Place of Crime per Police REVISIT OLD THREAD

[whiteangora]

I think they've listed the address because that is where they were routed from the 911 call. It's where they first learned "something was wrong."



This is to give jurors a choice. It means the prosecutor is worried enough about his evidence to think the jury just maybe might not be able to convict for 1st degree murder.

And I can see why. When did Caylee die? Anywhere from June 16 through July 16........it doesn't sound like LE has ANYTHING pinned down in this case.

I still think LE has more than we are privy to. The Grand Jury only
took 30 minutes to hand down the indictment, there had to be some compelling evidence. I have faith in the investigators, the prosecutor,
and the outcome of the trial.

 

[RR0004]

Ok...question after reading some posts...can someone tell me where it says LA was with Casey and broke the lock off the shed? I thought TL was with her the day she stole the gas cans.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Manslaughter is the lesser included charge. If the jury feels there isn't enough evidence to convict on premeditated, they will likely have the option of the lesser included.
Rare cases (the nanny shaken baby in Boston a few years back) was an all or nothing strategy. Guilty of murder or nothing. That was a gutsy move on the part of her lawyer...(she was convicted and then it was overturned).

Jose may be hotdog enough to try something like this...although I don't know if the final decision lies with the defense.

Tippy et Toes,
You are flowing over into the area of requested jury instructions and that's a point where defense can opt to play it safe and request "lesser-includeds."
Or he can really roll the dice in appropriate circumstances and say that the option of murder1 or nada is going to be instructed to the jury. There is no compromising level for the collective juror hat to be hung.
You aren't as far off as you are thinking you are! :wink:


As to the bolded part of the quote:
Let's keep in mind that premeditation is not a requisite finding for murder 1 in this case. Aggravated child abuse not intended to cause death and ending a chil'd life, will bump it up to murder one although the death was not premeditated.
Meanwhile, certain types of manslaughter, the lesser included, do have the element of premeditation, but remain as manslaughter and not murder one.
For example, I walk in on a compromised couple in deep involvement inside my home. One of them is my spouse. I fly into a rage and decide to grab a weapon and do away with my spouse. It is still arguably manslaughter--heat of passion manslaughter--even though I formed a quick crazed plan with the intent to kill.
There is your premeditation. Murder one? Manslaughter? Most likely manslaughter. Once this heat of passion subsides, if I then take that same weapon all over town, trying to find the woman who was with my spouse, it is getting back to murder one with premeditation. :gavel:

 

[RR0004]

I still think LE has more than we are privy to. The Grand Jury only
took 30 minutes to hand down the indictment, there had to be some compelling evidence. I have faith in the investigators, the prosecutor,
and the outcome of the trial.

I also think what's on the paperwork is more "legalese" than anything...just a formality. Not telling at all IMO.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

ORIGINAL OFFENSE: DEATH INVESTIGATION
OFFENSE CHANGED TO : FIRST DEGREE MURDER
AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
PROVIDING FALSE INFORMATION TO LEO

DATE OF OCCURENCE: JUNE 16-2008 TO JULY 16-2008
TIME OF OCCURENCE: UNKNOWN

ADDRESS OF OCCURENCE: 4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
ZONE 20


CALEE MARIE ANTONY-DECEASED
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155354.pdf

So this means she was killed at home?

I'm gonna poke around.

Isn't Hopespring technically the last known address of the alleged victim.
I doubt it's that unusual to say alleged victim's location, unknown; last know address: Hopespring.
Also, the misrepresentations to LE, that crime occurred everywhere Casey had been with LE, including her house.

 

[RR0004]

I'm gonna poke around.

Isn't Hopespring technically the last known address of the alleged victim.
I doubt it's that unusual to say alleged victim's location, unknown; last know address: Hopespring.
Also, the misrepresentations to LE, that crime occurred everywhere Casey had been with LE, including her house.

Oh my...how did I miss "deceased" printed on there? It shocked the h*ll out of me. I'm speechless. I "knew" it, right?! But, seeing it printed that way, that sweet little baby...it hurts my heart so.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Oh my...how did I miss "deceased" printed on there? It shocked the h*ll out of me. I'm speechless. I "knew" it, right?! But, seeing it printed that way, that sweet little baby...it hurts my heart so.

Yes, It hits one like a jolt. What a tremendous loss, as we all know. Seeing it like that can make one despondent. Really, she should be soooo excited
:star:
:xmastree::xmastree: about :santa: :gift: and :gift::gift::gift:


You know how they understand more of the goings on each holiday....

I wonder if she decorated her little playhouse with her own creche and all those things that children adore.

 

[not_my_kids]

Ok...question after reading some posts...can someone tell me where it says LA was with Casey and broke the lock off the shed? I thought TL was with her the day she stole the gas cans.

It was Tony. Lee later comes out and says that he heard that Tony wasn't with her, he just sat in the car outside, which makes you wonder who is lying, but if there was anyoe with her it was Tony since he admitted to it.

 

[Thinaire]

I have never believed that June 16 story by George--NEVER

DITTO :clap: Or the "tucking in" by CA, and the "I heard them" by CA...

 

[RR0004]

DITTO :clap: Or the "tucking in" by CA, and the "I heard them" by CA...

So we really do have to go back to the beginning and rethink all that's transpired IMO.

 

[PaperMoon]

It was Tony. Lee later comes out and says that he heard that Tony wasn't with her, he just sat in the car outside, which makes you wonder who is lying, but if there was anyoe with her it was Tony since he admitted to it.

Perhaps KC told LA that TL stayed in the car in an effort to protect TL from the breaking in of the shed and theft of the gas cans; in TL's statement he is quite clear that he is the one who pried the lock off the shed. The lie that he was waiting in the car probably came from KC.

 

[YellowDog]

And where would they drain all the water to? Someone would IMO, likely notice in the neighborhood if it were drained.

And even if it were drained, it would be way too heavy for one person to move.

 

[jerchers]

My mother (80+) seems to think something happened during the fight to dear little Caylee and the ants all know and covered it up and GA told KC to get lost........?????????

I dont think so-Cindy sound really upet in the 911 call when she said Caylee is Caylee is missing--- souned like honest emotion-in fact the last honest emotion I heard

 

[Elley Mae]

There was an occasion with Ricardo and Casey, Ricardo said they went to bed and when he woke up no Caylee, Casey said mom called and wanted Caylee home. Could Casey have done this more than once. Is it possible that Casey went to the house on the night of the 14th June and put Caylee in the bed so she would be there in the morning.

 

[jerchers]

Ok...question after reading some posts...can someone tell me where it says LA was with Casey and broke the lock off the shed? I thought TL was with her the day she stole the gas cans.

I think you are right it was tl

 

[TinPan]

It was TL I had my Tones' mixed up.

 

[debs]

Ok...question after reading some posts...can someone tell me where it says LA was with Casey and broke the lock off the shed? I thought TL was with her the day she stole the gas cans.

It was TonE, not Lee.

 

[panthera]

ORIGINAL OFFENSE: DEATH INVESTIGATION
OFFENSE CHANGED TO : FIRST DEGREE MURDER
AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
PROVIDING FALSE INFORMATION TO LEO

DATE OF OCCURENCE: JUNE 16-2008 TO JULY 16-2008
TIME OF OCCURENCE: UNKNOWN

ADDRESS OF OCCURENCE: 4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
ZONE 20


CALEE MARIE ANTONY-DECEASED
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155354.pdf

So this means she was killed at home?

I believe LE would've put the home address as where Caylee was killed because the cadaver dogs alerted in the back yard. At some time her deceased body was at the house so it's reasonable to think she was killed there. MOO

 

[Koozit]

I'd like to know if the dogs were allowed inside the house and garage as well. Can't help thinking of all those plastic tub/storage bins in the A's garage. And that other case mentioned before where a woman's body was found in a storage container in her garage during a search with (guilty) hubby's permission. Could Caylee have been in one back then with no one the wiser?

I made that statment back in Aug. about those rubbermaid tub's mind's do think a like..... Hmmmmm

 

[MD MOMMY]

I remember in a media interview CA said something to the effect that the dogs didn't hit inside the house..does anyone else remember that? It was from a while ago. I always found it hinky. She referred to the dogs being inside the house at some point.