GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[LAborn]

Interesting to me that Dylan had called her friends over prior to November 13 “I’m scared can you bring your boyfriends over” but “it was never anything serious….something like a pan fell”. As told by Emily’s roommate in episode 1. This really stood out to me!!!!! I’m sure there are texts/ calls that can pinpoint these past events on Dylan’s phone, I wonder if they line up with the times that BK’s phone pinged in the area.

Good catch. Considering how many times BK had been tracked to the King house over the weeks before the murders, it wouldn't surprise me if he had entered the house before that night. After the fact the friend group clearly knew that they had been stalked.

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Good catch. Considering how many times BK had been tracked to the King house over the weeks before the murders, it wouldn't surprise me if he had entered the house before that night. After the fact the friend group clearly knew that they had been stalked.

I agree BK had almost certainly been inside the house before 11/13/22. One big reason is the house had such an unusual floorplan. You can't tell by just driving by or peeking in the windows how to immediately get to a certain bedroom.

I go into hundreds of houses a year for my job. Things never look quite the same in person as you may have imagined beforehand - especially stairways.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

BK knew well before the end of Sept, 2022, that he was not performing satisfactorily in his position as a TA, and the problems and complaints against him only piled up as the semester went on, as documented in the linked article attached. I am convinced that he knew before or certainly by Nov 13, that he would not be returning for the spring semester, as the almost certain loss of position also meant financial loss, including loss of tuition waiver and a monthly stipend. I believe the rapidly-approaching end of fall semester was key in BK's determination to proceed with what I think had become an uncontrollable urge to commit the murders that we now know that he planned for and committed. It may have been as simple as, he knew that he was running out of time. When he left Pullman on Dec 13, 2022, I think BK thought he was leaving that area forever. He had no idea that his DNA would take him back, and likely make that area the last place that he will ever live. JMO

Bryan Kohberger was fired from WSU teaching job days before Idaho murders arrest

His attitude towards women was cited as a key concern, with the criminal justice student allegedly having a ‘sexist attitude towards females he interacted with at the school’

www.the-independent.com

Thanks for the interesting article.
To me, I don’t think BK’s repeatedly getting called on the carpet for his behavior was a trigger for him killing four students because I think he had already decided that was something he was going to do before he even left for WSU. I think the fact he bought the knife that spring is a huge indicator of that.
Maybe his belligerent responses to the university trying to reign him in was partly due to his not caring if he returned or not, because his reason for coming was to commit murder, not to further his academic career.
I don’t think BK had any “urge” to kill anybody. In my opinion, he carefully planned it out. He wanted to do it. If not in Idaho, somewhere. If not that house, some house. If not that November, some day.
I really think he felt this was more of an academic experiment, and because he felt so superior to everyone else, that gave him free rein.
He’s evil. I doubt he feels or cares a thing about what he did. He feels he had a right to kill them. He plead because he finally realized he wasn’t going to get away with it and he didn’t want to face the firing squad. He’d have the rest of his life to relive and study it in his mind. I very much doubt any discussion from his family led to him pleading guilty. They are as inferior as the rest of us to him. Psychopaths think of everybody as just wooden markers on a game board to be moved and manipulated as they see fit. BK is a psychopath.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

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[Tillyjames]

Maddie’s mom and Ethan’s parents were really inspiring after watching the Amazon documentary. I feel empathy for Emily, not having goals anymore and seeming to be stuck. I think with time, she will be able to live life again but glad she has Hunter. It seems like the reminder of the house was really tough for the friends and family, so I’m glad that it was torn down for their sakes. I enjoyed the documentary and seeing the families speak.

 

[DizzyB]

Thanks for the interesting article.
To me, I don’t think BK’s repeatedly getting called on the carpet for his behavior was a trigger for him killing four students because I think he had already decided that was something he was going to do before he even left for WSU. I think the fact he bought the knife that spring is a huge indicator of that.
Maybe his belligerent responses to the university trying to reign him in was partly due to his not caring if he returned or not, because his reason for coming was to commit murder, not to further his academic career.
I don’t think BK had any “urge” to kill anybody. In my opinion, he carefully planned it out. He wanted to do it. If not in Idaho, somewhere. If not that house, some house. If not that November, some day.
I really think he felt this was more of an academic experiment, and because he felt so superior to everyone else, that gave him free rein.
He’s evil. I doubt he feels or cares a thing about what he did. He feels he had a right to kill them. He plead because he finally realized he wasn’t going to get away with it and he didn’t want to face the firing squad. He’d have the rest of his life to relive and study it in his mind. I very much doubt any discussion from his family led to him pleading guilty. They are as inferior as the rest of us to him. Psychopaths think of everybody as just wooden markers on a game board to be moved and manipulated as they see fit. BK is a psychopath.

Idk, for me his belligerence might have been his own internal sense of right and wrong. He could not conform because he thought that his thinking was the correct way, and he had no use for other’s opinions. I am sure he could be diagnosed with something, but I have no idea what. His flat affect, the stare, inability to read social cues, they are not what made him murder. I wonder if his parents worried about how he would adapt to living on his own for the first time. If he went to rehab for his addiction in the past, would he have met with psychologists and counselors? Or did he quit on his own, without a program?

 

[Miss Poovy]

@al66pine, this link will take you to the YouTube video:

Steve Goncalves apologizes to his daughter

SG also states in this interview he & his family are discussing not giving a victim impact statement. It’s an interesting video.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Thanks for the interesting article.
To me, I don’t think BK’s repeatedly getting called on the carpet for his behavior was a trigger for him killing four students because I think he had already decided that was something he was going to do before he even left for WSU. I think the fact he bought the knife that spring is a huge indicator of that.
Maybe his belligerent responses to the university trying to reign him in was partly due to his not caring if he returned or not, because his reason for coming was to commit murder, not to further his academic career.
I don’t think BK had any “urge” to kill anybody. In my opinion, he carefully planned it out. He wanted to do it. If not in Idaho, somewhere. If not that house, some house. If not that November, some day.
I really think he felt this was more of an academic experiment, and because he felt so superior to everyone else, that gave him free rein.
He’s evil. I doubt he feels or cares a thing about what he did. He feels he had a right to kill them. He plead because he finally realized he wasn’t going to get away with it and he didn’t want to face the firing squad. He’d have the rest of his life to relive and study it in his mind. I very much doubt any discussion from his family led to him pleading guilty. They are as inferior as the rest of us to him. Psychopaths think of everybody as just wooden markers on a game board to be moved and manipulated as they see fit. BK is a psychopath.

It also could be that he thought he wouldn't get caught. We have some evidence of that. Even the knife sheath might not have bothered him if he believed, erroneously, that there was no DNA on it.

He may have also hated grad school. That's a fairly common thing at the PhD level, which is demanding and requires a lot of ability to navigate rules and expectations.

 

[Vaderman]

SG also states in this interview he & his family are discussing not giving a victim impact statement. It’s an interesting video.

I think things could get ugly if he spoke at the sentencing and refraining from doing so would be in his best interest.

I think the Dateline episode must have been a gut punch for SG. The documentary noted that MM was the target. For so long, SG had spoken as if his daughter was the main target. Hearing that the senseless murder of your daughter was merely collateral damage had to have devastated him.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Plus they are college students, it's common to sleep til noon on a weekend.

I sleep till noon on the weekends, and I am long past college.

 

[angelainwi]

I sleep till noon on the weekends, and I am long past college.

I sleep until noon everyday, I am disabled.

 

[Ghostwheel]

BK now has the answers to his own questionnaire. IF (and I don't know because I am not a mental health specialist, nor do I play one on TV) BK is indeed a sociopathic individual, these murders could all be collateral damage of his "need to know". I keep wondering if he chose the house because of the layout or because he thought it would be conducive to "the perfect crime". And I still wonder if the room off the kitchen (DM's room) was the goal, but the door was closed and locked. Original plan in, closest room, kill, out. Unless he says, we'll never know.

But I keep thinking less to do with incel, more to do with a total disregard for others, except as players to manipulate in his own internal scripting.

 

[seasideForest]

I feel empathy for Emily, not having goals anymore and seeming to be stuck. I think with time, she will be able to live life again but glad she has Hunter.

I haven't watched the docu, so don't know if this was mentioned. I hope she can get some good therapy, maybe even trauma therapy to help her move forward again, find goals and so on. JMO

It seems like the reminder of the house was really tough for the friends and family, so I’m glad that it was torn down for their sakes.

Yes, in hindsight it was a good thing. And they didn't need it in order to convict BK since he pled guilty. I remember when the decision was made to tear it down that some people were worried about conviction despite a model being made.

MOO

 

[mmeynstyn]

Just getting started on watching the Prime Video documentary: One Night In Idaho The College Murders, and something occurred to me. For the Victim Impact Statements, I think the families should celebrate the life of the victims - rub it in BK's face. Talk about how XK and EC found each other and were in love; MM and KG full of life and continue to bring smiles to people's faces, etc.

IMO, BK had no feelings, no empathy. Nothing anyone says is going to hurt him or make him feel any remorse. But...talking about the victims living the life he never had and will never have may tick him off. He may want all the attention on him. Make it about them.

Now I am going to continue with this documentary.

 

[Vaderman]

For the Victim Impact Statements, I think the families should celebrate the life of the victims

I love this.

I was asked to provide a victim impact statement for the sentencing of the person who killed my best friend in a vehicular homicide case. I didn't know what that was (my pre-webseluths days) so I did a search for examples.

I didn't like the vitriol in the examples I found nor the focus on the accused. I decided instead to essentially "eulogize" my friend.

After the sentencing, the victims' advocate said my letter had especially persuaded the judge. Focusing on who and what I lost was more important to the judge than how much I despised the person who took him away.

 

[sassyblue]

In Idaho, victim impact statements can describe the emotional, physical, and financial impact of a crime on the victim and their family. They can also address the impact on the victim's ability to sleep, fear, and other personal characteristics, as well as the overall loss to the community due to the victim's death. However, these statements should not include opinions about the defendant or the appropriate sentence. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Elaboration:
Victim impact statements are an important part of the sentencing process in Idaho. They allow victims to share their experiences and how the crime has affected them, which can help the court understand the full impact of the crime. [1, 6]
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Emotional Impact: Victims can describe the emotional distress, fear, anxiety, depression, and other psychological effects they have experienced as a result of the crime. [1, 1, 2, 2, 7, 8]
• Physical Impact: Victims can describe any physical injuries, pain, or medical treatment they have needed as a result of the crime. [1, 1, 2, 2, 7, 9, 10, 11]
• Financial Impact: Victims can describe the financial losses they have incurred, such as lost wages, medical expenses, property damage, and other out-of-pocket costs. [1, 1, 7, 7]
• Impact on Daily Life: Victims can describe how the crime has affected their ability to sleep, work, go to school, or participate in other activities. [1, 1, 4, 4, 12, 13]
• Loss to the Community (in cases of homicide): In cases of homicide, the statement can also address the victim's uniqueness as an individual and the loss to the community. [3, 3]
• What NOT to Include: Victim impact statements should not include characterizations or opinions about the crime, the defendant, or the appropriate sentence, according to the Idaho Supreme Court. [3, 3, 5, 5]

Important Considerations:

• Right to be Heard: Victims have the right to be heard at sentencing and can choose to submit a written statement, speak in court, or have a representative read their statement. [6, 6, 14, 14]
• Right to Restitution: Victims also have the right to seek restitution (financial compensation) for their losses, according to Idaho Legal Aid. [7, 7, 15, 15]
• Consultation with Presentence Investigator: Victims have the right to be consulted by the presentence investigator and to have a statement of the crime's impact on them included in the presentence report, which is given to the judge before sentencing. [16, 16, 17, 17]
• Confidentiality of Presentence Report: Victims are allowed to read the presentence report before sentencing, but they must keep its contents confidential, except for what they tell the prosecutor or the court, says Idaho Legal Aid. [16, 16]

AI responses may include mistakes.
[1] Victim Impact Statements - Victim Support Services
[2] https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-vns/victim-impact-statements
[3] https://ag.idaho.gov/content/uploads/2018/04/VictimsRights.pdf
[4] https://www.spokanecounty.org/DocumentCenter/View/541/Sample-Victim-Impact-Statement-PDF?bidId
[5] https://isc.idaho.gov/jury/criminal/1700/ICJI-1704.docx
[6] https://adacounty.id.gov/prosecutor/victim-assistance/victim-resources-contacts-links/
[7] https://ncvli.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Select-Victims-Rights-Idaho.pdf
[8] https://federal-criminal.com/sentencing/victim-impact-statements-influence-on-federal-sentencing-decisions/
[9] Victims of Crime: Impact Statement Program
[10] https://www.centrecountypa.gov/563/Victim-Impact-Statements
[11] https://www.alfainternational.com/compendium/insurance-law/idaho/
[12] https://www.printfriendly.com/document/victim-impact-statement-guidance-form
[13] https://www.timwrightlaw.com/post/the-role-of-witnesses-in-personal-injury-cases
[14] https://www.justice.gov/usao-id/victim-witness
[15] Section 19-5304 – Idaho State Legislature
[16] https://www.idaholegalaid.org/sites/default/files/Idaho_Manual_on_Rights_of Victims_of_Crime.pdf
[17] https://www.cassia.gov/prosecuting-attorney-faqs

 

[LAborn]

I haven't watched the docu, so don't know if this was mentioned. I hope she can get some good therapy, maybe even trauma therapy to help her move forward again, find goals and so on. JMO


Yes, in hindsight it was a good thing. And they didn't need it in order to convict BK since he pled guilty. I remember when the decision was made to tear it down that some people were worried about conviction despite a model being made.

MOO

Living through trauma, having PTSD impacts victims for life. I hope all the friends/family find a path to proceed in this life. It's tough to see life and goals in the same way (optimistically)--the event basically destroys everything you thought you knew about the world, especially if it happens when the victim is young. The Prime documentary gutted me....those kids were so full of light and love, truly would have continued to contribute good to those around them. Now the survivors are shellshocked, shadows of their former selves. They are brave to participate in any media, but think the love for their murdered friends and children is what propels them.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I love this.

I was asked to provide a victim impact statement for the sentencing of the person who killed my best friend in a vehicular homicide case. I didn't know what that was (my pre-webseluths days) so I did a search for examples.

I didn't like the vitriol in the examples I found nor the focus on the accused. I decided instead to essentially "eulogize" my friend.

After the sentencing, the victims' advocate said my letter had especially persuaded the judge. Focusing on who and what I lost was more important to the judge than how much I despised the person who took him away.

This is what the victim's impact is supposed to be--to point out what the criminal's actions took away from family, friends, and society in general.

 

[Gigiky]

I now have watched both recent documentaries. THE IDAHO STUDENT MURDERS, and
ONE NIGHT IN IDAHO:THE COLLEGE MURDERS. I think both were well done,but i didnt learn a lot more about the murders than what I have already learned from media and manly WS. However I will say ONE NIGHT IN IDAHO did give family and friends a chance to speak out about their lost.I think it had an element of healing to it for them to be able to speak about their loses. And let us as viewers see the people behind just a name. It really tore at my heart listening to MM Mother speak it was gut wrenching for me. I could not contain myself and had to stop watching to gather my emotions seveal times. Prayers for all .JMO.

 

[LinasK]

These are not big questions.
The only one of these questions that was even relevant to the now moot trial, would be, where’s the murder weapon.
What math are you using? The only equation now is

Kohberger + (4)guilty pleas = BK is guilty

As you can see, it adds up perfectly. What exactly are you trying to say?

Obviously he got rid of the murder weapon, but it's no longer necessary to a conviction since he already pled GUILTY. We know for a fact that he did it. There's no question of it being a "False Confession".