GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Gemmie]

MOO. All he really wants is to alongside his killer heroes in the crime text books.

While you could be spot on, that is just SICK to think he could want that! And just when I thought I couldn't dislike him more.

 

[Megnut]

While you could be spot on, that is just SICK to think he could want that! And just when I thought I couldn't dislike him more.

It does touch on motive.

He didn't want to study serial killers. He wanted to be one.

He probably wondered how he'd choose his victim(s), wondered what mistakes he'd make, recognizing that they all do.

Curiously, he blew up his own PhD program, packed as if he'd come back maybe, maybe not. Got home, knew that WSU was done with him, and didn't seem to be scouring the country for a new program. In some ways, it seems like he was effectively waiting for LE to catch up with him... unless he was gearing up for another kill, closer to home.

He didn't seem very insightful. Surely Mother and Father would notice, after the holiday, that he wasn't returning to WSU so just exactly what was his plan????

How angry he must have been at everyone at WSU. He's right, they're all wrong.

As awful as he is, it is a good thing he was arrested before he could settle his differences to the world that wronged him. I don't know that anyone would have been safe.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

Bryan Kohberger victims are suing Washington State University where he was getting his doctorate. I went through all the allegations from students and staff about Kohberger -- concerns about stalking and creepy behavior before the murders.
Deep dive:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990822195547795881

 

[Gemmie]

Bryan Kohberger victims are suing Washington State University where he was getting his doctorate. I went through all the allegations from students and staff about Kohberger -- concerns about stalking and creepy behavior before the murders.
Deep dive:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990822195547795881

(I apologize in advance for my question. No time to listen to a video, darn it, so not sure if this was answered in it)

How in the world was his stalking and creepy behavior WSU's fault? What do the families think WSU could have done to stop BK, or anyone for that matter, from killing people? I'm genuinely puzzled.

 

[Megnut]

(I apologize in advance for my question. No time to listen to a video, darn it, so not sure if this was answered in it)

How in the world was his stalking and creepy behavior WSU's fault? What do the families think WSU could have done to stop BK, or anyone for that matter, from killing people? I'm genuinely puzzled.

Haven't listened either but surmising that, if the school had taken earlier disciplinary action, BK may have returned to PA sooner, without murdering anyone. However, he already had his weapon and had zeroed in on 1122 King Road so earlier action by the school might only have resulted in the crimes occurring earlier.

We all wish this could have been prevented by whatever means possible.

Perhaps the lawsuit will result in greater awareness and accountability. Stalking, taken seriously. It is IMO a gateway crime.

JMO

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Haven't listened either but surmising that, if the school had taken earlier disciplinary action, BK may have returned to PA sooner, without murdering anyone. However, he already had his weapon and had zeroed in on 1122 King Road so earlier action by the school might only have resulted in the crimes occurring earlier.

We all wish this could have been prevented by whatever means possible.

Perhaps the lawsuit will result in greater awareness and accountability. Stalking, taken seriously. It is IMO a gateway crime.

JMO

It appears when you add up all the complaints at WSU against BK, he should have been considered to be a serious threat. Lawsuit is for $100 Million. Based on my limited knowledge of such cases, I think it's over-the-top. For one, BK did not commit his crimes against WSU students or faculty. It wasn't even in Washington state - even though Idaho is barely 10 minutes away. Also, it appears WSU was taking steps to address BK's bizarre behavior. Whether that is good enough in a court of law is unknown.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

A school can't expel a student for being weird. There were really no criminal acts committed by BK before the murders (at least, that the school was aware of). There have been rumors and speculation since the crime, but nothing has been proven even now. I don't think the school is on the hook for this.

MOO.

 

[Megnut]

It appears when you add up all the complaints at WSU against BK, he should have been considered to be a serious threat. Lawsuit is for $100 Million. Based on my limited knowledge of such cases, I think it's over-the-top. For one, BK did not commit his crimes against WSU students or faculty. It wasn't even in Washington state - even though Idaho is barely 10 minutes away. Also, it appears WSU was taking steps to address BK's bizarre behavior. Whether that is good enough in a court of law is unknown.

Money talks. Lawsuits like these, even if they don't result in financial settlements, go a long way toward changing the status quo.

New programs on university campuses cam benefit everyone. It may mark a turned page in the long story of unreported and under-prosecuted crimes.

JMO

 

[Maat99]

A school can't expel a student for being weird. There were really no criminal acts committed by BK before the murders (at least, that the school was aware of). There have been rumors and speculation since the crime, but nothing has been proven even now. I don't think the school is on the hook for this.

MOO.

I agree, I don’t think an employer is responsible for or able to ensure employees don’t commit crimes outside of work hours in their personal lives.
Sadly, there are a lot of creepy men who sexually harass co-workers, service workers, random women on the street, etc..etc..
How is an employer is supposed to predict which creeps are going to turn into murderers?
And then are they supposed to proactively get them locked up or punished before they commit a future crime? Jmo.

 

[LinasK]

Haven't listened either but surmising that, if the school had taken earlier disciplinary action, BK may have returned to PA sooner, without murdering anyone. However, he already had his weapon and had zeroed in on 1122 King Road so earlier action by the school might only have resulted in the crimes occurring earlier.

We all wish this could have been prevented by whatever means possible.

Perhaps the lawsuit will result in greater awareness and accountability. Stalking, taken seriously. It is IMO a gateway crime.

JMO

And then he might have murdered someone in PA. Location was never going to matter to this killer. It's just that on the West Coast (WA/Idaho), he didn't have his parents watching his every move, so he had more freedom to commit his evil deeds.

 

[LinasK]

A school can't expel a student for being weird. There were really no criminal acts committed by BK before the murders (at least, that the school was aware of). There have been rumors and speculation since the crime, but nothing has been proven even now. I don't think the school is on the hook for this.

MOO.

Neither is U of Idaho. The students were living off-campus in a private residence where the crimes were committed.

 

[Chloegirl]

A school can't expel a student for being weird. There were really no criminal acts committed by BK before the murders (at least, that the school was aware of). There have been rumors and speculation since the crime, but nothing has been proven even now. I don't think the school is on the hook for this.

MOO.

I spoke with a friend about this. Apparently more information would be accessible from WSU through the documentation process of filing a lawsuit. They may be less interested in financial gain and more in the red flags and reported incidents. Could this student have been stopped? I don't think that's the only issue. Perhaps more transparency at the college level from both universities is what the families are after. JMOO

 

[Dotta]

I spoke with a friend about this. Apparently more information would be accessible from WSU through the documentation process of filing a lawsuit. They may be less in financial gain and more in the red flags and reported incidents. Could this student have been stopped? I don't think that's the only issue. Perhaps more transparency at the college level from both universities is what the families are after. JMOO

This person was unfit to be a TA.
He was an embarrassment for University.

As I wrote many times in this thread.

What a shame!!!
I pity the students who were unfortunate to cross paths with this murderer.
Treated with arrogance and being humiliated by this criminal.

At the University where they paid for their education.
And should have been given the best for their money.

I'm absolutely not surprised by the lawsuit.

In fact,
I was expecting it!

Imagine being taught by a madman!
At Higher Education Institution no less.

I get angry even thinking about it.
And I say this as being a teacher myself.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

Neither is U of Idaho. The students were living off-campus in a private residence where the crimes were committed.

And where they did not lock their door.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Money talks. Lawsuits like these, even if they don't result in financial settlements, go a long way toward changing the status quo.

New programs on university campuses cam benefit everyone. It may mark a turned page in the long story of unreported and under-prosecuted crimes.

JMO

Can you explain what you mean please? I really don't see any way the university was negligent nor any gaps that new programs would bridge.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I spoke with a friend about this. Apparently more information would be accessible from WSU through the documentation process of filing a lawsuit. They may be less interested in financial gain and more in the red flags and reported incidents. Could this student have been stopped? I don't think that's the only issue. Perhaps more transparency at the college level from both universities is what the families are after. JMOO

I guess, but don't we think all this information was in the court documents? Maybe they weren't, I don't really know. But I just don't think this is a good use of the legal system. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

This person was unfit to be a TA.
He was an embarrassment for University.

As I wrote many times in this thread.

What a shame!!!
I pity the students who were unfortunate to cross paths with this murderer.
Treated with arrogance and being humiliated by this criminal.

At the University where they paid for their education.
And should have been given the best for their money.

I'm absolutely not surprised by the lawsuit.

In fact,
I was expecting it!

Imagine being taught by a madman!
At Higher Education Institution no less.

I get angry even thinking about it.
And I say this as being a teacher myself.

JMO

But no one knew he was a "madman." I guess I'm confused on why this lawsuit was filed, but also why you were expecting it to be. Institutions get to hire/accept who they want. I'm not sure they should be held judicially liable for their choices unless there's some kind of negligence at play, and that doesn't seem to be the case. The other part to this is employment integrity in academia. Once they realized he couldn't do the job, they can't just terminate him. There are usually many layers. They have to start a performance improvement plan, which they did, and then follow that through to see how he progresses. A professor had that inkling that something was off with this guy, but if we allowed that to make the decision in cases of employment, people would get fired left and right just because someone didn't like them. There has to be objective evidence of something besides incompetence and failing to read social cues.

MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Can you explain what you mean please? I really don't see any way the university was negligent nor any gaps that new programs would bridge.

It's all about the conversation. No one loses if universities revisit their standards and procedures. No one loses if campuses provide greater transparency, increased reporting/responding.

It's how change happens.

Colleges didn't get security stations overnight (not sure what they're called, blue-lit buttons on campuses to alert campus security). Anything that inspires a climate of safety, taking seriously, etc, can only be a good thing. No more minimizing unacceptablw behavior. For example, the very phrase "peeping Tom" implies a harmlessness that it's not.

IMO the university doesn't have to have any actual liability in order to take a lawsuit seriously. If the end result is any kind of change for the better, that'll be the win they're seeking.

JMO

 

[NopeNopeNope]

A school can't expel a student for being weird. There were really no criminal acts committed by BK before the murders (at least, that the school was aware of). There have been rumors and speculation since the crime, but nothing has been proven even now. I don't think the school is on the hook for this.

MOO.

I also recall, waaaay back near the beginning of the first thread when this crime initially took place, someone mentioned that with PhD students and professors, a certain amount of allowance is given for odd behaviours and 'eccentricities'. I haven't read the allegations, so I don't know if they could fall under this within the lense of a college campus.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It's all about the conversation. No one loses if universities revisit their standards and procedures. No one loses if campuses provide greater transparency, increased reporting/responding.

It's how change happens.

I don't disagree, in general, that there needs to be a post-mortem whenever something bad happens to see if there were vulnerabilities that could be strengthened. But in this specific case, I'm not sure what they could have been transparent about. Like surely we don't expect schools to put out a bulletin to the community when they have a student acting oddly?

Colleges didn't get security stations overnight (not sure what they're called, blue-lit buttons on campuses to alert campus security).

Right, but that was due to crimes happening ON campus. I guess the rub for me is placing blame on an institution for what their students do OFF campus. If that's the case, then the victim or victim's family of any crime could look into suing the perp's workplace or school.

I'm just not sure what change people are wanting/expecting here.

MOO.