GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[LinasK]

If they had got rid of him immediately,
then I suppose!!!
he would have returned to Pennsylvania
because he didn't have enough money to pay for his studies.

Or could he have found another job in the area and still carried the attack?
I'm not sure.

G.Family sues the University thinking of their daughter
who was a victim of this particular attack.

It seems that while living with parents
BK didn't attack anyone.
Only when he was left to his own devices.

JMO

PS
Sorry for any grammatical errors!!!
Third conditional is a nightmare for foreigners hehehe

And he still might have killed someone when he returned to PA. There's no way of knowing.

 

[FoxxTraxx]

I doubt the case will go anywhere, and will be tossed out by the court...But...I think this more of a fishing expedition than anything else. I think SG wants access to WSU's internal emails regarding BK, and copies of the complaints in full. 13 complaints is excessive by any standard, and the secondary questions are if WSU enforces the rules on their books, and do they enforce those rules evenly? The other information this lawsuit would reveal would be WSUP's internal communications regarding BK, and all of their communications with Pullman PD, Moscow PD, and Latah County DA. I think the communication between the WSU student affairs department and WSUPD, and the lack thereof could be revealing.

But I doubt this case makes it to trial.

And if it went to trial I seriously doubt a jury in Eastern Washington would rule against the university. We don't know how or why BK targeted those particular students, but apparently the victims had no connection to WU.

 

[Arkay]

From my point of view, the university could have fired him as an incompetent TA and kicked him out of his on-campus housing. Maybe write something in a file so he can’t attempt to gain a similar position elsewhere.

However, what someone does who is in his late 20s, on his own time and in another state, is not really on the university.

I do understand that what the Goncalves family wants is to shine a light on what happened and get all the info they can, and I suppose this is all that’s left for them.

JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

Re Accountability and Transparency

"Transparency" is a key word here IMO.

Secrecy is the biggest weapon of abusers.

The lawsuit will be the opportunity
to check if everything possible was done to protect the students in a proper way.

To prove or disprove the "Accountability".

This is the reason why civil lawsuits exist, no?

I honestly don't understand the uproar.

JMO

The case could get dismissed before it ever gets to discovery.

 

[browneyes]

From my point of view, the university could have fired him as an incompetent TA and kicked him out of his on-campus housing. Maybe write something in a file so he can’t attempt to gain a similar position elsewhere.

However, what someone does who is in his late 20s, on his own time and in another state, is not really on the university.

I do understand that what the Goncalves family wants is to shine a light on what happened and get all the info they can, and I suppose this is all that’s left for them.

JMO

He was fired as a TA.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I think all the hubbub is about making positive changes not going back and fixing the past. Both universities should want to implement positive changes that help their students navigate better. As for the families, they are looking at the resources and learning about the stallking helping them to understand what all transpired. Blame maybe, but a thorough vetting of all the information would make them feel more whole. Whether or not we agree with it is not relevant. Much has been kept under gag they're just trying to understand. JMOO

The problem is no one can really point out what WSU should have done differently here. I'm all for positive change, but the phrase positive change without anything more substantial behind it is just a phrase. What needs to be change? Change for the sake of change is actually not good, IMO. Change should have tangible goals behind it that improve the situation/circumstances/policies. From the information that's been released, it seems WSU did a great job actually in responding to complaints about him within the parameters of the law.

I feel for the families victims. I also think a lawsuit against WSU is the wrong choice. The allegations alone have the potential to damage WSU's reputation and the institution isn't the one that did this nor could they have prevented it, IMO. It just hurts them and it clogs up the court system. I understand they want/need answers. I just don't agree with going about it this way. If their goal is answers, I think they're better off focusing on police and demanding answers there.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Family of University of Idaho student murder victim files intent to sue Washington State University

The family of Kaylee Goncalves says it will sue WSU, alleging the university knew Bryan Kohberger had exhibited concerning behavior before the student murders.

www.krem.com

I don't see this going anywhere. BK was a weirdo. That doesn't mean that the staff could predict he was a mass murderer.

MOO is that the Goncalves never felt like they got there "say" with a full trial for BK. They were "cheated" with the plea deal. So, this is a new path for their vitriol.

I feel badly for them. But their daughter isn't coming back. This isn't going to change anything. I wish they had some place to put their energy for something more positive.

Agree with this. That's an interesting thought about the reason they're doing this. It makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Whether suing the university is a waste of legal process or not and whether anything happens from it might not be the entire point.

Even if it goes nowhere, they are getting a very important subject matter talked about, publicized and looking for change somewhere or somehow to stop the rise of these types of acts of violence.

Let's face it, incel/misogynistic type crimes seem to be on the rise. There's lots of online programming targeted to the demographic of young, lonely, antisocial, incel type men and it's not going away.

This behaviour needs to accounted for and victims need to feel safe enough to report these things and maybe some consequences. These crimes will rise if something doesn't change. So whether they win or not, just getting thought provoking concepts out there might help a little. JMO MOO

I agree 100%, which is why I wish they would channel their energy into making real change happen through advocacy and policy. Lawsuits don't do that. They do the opposite in the short term because pending litigation generally means no one can talk to anyone, so the topic isn't discussed at all until the court case is resolved.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

look, they put him under advisement, there were complaints, they fired him from his leadership position in the class. they warned him. yes, they are professionals in this field and they recognized traits in BKoh.

so they did everything...but then if you take a quick sideways glance...they maybe could have pressed further with police over his creepy behavior....but then it would just barley cross a line if at all in terms of a prosecution. The one student could have tried to push on the breaking and entering...an arrest warrant could have given birth to a search warrant perhaps enlightening information would have been found. It's a far stretch but they might have pushed the police to investigate his "kidnapping" of the woman when he wouldn't stop talking to her and leave her car.

here they are..legal professionals, yet they never brought in LE. I think where they are going is there should be ZERO tolerance for sexual harassment and 100 percent of the time LE will be involved if you are found to be doing any kind of harassing behavior.

It's would have, could have, should have...because they also should have guessed that dumping him could be the catalyst for something bad. I don't know but I think the University should settle and pay the families of the victims .

ask them have they changed their advisements on matters like this? New rules on harassment and criminality at Brian's school?

I'm so curious.

Neither bullying nor sexual harassment are criminal acts. And as far as we know, there STILL isn't enough information for law enforcement to connect him to any other crime, and by now the police know everything there is to know about his time in that area. The fact that they still don't have enough to confirm he was behind the break-in or other crimes suggests something. I don't think law enforcement would have been involved in this case until the murders.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

If they had got rid of him immediately,
then I suppose!!!
he would have returned to Pennsylvania
because he didn't have enough money to pay for his studies.

Or could he have found another job in the area and still carried the attack?
I'm not sure.

G.Family sues the University thinking of their daughter
who was a victim of this particular attack.

It seems that while living with parents
BK didn't attack anyone.
Only when he was left to his own devices.

JMO

PS
Sorry for any grammatical errors!!!
Third conditional is a nightmare for foreigners hehehe

They could not legally terminate him just for being weird. That's the law. And even if they had, no one can say with any level of certainty what would happen next. WSU is being scapegoated here for no reason, IMO.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Re Accountability and Transparency

"Transparency" is a key word here IMO.

Secrecy is the biggest weapon of abusers.

The lawsuit will be the opportunity
to check if everything possible was done to protect the students in a proper way.

To prove or disprove the "Accountability".

This is the reason why civil lawsuits exist, no?

I honestly don't understand the uproar.

JMO

Civil suits don't exist for transparency and change, no. They do exist for accountability when someone has done something to harm you. WSU did nothing to harm the Goncalves family. They are not responsible for the actions of another human being off campus and after work hours.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Whether suing the university is a waste of legal process or not and whether anything happens from it might not be the entire point.

Even if it goes nowhere, they are getting a very important subject matter talked about, publicized and looking for change somewhere or somehow to stop the rise of these types of acts of violence.

Let's face it, incel/misogynistic type crimes seem to be on the rise. There's lots of online programming targeted to the demographic of young, lonely, antisocial, incel type men and it's not going away.

This behaviour needs to accounted for and victims need to feel safe enough to report these things and maybe some consequences. These crimes will rise if something doesn't change. So whether they win or not, just getting thought provoking concepts out there might help a little. JMO MOO

I agree 100%, which is why I wish they would channel their energy into making real change happen through advocacy and policy. Lawsuits don't do that. They do the opposite in the short term because pending litigation generally means no one can talk to anyone, so the topic isn't discussed at all until the court case is resolved.

MOO.

 

[LinasK]

The problem is no one can really point out what WSU should have done differently here. I'm all for positive change, but the phrase positive change without anything more substantial behind it is just a phrase. What needs to be change? Change for the sake of change is actually not good, IMO. Change should have tangible goals behind it that improve the situation/circumstances/policies. From the information that's been released, it seems WSU did a great job actually in responding to complaints about him within the parameters of the law.

I feel for the families victims. I also think a lawsuit against WSU is the wrong choice. The allegations alone have the potential to damage WSU's reputation and the institution isn't the one that did this nor could they have prevented it, IMO. It just hurts them and it clogs up the court system. I understand they want/need answers. I just don't agree with going about it this way. If their goal is answers, I think they're better off focusing on police and demanding answers there.

MOO.

I'm with you on this one. I fail to sue how a lawsuit against WSU effects change, nor how they are even remotely responsible for his behavior off-campus in another state.

 

[Megnut]

Sexual harassment is a crime. Per Washington State law.

The University is under no obligation to share publicly or with the families anything... except by subpoena. Which IMO what a civil lawsuit is for, to compel discovery. We don't know what WSU knew, when they knew about it, etc. This is a way the legal way to find that out.

JMO

Sexual Harassment Law | Washington State

www.atg.wa.gov

 

[LinasK]

Sexual harassment is a crime. Per Washington State law.

The University is under no obligation to share publicly or with the families anything... except by subpoena. Which IMO what a civil lawsuit is for, to compel discovery. We don't know what WSU knew, when they knew about it, etc. This is a way the legal way to find that out.

JMO

Sexual Harassment Law | Washington State

www.atg.wa.gov

So basically a fishing expedition? What if they did EVERYTHING by the book- what does it accomplish then???

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Sexual harassment is a crime. Per Washington State law.

The University is under no obligation to share publicly or with the families anything... except by subpoena. Which IMO what a civil lawsuit is for, to compel discovery. We don't know what WSU knew, when they knew about it, etc. This is a way the legal way to find that out.

JMO

Sexual Harassment Law | Washington State

www.atg.wa.gov

The link says illegal. Illegal is not the same as criminal. I'm sure there is some level at which it's elevated to criminal, but let's face it, no one is getting arrested for telling sexual jokes or making innuendos. That just wouldn't happen in any state, even if it falls under a sexual harassment statute. MOO.

I don't remember the details of the harassment complaints against BK now. But I don't recall any of them being outright criminal or necessitate law enforcement involvement from what I do remember.

MOO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I agree 100%, which is why I wish they would channel their energy into making real change happen through advocacy and policy. Lawsuits don't do that. They do the opposite in the short term because pending litigation generally means no one can talk to anyone, so the topic isn't discussed at all until the court case is resolved.

MOO.

Great point! The courts might limit talking but the media will still report on it. I'm hoping they do seek other avenues in the future to make really big changes if possible as you mentioned, I would love that.

I think Gabby Pepito's mom/parents have really tried to bring awareness to such subject matters. I admire parents that can do that and possibly save one life!

 

[minazoe]

Neither bullying nor sexual harassment are criminal acts. And as far as we know, there STILL isn't enough information for law enforcement to connect him to any other crime, and by now the police know everything there is to know about his time in that area. The fact that they still don't have enough to confirm he was behind the break-in or other crimes suggests something. I don't think law enforcement would have been involved in this case until the murders.

MOO.

that's what I said. but they would have investigated and he would have known they were aware of him. he should have been reported and made aware of it...they could have questioned him. it might have scared him off from what he ultimately did.
mOO

 

[Cedars]

He was fired as a TA.

Criminal profilers have speculated that his failures in his doctoral ambitions may have precipitated the murders...

 

[LinasK]

that's what I said. but they would have investigated and he would have known they were aware of him. he should have been reported and made aware of it...they could have questioned him. it might have scared him off from what he ultimately did.
mOO

Doubtful. Someone like that is determined to find a way to make their fantasies happen. I think he still would have murdered, just maybe somewhere else.