just knew for sure she did not want CA having her. Maybe Caylee started crying for grandma and KC got frustrated and drugged her and put her in the blue collapsible bin in the trunk. (I think KC had used that frequently for a bed for a drugged Caylee when she was spending nights with Tony.)

KC may have accidentally overdosed her with chloroform, or done it purposely, I'm not sure on that. After that, she drove around with her, had her in the Ant backyard for a while, and finally probably dumped her in a lake with gators just to get rid of what had become a burden to her. This is all JMO.

 

[Indigo]

Then how does JG's story that he talked to KC on the 16th at about 2-ish and heard Caylee in the background fit? Is JG mistaken and GA lying?

JG's statement is the only fact that changed my mind from believing that Caylee died the night of the 15th.

KC called her a little snot head that night, right? Did Caylee have a cold?

CA said that KC didn't want to get into the pool because it was too cold. This leads me to ask this of you nurses and med. folks out there:

How long would it be before hyothermia set in on a little one like Caylee? If she was in a cold pool, how fast would her body temperature drop and at what internal temperature would hypothermia induce irreversable coma? I guess what I am asking it whether the cold water could have killed Caylee.

It was June 24th that JG thought he might have heard Caylee in the background. Casey was saying, "NO! Stop! NO! Get off the table, Caylee. Sit down. Mom's on the phone." Later JG told YM he could no longer say he heard Caylee.

 

[YellowDog]

I dont believe GA did see them. Apparently they stayed in the bedroom until nearly one o'clock in the afternoon? Made no noise and just stayed in the room, didnt go to the bathroom, have breakfast or anything. That makes no sense to me. I do not believe it.

CA said she could hear them breathing in the morning through a closed door and that is how she knows they were in there. Yeahhhh right CA.

I don't know what happened but I do not believe that version of events. JMHO of course

Maybe George hadn't been up very long. Didn't he work a late shift? If so, he could have still been in bed when they did their bathroom things and had breakfast.

 

[Marple]

CA said that KC didn't want to get into the pool because it was too cold. This leads me to ask this of you nurses and med. folks out there:

How long would it be before hyothermia set in on a little one like Caylee? If she was in a cold pool, how fast would her body temperature drop and at what internal temperature would hypothermia induce irreversable coma? I guess what I am asking it whether the cold water could have killed Caylee.

I doubt that pool temp would have been cold enough to kill little Caylee. The low on the June 15 was abt 73, high 91. The water that morning would have been uncomfortably cool for a little one but not cold enough to cause hypothermia.

JMHO

 

[YellowDog]

I might be crazy, but someone in LE needs to look under that pool in the A's backyard...I know it seems impossible, but I get chills when I see it.

That pool would have to be completely drained to move it and that would take hours.

 

[TinPan]

In this document GA doesn't make it clear if kc and Caylee were the first to leave the house on the 16th or if he was, it almost sounds as if he left first. If that was the case anything could have happened after he left.

Why isn't the le anthony being brought up more in our discussions? He was with her for the first out of gas and the second! He was the one that broke the lock off the shed door to steal gas, he also was in the A house that day.

Do you think that KC was telling a lie when she told Jessie LA was trying to have sex with her in Sept 05?

 

[Coley]

In this document GA doesn't make it clear if kc and Caylee were the first to leave the house on the 16th or if he was, it almost sounds as if he left first. If that was the case anything could have happened after he left.

Why isn't the le anthony being brought up more in our discussions? He was with her for the first out of gas and the second! He was the one that broke the lock off the shed door to steal gas, he also was in the A house that day.

Do you think that KC was telling a lie when she told Jessie LA was trying to have sex with her in Sept 05?

GA was gone that morning but e-pass shows he went the route back to the house. Hence seeing them before his favorite food network show.

I don't believe anything KC says. I believe everything is backwards. She prob tried to sleep with him.

Moo

 

[TinPan]

Also she moved in with him around the time of Caylee disapearance, his room mate said she was there all the time.

 

[PaperMoon]

I don't think it would be possible to dig a hole under that pool without the liner and water sinking into the hole as the hole is dug.

Yes, that's very true. We have an aboveground pool and had to have the liner replaced a few years ago. The ground beneath the pool is leveled, than a few inches of sand is placed on top of the ground with the vinyl liner atop the sand. The hard outer shell of the pool is only on the sides and does not extend beneath the pool. It would be totally impossible to dig beneath it without the liner and water collapsing into the hole.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I agree with the A's didn't know at 1st. After the 911 calls they did know.

But with the killing that night, that's incorrect. GA saw KC & Caylee the 16th when KC was leaving for her imaginary job at 12:50.

Correction, GA SAYS he saw KC and Caylee the afternoon of the 16th. I've never ever believed this from the beginning.

 

[MD MOMMY]

That pool would have to be completely drained to move it and that would take hours.

And where would they drain all the water to? Someone would IMO, likely notice in the neighborhood if it were drained.

 

[Coley]

And where would they drain all the water to? Someone would IMO, likely notice in the neighborhood if it were drained.

I'd like to see the water bill.

 

[yolorado]

Just imagine the discussion that will go on is the jury room. What proof do they have that this happened in the home? No blood, no body, no confession.
Are they to send someone to prison for life based on a dog.. or two dogs? All the rest of their sceneriod are might be's.
The lab has couched every sentence in the report with "could be's" I think it will need a lot more for a murder charge. Oh, but wait.. this is Florida. Who knows what the jury will base their opinion on. They surely will get her on the financial machinations.. theft. Her goose is cooked there.
jmvho

Nah, it'll go more like this.

She didn't report her own child missing for 31 days! Who would do that unless they killed their child and were trying to cover it up!?
She didn't co-operate with the police to find her own child!
All the things she told the police were LIES!
She said she didn't harm her daughter. No doubt that's a lie as well.
Cadaver dogs hit on the car.
There's a hair that's Caylee's with death bands found in the trunk.
There's scientific evidence of human decomposition in the trunk.
Everyone who smelled that car smelled something that was almost certainly decomposition.
When they took us out to smell the car, we smelled it too!
Perp has NEVER told a story which could be verified as a true rendition of a true kidnapping or in any way explain her missing daughter.
Life in prison is probably too good for this perp.

 

[Firefly]

sounds to me that le think KC killed Caylee at the house, put her in back yard and then moved her imo between 6-16 and 7-16 at unknown time

Figure that the reason they put down Hopespring is that the cadaver dogs had made positive hits there.

 

[Coley]

Correction, GA SAYS he saw KC and Caylee the afternoon of the 16th. I've never ever believed this from the beginning.

Well I know a lot are saying that they don't believe this. So I guess the person who went to LE & stated they saw KC & Caylee at a shopping area near the Seminole/Orange Co line and described the same exact outfit GA described isn't telling the truth.