GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[DizzyB]

I really do wonder if they would have found him if there were no DNA and he had moved back to PA.

I have been thinking about the victim impact statements after watching the Prime special. I originally thought SG would have regrets if he does not make a statement. I do not know if the Chapins will make one, but Ethan’s incredible mother has made me look differently at things. Maybe BK wants to hear how he has impacted these people, how he destroyed them. Maybe he will get some pleasure in that. I guess if people need to speak, they most certainly should. I just see another side now.

 

[Sundog]

I was surprised to read the Goncalves family were against the Prime documentary. It focused on the victims, and they have been very active in the press and social media. Ethan’s mom said they would not attend any hearings or the trial (episode 4). I wonder if they will do a victim impact statement?

At the plea hearing, Ethan's family had their representative speak on their behalf outside of the courtroom. Just speculating, but I think they might have their representative present their victim impact statement at the sentencing hearing. Same, possibly, with Maddie's mom. But I believe both families will be there in the courtroom.

 

[Chloegirl]

I cannot completely let go of how haunted HJ (especially) and EA were in the docuseries. Sending positive energy their way. JMOO

 

[mucklemickle]

I'll answer those last two questions. They're college kids. They were scared. They got into the same room and then fell asleep. All they knew was that DM say a man in a mask in the house. They could tell themselves that their roommates could be passed out from drinking or just sleeping. And they did what college kids usually do--they called their friends to come so they would have safety in numbers. I teach at a college and what kids do when something goes wrong in the dorm is call their resident assistant. Remember that local police are the people who come and complain about noise and who can cite for underage drinking. So solving the problem on their own would be a first option.

I was surprised to read the Goncalves family were against the Prime documentary. It focused on the victims, and they have been very active in the press and social media. Ethan’s mom said they would not attend any hearings or the trial (episode 4). I wonder if they will do a victim impact statement?

This guy must have been at one of the parties at that house. Sounds like they had ragers. Maybe he didnt have a good experience at one of them.

 

[Warwick7]

True, but my assumption is that stalking is not the same as killing.

Well, there's the results of a six-month study by the Homicide Research Group at the University of Gloucestershire suggest there is a strong correlation between key stalking behaviours and homicide.

Stalking and Harassment - Reducing the Risk Stalking and Harassment - Reducing the Risk

 

[LAborn]

I cannot completely let go of how haunted HJ (especially) and EA were in the docuseries. Sending positive energy their way. JMOO

Me too. It feels really bad that Hunter has to live with what he saw in the house. I'm glad they have each other.

 

[Warwick7]

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[Warwick7]

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[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

I don't know if this topic has already been broached because I am two threads back and moving like a (determined) turtle, but this comes to mind:

I in NO WAY mean to blame the victims here because they are blameless, but if I had kids going off to college in the fall and preparing to live off-campus, I'd talk about the Idaho murders. I'd ask them to get (or help them to find) well-fitting window coverings and to adopt the habit of closing the window coverings at dusk, even covering sliding glass doors with a curtain on rings like a shower curtain. I'd finance the project if the landlord/lady would agree. Seems like the damage would just amount to a few nail holes that could be filled in and painted over.

I'd ask my kids to use the locks on their doors that lead to the outdoors, at the very least at night, and even better, during the day, too. I know their friends come in and out, but the friends could adapt. My kids might or might not listen.....might or might not act. They could blow it all off and think it was just more of Mom being Mom, but the Idaho story is very compelling.

When I walk in my neighborhood at dusk, people are beginning to close the blinds, and, I presume, lock up. I know not everyone does this, and that's fine, but we keep our house locked 24/7, whether home or away. There is really no reason why young people, perhaps out on their own for the first time, couldn't begin to practice home safety habits that they probably will be adopting later on in life, maybe when they have their own kids to protect.

 

[Sachi]

DBM not on subject enough

 

[girlhasnoname]

Exactly. Plus, I thought that the Amazon documentary was very helpful in explaining the kind of person that Dylan is. Emily said that when she got the call to come over to check things out that morning, she thought nothing of it. That Dylan was the kind of girl that would drop a pan and get spooked by it. That also helped explain a lot between her being intoxicated, plus knowing how many times in her life she must've thought something bad and it turned out to be not. I thought that explained a lot even without us knowing so much of what happened over those several hours from overnight to morning.

Thank you @Missyrocks5. I was going to point out this exact detail, which I think played a large part in DM's decisions that night.

Poor D was typically a 'scaredy cat' (not a negative) and easily spooked. The friend said DM had called her once about a noise being made by a frying pan falling. All her friends knew that, so DM thinking something was 'so wrong' wasn't clear enough to her to risk waking up the entire house. She got BF to answer finally and ended up going down to her room just in case.

I felt even worse for DM after hearing that. You know she has probably questioned her actions a million times. The only thing I think she would have changed if she had done things differently at the time (4:08 am) would have gotten her killed as well. That has to be a very heavy, traumatic burden for her. Yet, she still had enough bravery to show up at the Plea hearing and I bet she'll be there for the Sentencing hearing as well.

She might even give an impact statement. I wish nothing but good things for her and BF. They are innocent victims of BK too and have been eviscerated online for no fault of their own.

JMO

 

[Missyrocks5]

Thank you @Missyrocks5. I was going to point out this exact detail, which I think played a large part in DM's decisions that night.

Poor D was typically a 'scaredy cat' (not a negative) and easily spooked. The friend said DM had called her once about a noise being made by a frying pan falling. All her friends knew that, so DM thinking something was 'so wrong' wasn't clear enough to her to risk waking up the entire house. She got BF to answer finally and ended up going down to her room just in case.

I felt even worse for DM after hearing that. You know she has probably questioned her actions a million times. The only thing I think she would have changed if she had done things differently at the time (4:08 am) would have gotten her killed as well. That has to be a very heavy, traumatic burden for her. Yet, she still had enough bravery to show up at the Plea hearing and I bet she'll be there for the Sentencing hearing as well.

She might even give an impact statement. I wish nothing but good things for her and BF. They are innocent victims of BK too and have been eviscerated online for no fault of their own.

JMO

Well said. As soon as I heard the friend, Emily, say that, I thought the same. That DM likely thought she was imagining things, particularly being intoxicated, or that she was just overreacting to something again. That maybe it was someone who was in the house that she was afraid of for no reason. I think her judgment was impaired for a lot of reasons, just like you said. It really helps fill in a lot more. Hopefully we will get even more information from her statement being released after the gag order. She spoke to the police for a long time, so no doubt all of her thinking will come to light.

I think the roommates were both afraid, but didn't want to overreact and were thinking more that they would look silly and stupid for doing it. I believe the phone records show that she, and maybe the other roommate as well, called their parents that morning. Clearly, those parents didn't even think that much of it to say hang up and call 911 right now. And the bottom line is, it would not have mattered one bit. All of them were fatally wounded, and or deceased by the time he left the house. I hope those poor girls can heal from all that social media has dragged them through.

That was another thing that I really was glad to see in the documentary. These soulless ghouls that made money with views and clicks accusing those girls who were victims and the kids who went over to help and the boyfriends. Absolutely horrific to think what they went through, not only losing people so close to them, but then being accused of murder.

 

[cottonweaver]

It's a precurser. He killed them after having stalked them.

plus we already know a lot about his past history of spying, peeping and alleged criminality - stealing drugs, valuable coins, jewelry.

Somebody on the previous page mentioned the reporter/author Vicky Ward and on her substack she mentions the Bayliss allegations. ( This is from Vicky Ward/J Patterson book)

Mark Bayliss, father of BK's college mate Jack believed BK had been watching the Bayliss house from the woods, back when BK lived in PA. Missing items from the house. Snack wrappers left in the woods at vantage points. ( This was when BK & Jack were college mates at De Sales but not sure which year)

Inside Reporting The Idaho Four: Tramping Around The Woods In The Poconos

A Special Forces Veteran Believes Bryan Kohberger Stalked And Stole From Him

www.vickywardinvestigates.com

Inside Reporting The Idaho Four: Tramping Around The Woods In The Poconos​

Vicky Ward also mentions taking a ' tour ' with King's Road neighbour Lexier The latter said that when she's come home from work and park at the back she often saw Maddie through the window, Maddie at her vanity, curling her hair and getting ready for a night out.

Photo from the link Following In Kohberger's Footsteps

 

[LAborn]

Not sure what anyone thinks of the Tony Brueski show, but he had author Howard Blum (retired FBI special agent) on the podcast and think he has some sound theories and details giving insights into BK's thoughts and actions (and about his parents, the change in plea, early morning phone call, etc). I didn't know Kohberger in 2014 stole his sister's phone and his dad called the police cuz he'd had enough....

 

[LAborn]

Well said. As soon as I heard the friend, Emily, say that, I thought the same. That DM likely thought she was imagining things, particularly being intoxicated, or that she was just overreacting to something again. That maybe it was someone who was in the house that she was afraid of for no reason. I think her judgment was impaired for a lot of reasons, just like you said. It really helps fill in a lot more. Hopefully we will get even more information from her statement being released after the gag order. She spoke to the police for a long time, so no doubt all of her thinking will come to light.

I think the roommates were both afraid, but didn't want to overreact and were thinking more that they would look silly and stupid for doing it. I believe the phone records show that she, and maybe the other roommate as well, called their parents that morning. Clearly, those parents didn't even think that much of it to say hang up and call 911 right now. And the bottom line is, it would not have mattered one bit. All of them were fatally wounded, and or deceased by the time he left the house. I hope those poor girls can heal from all that social media has dragged them through.

That was another thing that I really was glad to see in the documentary. These soulless ghouls that made money with views and clicks accusing those girls who were victims and the kids who went over to help and the boyfriends. Absolutely horrific to think what they went through, not only losing people so close to them, but then being accused of murder.

Those ghouls are still at it, more than likely. If any of us comes across that sort of toxic dumpster fire we should all report it to have it taken down. It's also defamation of character and slander. They definitely shouldn't be profiting because of it.

 

[Chimera]

It also seems imo that the surviving roommates might have initially had an air of unreality , about the events; i.e., someone's passed out or just slept in, but they're fine... it's all going to be ok.
No one expects that their friends and housemates have been murdered !
That's worse than any horror movie.
Far worse.
The survivors and friends who stopped over will live with those memories for the rest of their lives and possibly the smallest things -- a sound of someone's voice that resembles the deceased's voice, or a smell of the perfume they might've worn, etc.--can trigger it all over again.
Hoping they can heal and they have my utmost condolences.

 

[CredibleSauce]

The first friend entering the house & protecting the rest of them from seeing what he did, just ensuring they called emergency services and said someone was unconscious but making sure nobody went inside is something I don’t think I’ll ever get over. What a selfless, respectful, tragically beautiful act for his friends in the face of such horror.

 

[NottaYutz]

She was one of the first people that came to mind. And Drew Carey's former fiance, Amie Harwick.

Dominique Dunne came to mind for me. Ex-boyfriend stalked her.

 

[iamshadow21]

The first friend entering the house & protecting the rest of them from seeing what he did, just ensuring they called emergency services and said someone was unconscious but making sure nobody went inside is something I don’t think I’ll ever get over. What a selfless, respectful, tragically beautiful act for his friends in the face of such horror.

It also showed a presence of mind about the importance of not disturbing the scene. A lot gets said about shows about forensics 'training better criminals' and shifting the expectations of jurors re: evidence, but not enough gets said about the positives. He went in alone, checked for vitals on XK and EC, and got out, then prevented others from going in and contaminating the scene. He preserved evidence by doing this that led to such a strong body of evidence against BK. Can you imagine how much more difficult it would have been for investigators if all those students outside had trooped through the home, even if they had the best of intentions (checking MM and KG, attempting CPR, etc.)?

MOO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

BK now has the answers to his own questionnaire. IF (and I don't know because I am not a mental health specialist, nor do I play one on TV) BK is indeed a sociopathic individual, these murders could all be collateral damage of his "need to know". I keep wondering if he chose the house because of the layout or because he thought it would be conducive to "the perfect crime". And I still wonder if the room off the kitchen (DM's room) was the goal, but the door was closed and locked. Original plan in, closest room, kill, out. Unless he says, we'll never know.

But I keep thinking less to do with incel, more to do with a total disregard for others, except as players to manipulate in his own internal scripting.

Ive been thinking the same thing these last couple of days. I do believe Maddy was his target, and that he didn't plan to kill more than her that night, but I am also coming round to thinking that he did it for exactly the reason you stated. The need to know. To experience it for himself in order to be able to understand how it feels, I dont think he is capable of imagining.