Planned?

[beesy]

Mary, the next 2 years would be my estimate also. We do it quick here in Texas.

Yeah I saw a stand up comic and he said that TX is putting in an express lane:dance:

 

[beesy]

Not quick enough, but at least Texas does it eventually! Just out of curiosity I checked to see how long they spend on death row before being executed. The last execution on July 28, the guy was there a little under seven years.

Clock's ticking though, she's been on death row since 1997! Tick Tock.....soon, Darlie, soon.

 

[Goody]

Yep, Heart, I think it's going to go very quickly from this point on. Darlie's best chance rested on the errors in the transcript, but that's all bye-bye.

The transcript errors cannot be appealed to the federal level? Whynot?

 

[Goody]

:laugh: Hey Mary, the Darlies continue to say that the bloody prints found on the utility room door and table don't match anyone in the family or in the house that night. Is this true, or have they not been tested? It's so hard to know what's real and what is a Chris lie. I know you've read alot of the trial transcripts so I figure you know, or anybody else jump in also.

The family has been ruled out, although I don't know if they tested anyone other than the immediate family (Darlie, Darin, and the kids). The partial print is smudged so that a positive ID cannot be made, but some people can be eliminated. I think there are three patterns in fingerprints. One of them is the whorl. (Forgotten what they call the other two.) The smudged print in question has a whorl pattern as does one of Devon's fingers and Darlie's ring finger. We know that Devon wasn't up and running around the room after he was attacked, so whose print do you think it might be?

 

[beesy]

No, she doesn't. Here's a website:

If the prisoner loses in the Court of Criminal Appeals, he/she may then appeal the case to the following courts:
the Texas Supreme Court;
the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; and finally to
the United States Supreme Court.
Clemency

I'm still confused about this part. I understand the clemency at the end though. So how many chances in the Court of Criminal Appeals itself, 1 chance? Then next is the TX Supreme Ct, 1 chance? then the US Circuit Court of Appeals, 1 chance ? Then the US Supreme Ct, 1 chance?
Where is Darlie as far as appeals now, finished with the state correct?
Life in prison without parole would really bother Darlie, death row is alot better than being in gen. pop. but, I don't see her getting anything but the BIG ONE!

 

[Mary456]

The transcript errors cannot be appealed to the federal level? Whynot?

Because the transcript issue was already argued in her direct appeal, and Judge Francis rejected it. Except for a small portion, the entire transcript was reconstructed with audiotapes.

Theoretically, I suppose it could be argued again at the Federal level, but realistically, I don't see it happening.

 

[beesy]

The family has been ruled out, although I don't know if they tested anyone other than the immediate family (Darlie, Darin, and the kids). The partial print is smudged so that a positive ID cannot be made, but some people can be eliminated. I think there are three patterns in fingerprints. One of them is the whorl. (Forgotten what they call the other two.) The smudged print in question has a whorl pattern as does one of Devon's fingers and Darlie's ring finger. We know that Devon wasn't up and running around the room after he was attacked, so whose print do you think it might be?

This is troubling to me. It takes only one unidentified bloody print in a key area of the crime scene to support the intruder theory :waitasec:

 

[Cassata11]

Well, if you make any break thrus, please share it because we are still trying to sort it all out.

Ain't that the truth!

I spent yet another day reading closing arguments. I wanted to know if "planning" was part of the closing statements. Nope not that word! Just "staging".

How I would love to know actually how often Darlie slept with the boys downstairs.

(if it was me)..Depressed, tired, stressed, on anti-depressants, drinking wine...I wouldn't ask my kids to stay up while I crash on the couch...

I need a nap..my eyes hurt from the faded print on the transcripts!

Have a good weekend!

Cassata

 

[Goody]

Hey everybody, go to the link below and vote for Kaysar (unless you are already a Big Brother fan and have ideas of your own). I would just love it if you would. I am trying to get him back into the house just to tick off his enemies, who singled him out in the beginning and were quite mean to him.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother6/_polls/amc_poll.shtml

 

[Goody]

This is troubling to me. It takes only one unidentified bloody print in a key area of the crime scene to support the intruder theory :waitasec:

Don't be too troubled by it. It is not unusual not to find any identifiable fingerprints at all at a crime scene. Remember this one is only a partial and it cannot be ID'd. The fact that it indicates the bearer had small hands and was most likely an adult female and has a whorl pattern at least similar to Darlie's ring finger is what is truly important about it. She can't be ruled out. To me, that says a lot more than any possibilty it might have belonged to some unknown midget.

 

[beesy]

Don't be too troubled by it. It is not unusual not to find any identifiable fingerprints at all at a crime scene. Remember this one is only a partial and it cannot be ID'd. The fact that it indicates the bearer had small hands and was most likely an adult female and has a whorl pattern at least similar to Darlie's ring finger is what is truly important about it. She can't be ruled out. To me, that says a lot more than any possibilty it might have belonged to some unknown midget.

The bloody print on the UR door and table are both smudged partials?

 

[Goody]

Because the transcript issue was already argued in her direct appeal, and Judge Francis rejected it. Except for a small portion, the entire transcript was reconstructed with audiotapes.

But the direct appeal is only state level. Why can't it be challenged again in the federal court? Did she waive the right to do that for some reason? I wish Jeana would weigh in here.

 

[Goody]

The bloody print on the UR door and table are both smudged partials?

Yep. They did find one of Darin's on the door but it was not in blood and could have been left anytime previous to the murders. That is my understanding of it.

 

[beesy]

Yep. They did find one of Darin's on the door but it was not in blood and could have been left anytime previous to the murders. That is my understanding of it.

Ok, thank you....True Grit was on TV the other night, thought about you...

 

[Cowgirl]

I'm still confused about this part. I understand the clemency at the end though. So how many chances in the Court of Criminal Appeals itself, 1 chance? Then next is the TX Supreme Ct, 1 chance? then the US Circuit Court of Appeals, 1 chance ? Then the US Supreme Ct, 1 chance?
Where is Darlie as far as appeals now, finished with the state correct?
Life in prison without parole would really bother Darlie, death row is alot better than being in gen. pop. but, I don't see her getting anything but the BIG ONE!

Death Row is better than Gen Pop? I am curious why you would think so? They also didn't have LWOP when she got sentenced so it is not an option. Life is, but she won't get it. Even with clemency, the state will try her for the other child.

Mountainview and Gatesville are campus style pens with cubicles and single cells both. Gen pop walks to mess, walks to work, has a bit of normal movement. Death Row stays on the cellblock, cannot have a job, cannot go to school, just sit and wait to die. How would that be better?

 

[lauriej]

Death Row is better than Gen Pop? I am curious why you would think so? They also didn't have LWOP when she got sentenced so it is not an option. Life is, but she won't get it. Even with clemency, the state will try her for the other child.

Mountainview and Gatesville are campus style pens with cubicles and single cells both. Gen pop walks to mess, walks to work, has a bit of normal movement. Death Row stays on the cellblock, cannot have a job, cannot go to school, just sit and wait to die. How would that be better?

.........if her life were in danger, threatened etc by the other gen. pop. inmates.( ie: jeffrey dalmer)........then she's safer on DR........

...although personally, i can't wait until it's her turn in texas........

 

[beesy]

Death Row is better than Gen Pop? I am curious why you would think so? They also didn't have LWOP when she got sentenced so it is not an option. Life is, but she won't get it. Even with clemency, the state will try her for the other child.

Mountainview and Gatesville are campus style pens with cubicles and single cells both. Gen pop walks to mess, walks to work, has a bit of normal movement. Death Row stays on the cellblock, cannot have a job, cannot go to school, just sit and wait to die. How would that be better?

as lauriej said, Death Row is safer and you are with fewer other women. Why would Darlie want a job anyway? I doubt Darlie likes to walk much either. Things just aren't as icky on Death Row, besides the fact that you're waiting to die, of course LOL, you have less people to put up with. Gen Pop is filled with the type of people Darlie has never been around before. Not that she's been around Death Row inmates, but there are fewer to adjust to.

She obviously has access to hair care products and makeup. From what I've read a bond is formed with the others on Death Row. And I was just goofing around about her getting LWOP, she'll die, I know she will. And I know with clemency she'll be charged with Devon's murder.

 

[Cowgirl]

as lauriej said, Death Row is safer and you are with fewer other women. Why would Darlie want a job anyway? I doubt Darlie likes to walk much either. Things just aren't as icky on Death Row, besides the fact that you're waiting to die, of course LOL, you have less people to put up with. Gen Pop is filled with the type of people Darlie has never been around before. Not that she's been around Death Row inmates, but there are fewer to adjust to.

She obviously has access to hair care products and makeup. From what I've read a bond is formed with the others on Death Row. And I was just goofing around about her getting LWOP, she'll die, I know she will. And I know with clemency she'll be charged with Devon's murder.

I have spoken with TDC inmates and I have an old friend who was in Gatesville three times, the last time for 3 years. She worked in the factory there where they make uniforms for the women as well as drapes and linens and such for state hospitals and another time she worked in the laundry which she hated because it was so hot with no A/C. She said they had a beauty school there and that you could have your hair cut or permed there but that they didn't allow you to change the color (I guess for escape reasons or something.) She said her day was filled with going to work, going to mess hall, going back to work, going to dinner, going to school in the evening. She would do just about anything to get out of the dorm or cell (and she was in both at different times.) She would drop a form for church, the doctor (even if she had no reason), the dentist--anything to get out of the cell. Weekends were tough she said unless she had a visit and they didn't have outside rec every weekend, just now and then. During the week it was just like the free world except you didn't get to go home at night, you went back to your cell or dorm cubicle.

When I asked Debbie about the danger, she said that women's prison is nothing like men's as far as danger goes. She made friends easily though, so it could be different for a baby murderer. But Debbie was in there with Lucinda Stout, a mom murderer, and several women who were doing long terms for baby murdering, one got 25 years for starving her baby to death and another got 99 years for killing her baby, but they didn't do that much time before the law changed back in the 90's to the minimum 40.

But on death row, you sit in the cell all day. No job. No school. TV if you want to watch what everyone else wants to watch. Writing letters is all they do. They can drop a form to go to the Law Library, but I don't know how often they get to go. Other than that, they sit. Even church--the minister comes to them and they stay in their cells. With cellmates on either side, you better like them or else you have no one to talk to. Talk about stir crazy! As far as cosmetics, you can buy Maybelline products on commissary, but TDC does not allow any gift packages or anything but publications from the publisher or yarn from a craft company. Shampoo and such are very limited--not much selection, but they have it if you have the money.

If it were I, I would much prefer to go to a job and school than to sit and look at the same cellmates all day, every day. I think I would rather be dead. You are, anyway, on death row. You just haven't lain down yet.

 

[Dani_T]

But on death row, you sit in the cell all day. No job. No school. TV if you want to watch what everyone else wants to watch. Writing letters is all they do. They can drop a form to go to the Law Library, but I don't know how often they get to go. Other than that, they sit. Even church--the minister comes to them and they stay in their cells. With cellmates on either side, you better like them or else you have no one to talk to. Talk about stir crazy! As far as cosmetics, you can buy Maybelline products on commissary, but TDC does not allow any gift packages or anything but publications from the publisher or yarn from a craft company. Shampoo and such are very limited--not much selection, but they have it if you have the money.

I read that Darlie spends her days in a lounge-room with the other DR female inmates sewing quilts. And she looks pretty spiffed up in those photos on JFD.com

 

[Goody]

I read that Darlie spends her days in a lounge-room with the other DR female inmates sewing quilts. And she looks pretty spiffed up in those photos on JFD.com

I don't think that is correct, Dani. Death row is secluded from the rest of the prison and they probably have some lounge time, but it would never be most of the day. Someone might know her schedule, but I would think it wouldn't be more than once or twice a week for a specific time period. It sure would be interesting to learn what the other death row inmates think of her though. If they are spending any regular time together, after 9 years, they should have thoughts of their own about her.