GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[Magic8Ball]

Certainly! I just meant Ramsland could reread his work and discuss it with him, if he agrees to meet with her.

Regardless of the quality of his undergraduate writing, but I think there would unfortunately be a market for his written work, if BK agreed to publish any of it. Think of all the “murderabilia” out there for other crazed killers.

IMO

Ohhhhhh, I dunno....

I still haven't added Ted Kaczynski's manifesto or OJ's "If I Did It" to my TBR list.

I don't think I've read any killer's publications, mostly on account of, I know it's all a work of fiction.

If I want to read great crime fiction, I'll read one of my favorite mystery authors.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I think Judge Hippler might be inclined to lift that gag order now that the plea has been entered and accepted.

I'm not sure Thompson's argument(s) for keeping things sealed until after sentencing is going to hold a lot of water when balanced against the public records laws.

The fact that AT indicated the defense had no problem with keeping them sealed until after sentencing may make the judge more inclined to leave them sealed until after BK's sentencing hearing, though.

My tentative read based on the short discussion they had at the plea hearing was that Thompson definitely wants them kept sealed, AT doesn't care, and the judge himself doesn't see why it's necessary to have them sealed any more.

JMO.

Both Thompson and Taylor agreed for the gag order to be after the sentencing hearing.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Ohhhhhh, I dunno....

I still haven't added Ted Kaczynski's manifesto or OJ's "If I Did It" to my TBR list.

I don't think I've read any killer's publications, mostly on account of, I know it's all a work of fiction.

If I want to read great crime fiction, I'll read one of my favorite mystery authors.

I’m not a fan of murderabilia either, but nonetheless it exists. I, like you, would much prefer to read a well-crafted murder mystery, without gore, if possible.

 

[whiterhino]

Yes, I remember that, @PunishThenForgive.

Thanks for bringing that forward.

I haven't read up on all to do with Dr. Ramsland, but I think I picked up on her expressing some regret that she wasn't "able" to see BK for what he was back when she knew him, and would like to do so now, "in hindsight".

It's gotta be tearing her up right now, her former student admitting to these atrocities, and her being "none the wiser", and wanting to seek some sort of recompense.

JMO.

So many victims

RBBM

I think we need to keep in mind that Dr. Ramsland wasn't BKs only professor, just the one with the most well known name. There are others whom haven't been interviewed and we have no idea what their take is on everything. JMO. FWIW.

 

[whiterhino]

Ohhhhhh, I dunno....

I still haven't added Ted Kaczynski's manifesto or OJ's "If I Did It" to my TBR list.

I don't think I've read any killer's publications, mostly on account of, I know it's all a work of fiction.

If I want to read great crime fiction, I'll read one of my favorite mystery authors.

Put Picktons book on that list too!

 

[Magic8Ball]

Both Thompson and Taylor agreed for the gag order to be after the sentencing hearing.

Yep, that may be the only thing that gives the judge (literal) pause as far as unsealing the records.

It really is his decision, though. The media does have an interest, so it's basically the media v. the State, and AT's indicated she agrees with the State's position.

The judge will weigh whatever legal argument Thompson can make against the media's arguments.

I'm not sure that Thompson will convince Judge H. there's a substantive reason to keep them under a gag order now that the plea has been entered and accepted.

I like the media's chances of getting these records unsealed.

JMO.

 

[browneyes]

.....Aaaaaaand he just couldn't help himself.

This statement by SG would have been so much more admirable had it not included (yet another) passive-aggressive jab at the prosecution team.

Literally everything he says morphs into an attack on the people who are actually locking his daughter's killer away in a cell for the rest of his life.

He appears to have dug himself in to this mindset of LE being the enemy, and he's either unwilling or unable to climb out of it right now.

It's so unfortunate.

I feel very badly for him, but I wish someone close to him could keep him from social media and the press. He needs to calm his soul before he can heal and neither platform is good for him. I also feel, imho, that his constant criticism makes it seem the other victims aren’t as important. He needs and deserves a way to navigate this.

 

[gremlin444]

RE: what to classify BK as (mass, serial, etc)

I think many of us feel that the reason we have to call him a mass murderer is because he was stopped going further on the path he seemed to be on to becoming a serial killer.

If he hadn't left the knife sheath there and there hadn't been a bit of his DNA in the snap.....what would his behaviors have been like after these murders? If he felt like there was absolutely no way the police were going to start looking at him, what might we have seen? Would he have gone ahead with purchasing another knife and sheath? How long would he have been able to wait before he started seeking out new locations and victims? How would have losing his TA position have changed any future murder plans he had....if he had to move back to live with his parents, would he have dared to try again while living with his parents or would he have felt like he needed to wait until he could afford to move out on his own?

 

[LAborn]

Certainly! I just meant Ramsland could reread his work and discuss it with him, if he agrees to meet with her.

Regardless of its quality, I think there will unfortunately be a market for his written work if BK agrees to publish any of it. Think of all the “murderabilia” out there for other crazed killers.

IMO

Why do you think she'd want to have anything to do with him?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Yep, that may be the only thing that gives the judge (literal) pause as far as unsealing the records.

It really is his decision, though. The media does have an interest, so it's basically the media v. the State, and AT will basically indicate she would agree with the State's position.

The judge will weigh whatever legal argument Thompson can make against the media's arguments.

I'm not sure that Thompson will convince Judge H. there's a substantive reason to keep them under a gag order now that the plea has been entered and accepted.

I like the media's chances of getting these records unsealed.

JMO.

In the plea hearing transcript, Hippler asks about the gag order, and Thompson said he’s fine with it being lifted after the sentencing hearing so the prosecution can prepare for the media onslaught. AT agreed, and Hippler said he was fine with that.

No one mentioned the unsealing of court docs during the plea hearing, which I think is different from the gag order.

We still can’t see the motions listed in the Case Summary since they haven’t been posted yet on the Idaho Cases of Interest page, but it appears the press may want Hippler to lift the gag order now, instead of waiting until July 24.

Gag order = nondissimenation order

ETA: IANAL, so if anyone knows that lifting the gag order means we’ll get to see sealed documents, too, please let us know! I just assumed by “gag” order they mean LE and the lawyers can’t speak to the press. I really want to see the unsealed docs that don’t violate privacy—but I fear these may be handled on a case by case basis by Hippler, and that many may stay sealed unless the press uses FOIA requests.

 

[Sachi]

Why do you think she'd want to have anything to do with him?

KR snipped from Huff Post article Bryan Kohberger's Former Professor Wonders If She 'Inspired' Him To Commit Idaho Murders

“I’ve been thinking about that for two and a half years. I would, this is my work. If he wanted to do that, I would,” she said. “And now, within the framework of this what we do — to try to look at developmental trajectories, the triggers — so that we can see the red flags faster, we can prevent people like this from wreaking the havoc that they do.”
She continued: “So if he wanted to do that, I know that he’s got the intellectual capacity to do it — to be self-reflective, to help think through how his life came to this. And, so, I would definitely do it if he were willing. It would be hard, but I think because I have so much material from him, I have questions for him that I think nobody else but me could ask.”

 

[Boxer]

Both Thompson and Taylor agreed for the gag order to be after the sentencing hearing.

MOO holding off till sentencing that is appropriate.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I think Judge Hippler might be inclined to lift that gag order now that the plea has been entered and accepted.

I'm not sure Thompson's argument for keeping things sealed until after sentencing is going to hold a lot of water when balanced against the public records laws.

The fact that AT indicated the defense had no problem with keeping them sealed until after sentencing may make the judge more inclined to leave them sealed until after BK's sentencing hearing, though.

My tentative read based on the short discussion they had at the plea hearing was that Thompson definitely wants them kept sealed, AT doesn't care, and the judge himself doesn't see why it's necessary to have them sealed any more.

JMO.

Good tentative read on the current situation, @Magic8Ball, IMO.

As you've said, the parties are all perhaps needing to be/hunkered down in their own parties, for all their own reasons, so many reasons, it's mind blowing, IMO.

I think the Prosecutors on this case are wanting to keep things sealed up tight as long as possible.

Because they have waaaay more evidence than needed or shared with the public (despite the gag order), to put BK away forever and a day.

IMO, they are probably equally super excited to just let everyone know what evidence they have that he did what he did, but out of "an abundance of caution", and to spare feelings of those trounced on forever by BK....

I think they are only just hoping that they won't have to be parsing out all the bits and pieces of the heinousness for all to see and feel, to protect the victims and their families, their murders being SO HORRIFIC

I can't imagine it... Poor Bill... he seems like such a decent guy, but what a catastrophy of monumental proportions he's had to deal with *ETA: from Day One* and can do nothing about. Only wanting to do what he can to help the wounded/victims get some justice, however it may appear to the outside world.

JMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Yep, that may be the only thing that gives the judge (literal) pause as far as unsealing the records.

It really is his decision, though. The media does have an interest, so it's basically the media v. the State, and AT's indicated she agrees with the State's position.

The judge will weigh whatever legal argument Thompson can make against the media's arguments.

I'm not sure that Thompson will convince Judge H. there's a substantive reason to keep them under a gag order now that the plea has been entered and accepted.

I like the media's chances of getting these records unsealed.

JMO.

What would be BT’s (or AT’s) concerns about lifting the NDO now? Just wanting to have everything buttoned up tight before all the evidence starts spilling out?

Added: @PunishThenForgive just gave me a reason (above #931). Thank you

 

[Magic8Ball]

KR snipped from Huff Post article Bryan Kohberger's Former Professor Wonders If She 'Inspired' Him To Commit Idaho Murders

“I’ve been thinking about that for two and a half years. I would, this is my work. If he wanted to do that, I would,” she said. “And now, within the framework of this what we do — to try to look at developmental trajectories, the triggers — so that we can see the red flags faster, we can prevent people like this from wreaking the havoc that they do.”
She continued: “So if he wanted to do that, I know that he’s got the intellectual capacity to do it — to be self-reflective, to help think through how his life came to this. And, so, I would definitely do it if he were willing. It would be hard, but I think because I have so much material from him, I have questions for him that I think nobody else but me could ask.”

So stunning and brave.

JMO.

 

[Arkay]

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So stunning and brave. https://websleuths.com/attachments/1751938672712-webp.600543/

JMO.

KR snipped from Huff Post article Bryan Kohberger's Former Professor Wonders If She 'Inspired' Him To Commit Idaho Murders

“I’ve been thinking about that for two and a half years. I would, this is my work. If he wanted to do that, I would,” she said. “And now, within the framework of this what we do — to try to look at developmental trajectories, the triggers — so that we can see the red flags faster, we can prevent people like this from wreaking the havoc that they do.”
She continued: “So if he wanted to do that, I know that he’s got the intellectual capacity to do it — to be self-reflective, to help think through how his life came to this. And, so, I would definitely do it if he were willing. It would be hard, but I think because I have so much material from him, I have questions for him that I think nobody else but me could ask.”

Yeah. Too much about herself. Looking for an opportunity, it seems, but is it for the benefit to society, or for her own money, fame and glory?

I can’t tell. Probably some of both.

IMO

 

[Magic8Ball]

What would be BT’s (or AT’s) concerns about lifting the NDO now? Just wanting to have everything buttoned up tight before all the evidence starts spilling out?

Added: @PunishThenForgive just gave me a reason (above #931). Thank you

I'm not saying this would be BT's concern, but let's all take a moment to imagine how SG is going to react when the sealed evidence comes to light and people who've been under a gag order start spilling the tea.

He's already displayed animus toward LE, the prosecution and the judge.
That alone is an argument for waiting until after sentencing.

Learning even more of the case details is going to be a heavy lift for all the families.
It would probably be a kindness to allow them to get through their impact statements first.

JMO.

 

[INfisherman]

MOO holding off till sentencing that is appropriate.

Agree 100%. Let the families have their day(s) for impact statements & allow them to leave the courthouse without having a reporter in their faces asking how they feel knowing BK did XYZ to their child, based on unsealed evidence. Let the families get back to their own spaces & choose to come forward addressing anything they wish concerning anything under the blanket of the gag order on their terms. They’ve earned & at the very least deserve that. Plus it may offer certain individuals a bit more of a cooling off period rather than publicly facing those difficult moments in the public eye.

MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Both Thompson and Taylor agreed for the gag order to be after the sentencing hearing.

Oh boy. I just saw that I omitted the word “lifted”:

Both BT and AT agreed for the gag order to the lifted after the sentencing hearing.

Anyway, it was the second of three posts on the same topic, but I apologize if I caused any confusion.

 

[browneyes]

I’m in the minority, but I do not think BK saw DM. I just can’t see him going right by an eye witness. I realize he is exhausted but he also had adrenaline flowing.

I say at least every day since the plea…I wish the slider would have been locked. In no way am I blaming them, just wishing things were different.

I also still question the two traffic stops of BK and his dad not being set up.

May everyone start healing after this monster is locked away.