GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[AngTxGal]

Speculation alert. I am going way out on a limb to talk about something I know nothing about. It has been said it could have been a dazzler that DM saw.

What is that? Great question.

Dazzler (weapon) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Could this have been what DM mistook for a vacuum? Could this cause disorientation? Could someone who has VSS be interested in using an optical instrument like this to gain the upper hand? JMOSpeculatingO

The interweb told me about it and I thought what the heck? I am sure there are people who know about these things. I am just throwing this out there.

Hmm, new to me too.
So how did he protect his own eyes from that flash?
Even if that beam of light didn’t hit him directly- his eyes would have reacted from the intensity and he would quickly have been unable to see.
I suppose he could have closed his eyes?

I suppose it s possible

IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Maybe they did.

Just spit balling here but

If you were his father and he'd lied to you for 2.5 yrs and then he suddenly pleads guilty, would you fly to the sentencing? Father might feel totally betrayed.

The father was the same guy who reported him to LE for stealing the sister's phone. He may have been wishfully deluded but doesn't sound like he's a colluder.
( I'm still working on the basis that the father was absent at the sentencing because three other sources in the room said he wasn't there)

 

[MollyHarps]

I just caught up on the sentencing this morning.

All the statements were so heart wrenching to listen to - Kaylees sister though WOW the composure she showed to get up there and literally tear him apart her sister will be so proud of her.

I know family members/friends of victims often read this site - Alivea if you ever read this just know that in the years of me hearing impact statements I have never heard one as good as yours! COMPOSED, CUTTING, FIERCE! It was absolutely brilliant.

 

[cottonweaver]

One would think that if the knife handle was used, the ME would certainly be able to match the wounds and declare it as so. And it sounded like it would have to have been in its sheath during that part of the blitz attack in order to have not cut up the killer-I think the sheath would have to show signs of the attack. Maybe it will be in further documents. The handle stripes sound right, but it seems like that was an easy answer to give then.

In the most recent Ash Banfield, Goncalves' lawyer is interviewed and he claims that LE told the family that they'd tried to match the blunt force injuries with potential objects/weapons and could not.
The Banfield link is a few pages back & his Interview is right at the end of the show. IDK how accurate Shannen is wrt what they said. LE could have simply told him - it's very possible it was the butt but we can't be definitive.

( It would've been helpful if the press conference had occurred after the reporters had a chance to read the MPD uploads)

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948559221789761972

Am not disputing the eye witnesses at WSU but how come those facial scratches don't show in the selfie? He edited the image or used a lower resolution?
I haven't found this witness account record in the uploads yet but it's obviously in there somewhere.



Apologies for the next image - I realise many people are sick of seeing his face and I've forgotten whether he's right handed, but somebody on WS will know.

 

[AngTxGal]

I’ve never been fond of AT since she went far beyond the bounds of reason in her attempts to defend him.

However I recognize that she had a PROFESSIONAL duty to him.

What I CANNOT TOLERATE is when she again went beyond the bounds during sentencing, because her actions were, IMO, now operating on a PERSONAL level.

The warm-hearted smiles and the soothing physical gestures—-that’s a NO!!!!

There was no trial, sentencing was in the books—she no longer needed her lawyerly skills to cultivate Bryan’s reactions in front of a jury.

I don’t recall if she has children, but if she does, how can anyone whose professional path has ended still bestow these gentle touches on a murderer of four kids—can she imagine if it were her child?

Even if she isn’t a mother—-the battle was over. They lost. Know when to stop, AT.

Just my opinion.

AT was in the public eye, she was not just being his professional defense attorney, she was advertising.
If BK called his mother the night of the murders, and his mother has been the one who he has called while in prison- who do you think has had communications with his defense attorney.
My guess is- it is his mom. AT would have a relationship and responsibility to her client- and his family. Her job was never to represent the victims, it was to be sure he got representation.

Sure she could be self-serving, a real piece of work, lacking empathy, all in it for the glory and fame, all in it for the photo ops. Or not.
I watched the OJ trial, his attorneys laughed it up with him regularly.
Karen Read’s attorneys smiled, touched her back, cried for her. And if she had done it- they likely still would have.
Leslie Abramson- Defended the Menendez brothers, as they cried on the stand. She showed them empathy.
Ethan Crumbley- Also had a female attorney
Nikolas Cruz- Parkland shooter- female attorney smiled and touched him during the trial, keep them from getting the death penalty.

There are actually a lot of female defense attorneys- for male killers, for whatever reason.
It may be that young men need a nurturing woman during this time of their life. They are still humans- and I don’t agree with cruel unusual punishment.
To become inhumane makes us like them- we should be better. Once they are found guilty- put them in a cage.

Some of these attorneys likely see it as their contribution to humanity- they think everyone deserves representation and do not believe in the death penalty.
Why would a woman be so bold to do something this is not only hard- but controversial. They are driven by greed, or principle, but not popularity. I find that admirable.

I think it is a fascinating emotional place to be in- to be a defense attorney to a murderer. To see the human in the monster- and represent the human.
While I assume she has struggled throughout her career to emotionally handle cases like this, I do not see her as less human, in my opinion, it makes us see that the world isn’t simply Good and Evil. She is complicated, interesting, and intelligent to understand that even monsters have rights.
I wouldn’t do it- but someone has to.

IMO

 

[Betty P]

IMO his parents should have faced the evidence and encouraged their son to confess long ago.

It’s possible they have tried and eventually succeeded.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I have been out of pocket for the past week and am way behind in the thread. I apologize if the following has been addressed already.

The Door Dash driver interview is very interesting. I doubt she would have been much help to the prosecution if she had testified.


Sources:

Kohberger Investigation Documents

Or

Moscow PD Kohberger Investigation Docs - Google Drive​

Reference: Cognitive Interview Technique

Note: I have only read the first 150 of the supplemental documents, so there may be another DoorDash driver interview.

Having read less than half of the available investigation documents, I can now see where some of the conspiracy theories originated. Unfortunately, I’m afraid several of these investigation documents are going to fuel further speculation by stubborn Probergers. I hope LE, the prosecution, and journalists remind everyone regularly that despite the messiness of the complicated investigation, LE got their man.

IMO

 

[LAMARQ]

I find it odd that a grown adult male would spend HOURS talking to mommy from prison. I'll just leave it at that.

I don't. One of my son's spent time in county jail for a short time and we talked a lot. Usually the only one to take calls from a child gone wrong is the mom with their unconditional love.

 

[Spiderplant]

I'm sure AT told him.

His family came protected by Police.
I saw a picture of them with AT.

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AT in the background

Bryan Kohberger's lookalike sister dons red dress to watch sentencing

Amanda Kohberger traveled to Boise, Idaho, to watch Bryan get sentenced for the murders of four young students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Well this is hideous ‘conincidence’ from an above article. Sister Amanda.

In a chilling coincidence, Amanda - a former actress - once starred in a gory slasher movie where young students were brutally hacked to death on a camping trip.

She portrayed 'Lori' in the low-budget thriller 'Two Days Back' in 2011 – with characters being stabbed and slashed with knives and hatchets.

The film's plot bares chilling similarities to her brother's crime - attacking four students as they slept in the remote college town of Moscow, Idaho.

The horror film shows the group being murdered one by one by a maniac killer who won over their trust – but Kohberger's sister is one of the few to survive the slayings.

 

[AngTxGal]

One would think that if the knife handle was used, the ME would certainly be able to match the wounds and declare it as so. And it sounded like it would have to have been in its sheath during that part of the blitz attack in order to have not cut up the killer-I think the sheath would have to show signs of the attack. Maybe it will be in further documents. The handle stripes sound right, but it seems like that was an easy answer to give then.

I don’t know if you could match wounds to a weapon if the broken facial bones are mixed in with multiple stab wounds and soft tissues. What poor kids!

I also don’t think the knife would have to be in the sheath for such an attack.
If he used that knife in a downward motion to hit and upward motion to stab- the blade could not have been in the sheath or it would slow his momentum to take the sheath on and off.
He also may have turned the knife sideways and pushed the handle against her and her neck, that may be how the handle marks her face- with his fingers on the handle.

Problem is- I can create images in my mind to visualize how it could have happened- and from his perspective it is sickening, and from the victims point of view it is horrific and terrifying
IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Well this is hideous ‘conincidence’ from an above article. Sister Amanda.

In a chilling coincidence, Amanda - a former actress - once starred in a gory slasher movie where young students were brutally hacked to death on a camping trip.

She portrayed 'Lori' in the low-budget thriller 'Two Days Back' in 2011 – with characters being stabbed and slashed with knives and hatchets.

The film's plot bares chilling similarities to her brother's crime - attacking four students as they slept in the remote college town of Moscow, Idaho.

The horror film shows the group being murdered one by one by a maniac killer who won over their trust – but Kohberger's sister is one of the few to survive the slayings.

I had forgetting about that connection to his sister’s role in a movie.
2011- he would have been 14 or 15 years old
That is chilling!

IMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Things from these supps of interest:

-In these supps, people at various points are noting the slider wasn't locked and the other door into the home may have been accessible without the code. (supp 19, friend of Xana's noted doors at the house usually unlocked; supp42 , someone else says you could get in the door that had the code without using the code, and was unsure if slider was regularly locked)
-Ethan had his own apartment elsewhere (supp 90)
-The "here to help you" comment was not said nicely

(apologies if any/all of this is already noted) If those doors weren't locked, and it looks like they really weren't, he knew it. How?? LE can't track it, but he penetrated into that circle somehow. I think it went beyond floorplans. I really do suspect that was him on Halloween, probably all in costume, oh, going to a party... At the very least, he was perched out there on his little overlook, weaving his web like a venomous spider.

I can't find anything else on that beer pong table, I'm thinking that may be the only reference.

What the heck was it? Firecracker sound, sounds like a pop, loud, sudden, sharp. Sparks. I'd wonder if he wasn't taking pics of himself in the hallway with a flash but for that sound, that firecracker. AND the table being moved?? What is that? Cups being knocked over, wtheck?? Where was that table? I think it's actually a fairly wide utility table. Looking at the house's design again for a second here. Was he trying to block Ethan and Xana's potential exit with that table? He couldn't easily block Dylan (unless he was blocking the stairs to the first floor?), but he could block Ethan & Xana. That table as I recollect it didn't look heavy, but it would make noise as you'd move it. Maybe something plugged in on that table that fell (noise) and threw out a shower of sparks?? HMM. Were the cups all empty? The ones that fell off the table?? Because maybe they spilled, and the liquid made contact with an outlet or some elecrical connection, and there would be the sparks. Was it him? Or Murphy? Moving the table, my guess is him. Ok, beer pong table in supp 2. The officer comes to the scene, goes to Xana's room, and on the way back
towards the living room, the officer passes the beer pong table, which at the time had a knife on it someone had used while checking the house after the murders. MMMM, ok, that DOES make me think the murderer was using it to block that exit, perhaps. And Ethan and Xana-- they were in that little corner bedroom there, and if the living room was cut off to them, they'd have no way to get out, if my understanding of the 2nd floor layout is correct. Because they can't reach either the first floor or the kitchen without going through the living room. All specuation (obviously)...

 

[PunishThenForgive]

It’s possible they have tried and eventually succeeded.

I sincerely hope they played a hand in their son’s eventual confession over 2.5 years after he murdered Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan.

For anyone who hasn’t read The Idaho Four: An American Tragedy, here is a preview that Vicky Ward provided before publication that addresses the perhaps temporary denial of a loving parent:

Last Summer Bryan Kohberger's Father Said His Son Was Innocent...

Exclusive! From The Idaho Four

www.vickywardinvestigates.com

(This is the same scene discussed by @SteveP in an earlier post.)

 

[Wakefield6042]

According to The James Patterson book, The Idaho Four: An American Tragedy, as late as last summer, his dad was telling a neighbor that he was innocent, and had been framed, and would be cleared at trial. JMIO

The thing is though you never want to believe your children are capable of such things. Unfortunately, I have also come across people who just do not believe their child can do any wrong.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Things from these supps of interest:

-In these supps, people at various points are noting the slider wasn't locked and the other door into the home may have been accessible without the code. (supp 19, friend of Xana's noted doors at the house usually unlocked; supp42 , someone else says you could get in the door that had the code without using the code, and was unsure if slider was regularly locked)
-Ethan had his own apartment elsewhere (supp 90)
-The "here to help you" comment was not said nicely

(apologies if any/all of this is already noted) If those doors weren't locked, and it looks like they really weren't, he knew it. How?? LE can't track it, but he penetrated into that circle somehow. I think it went beyond floorplans. I really do suspect that was him on Halloween, probably all in costume, oh, going to a party... At the very least, he was perched out there on his little overlook, weaving his web like a venomous spider.

I can't find anything else on that beer pong table, I'm thinking that may be the only reference.

What the heck was it? Firecracker sound, sounds like a pop, loud, sudden, sharp. Sparks. I'd wonder if he wasn't taking pics of himself in the hallway with a flash but for that sound, that firecracker. AND the table being moved?? What is that? Cups being knocked over, wtheck?? Where was that table? I think it's actually a fairly wide utility table. Looking at the house's design again for a second here. Was he trying to block Ethan and Xana's potential exit with that table? He couldn't easily block Dylan (unless he was blocking the stairs to the first floor?), but he could block Ethan & Xana. That table as I recollect it didn't look heavy, but it would make noise as you'd move it. Maybe something plugged in on that table that fell (noise) and threw out a shower of sparks?? HMM. Were the cups all empty? The ones that fell off the table?? Because maybe they spilled, and the liquid made contact with an outlet or some elecrical connection, and there would be the sparks. Was it him? Or Murphy? Moving the table, my guess is him. Ok, beer pong table in supp 2. The officer comes to the scene, goes to Xana's room, and on the way back
towards the living room, the officer passes the beer pong table, which at the time had a knife on it someone had used while checking the house after the murders. MMMM, ok, that DOES make me think the murderer was using it to block that exit, perhaps. And Ethan and Xana-- they were in that little corner bedroom there, and if the living room was cut off to them, they'd have no way to get out, if my understanding of the 2nd floor layout is correct. Because they can't reach either the first floor or the kitchen without going through the living room. All specuation (obviously)...
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Yet everyone had phones. I wish Kaylee or Xana had been able to call for help. Unlike poor Dylan, they knew exactly what the murderer had done or was about to do.

Everything about that morning was a tragedy, for those who died and those who survived, for those who love the victims and those who love the murderer, and yes, even for the murderer himself, who at least for now—but I fear for all eternity—is lost.

IMO

 

[Wakefield6042]

Wow, I cannot imagine the force required to break the bones in a person’s face and jaw and teeth- it could not be bare fists or he would have broken his hand.
Someone is going to have to explain why this was necessary- it is like rampage, feeding freenzy, untethered explosive madness… how does someone with that much pent up anger remain stoic like he does?
Disturbing isn’t even close to the right word

IMO

It is pure rage and a wish to eradicate the person's identity. To my mind, it is also very personal, there had to be a connection between murderer and victim.

 

[AngTxGal]

The thing is though you never want to believe your children are capable of such things. Unfortunately, I have also come across people who just do not believe their child can do any wrong.

Yes, you never want to believe your child is capable of hurting themselves or harming others.
I think because sometimes our kids do things we are not capable of doing. So we don’t get it.
It is also easy to lose touch with the inner lives and struggles of teens, as they move into adulthood. They try to be tough, independent, do it alone, don’t let you see them sweat.
In doing so they give off vibes that all is well- when it may not be.
We have an image of who we think they are, and then there is who they are.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

In a lot of jails/prisons the inmate doesn't receive the original mail/letter. It is opened, checked for contraband and a copy is made. People were sneaking drugs in via mail and cards to inmates so that policy has changed in most places in recent years.

Drugs like anything that comes in a strip form (Suboxone strips, Fentanyl patches), or others crushed into a liquid and soaked in the paper. It's amazing how resourceful they can be in obtaining drugs.

I have a relative that is a prison corrections officer, I'm not speaking from my own experience.

MOO

Oh my, I had no idea but that makes perfect sense!
I knew mail was reviewed- I didn’t know the paper itself could be contraband.
Wow, people are resourceful… or desperate.
So then do they file charges against family members for attempting to supply prisoners with drugs?

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Things from these supps of interest:

-In these supps, people at various points are noting the slider wasn't locked and the other door into the home may have been accessible without the code. (supp 19, friend of Xana's noted doors at the house usually unlocked; supp42 , someone else says you could get in the door that had the code without using the code, and was unsure if slider was regularly locked)
-Ethan had his own apartment elsewhere (supp 90)
-The "here to help you" comment was not said nicely

(apologies if any/all of this is already noted) If those doors weren't locked, and it looks like they really weren't, he knew it. How?? LE can't track it, but he penetrated into that circle somehow. I think it went beyond floorplans. I really do suspect that was him on Halloween, probably all in costume, oh, going to a party... At the very least, he was perched out there on his little overlook, weaving his web like a venomous spider.

I can't find anything else on that beer pong table, I'm thinking that may be the only reference.

What the heck was it? Firecracker sound, sounds like a pop, loud, sudden, sharp. Sparks. I'd wonder if he wasn't taking pics of himself in the hallway with a flash but for that sound, that firecracker. AND the table being moved?? What is that? Cups being knocked over, wtheck?? Where was that table? I think it's actually a fairly wide utility table. Looking at the house's design again for a second here. Was he trying to block Ethan and Xana's potential exit with that table? He couldn't easily block Dylan (unless he was blocking the stairs to the first floor?), but he could block Ethan & Xana. That table as I recollect it didn't look heavy, but it would make noise as you'd move it. Maybe something plugged in on that table that fell (noise) and threw out a shower of sparks?? HMM. Were the cups all empty? The ones that fell off the table?? Because maybe they spilled, and the liquid made contact with an outlet or some elecrical connection, and there would be the sparks. Was it him? Or Murphy? Moving the table, my guess is him. Ok, beer pong table in supp 2. The officer comes to the scene, goes to Xana's room, and on the way back
towards the living room, the officer passes the beer pong table, which at the time had a knife on it someone had used while checking the house after the murders. MMMM, ok, that DOES make me think the murderer was using it to block that exit, perhaps. And Ethan and Xana-- they were in that little corner bedroom there, and if the living room was cut off to them, they'd have no way to get out, if my understanding of the 2nd floor layout is correct. Because they can't reach either the first floor or the kitchen without going through the living room. All specuation (obviously)...
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I’m not thinking a jostled table was a plan, someone ran into it in the dark and moved it.
That table would be on a wall- so to the left of the door entering the living room from the kitchen, in the space to the right before the couches, or on the other side by the stairs wall.
Wouldn’t it have stuck out so catching a corner in the dark would be easy?
DM said he was running out the door-

If I recall correctly there is a video out there of them in the living room all together on that couch. Maybe it has that table shown?

Yes a toppled lamp, breaking bulb, even a glass or dishes could have crashed and hit the floor if the corner of a table was caught.

IMO