GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[pittsburghgirl]

Re the wine

It was during a department outing, right?
So,
a social occasion.

I noticed many introverts help themselves with alcohol during parties
to help them relax, shed inhibitions and socialize.

JMO

He is a former addict drinking a whole bottle of wine as a first-year grad student at a college event, when most people (not addicts, not killers) are trying to make the best possible Impression on faculty.

 

[cottonweaver]

dbm

 

[cottonweaver]

Couple interesting tidbits.

Minutes after reading about the search for a Hyundai Elantra, Kohberger began searching for car detailing shops, and searching for used cars.

They only have these searches because he was arrested before he was able to wipe his devices again.

If you haven’t read about Wayne Nance, “To Kill and Kill again: The Terrifying True Story of Montana’s Baby Faced Serial Sex Murderer,” is a great read.

I don’t know why they haven’t made a movie out of it yet, as the ending he met is worthy of any Hollywood movie.

Bryan Kohberger Grew Increasingly Paranoid in the Hours Before His Arrest, Started Searching for Used Cars (Exclusive)

The digital forensics team tasked with examining the cell phone and hard drive of Bryan Kohberger revealed what the cnvicted killers was searching for and downloading the day before his arrest.

people.com

Wayne Nance - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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I've never heard of Nance but yes that's horror/psychological movie material for sure.

Boss and his wife
By the time he's downloading that he's finally got the termination letter from WSU. This is100% baseless speculation but could he have been considering revenge against a WSU staffer & their spouse, if he wasn't caught?

Or is it just the woman, the prowling and unrequited obsession that got BK's interest? Also Nance was a runner! ( final sentences of your screenshot)


BTW The Cellebrite couple in the Levy interview also said he was v interested in a link named SK Timelines. They didn't give the URL & there are a few out there
Here's a possibility, by Radford Univ

Serial Killer Timelines

 

[Dotta]

He is a former addict drinking a whole bottle of wine as a first-year grad student at a college event, when most people (not addicts, not killers) are trying to make the best possible Impression on faculty.

Mind you,
This guy is not right in the head.

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Went back to a very old msm report to see if it has any details about his drinking.
Maybe it was for ' Dutch courage' before approaching women? Despite having told the other WSU student that he couldn't understand why people drank alcohol

Bryan Kohberger harassed women at Pennsylvania brewery: report

Bryan Kohberger, accused of brutally murdering four University of Idaho students last month, frightened female staffers at a Pennsylvania brewery near his hometown, according to a report.

nypost.com

Around May 2022 when he was at De Sales

' The brewery, which scans everyone’s IDs, has a system in which staff members can add notes or comments about a patron that will pop up on a screen whenever the ID is scanned again, Serulneck told the network.

“Staff put in there, ‘Hey, this guy makes creepy comments, keep an eye on him. He’ll have two or three beers and then just get a little too comfortable,” he said.'
Kohberger would ask women — staff or customers — who they were at the brewery with, and where they lived, Serulneck said. If the women weren’t interested, “he would get upset with them a little bit.”

In one instance, Seruneck recalled he called an employee a “” when she declined to answer his questions.

Serulneck said he was forced to confront Kohberger during his final visit to the brewery.

“I went up to him and I said, ‘Hey Bryan, welcome back. We appreciate you coming back. … I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure that you’re going to be respectful this time and we’re not going to have any issues,’” Serulneck said he told the alleged murderer, who was stunned

“He was shocked that I was saying that, and he said, ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about. You totally have me confused.’”



( Ever the liar - similar to what he was like with his parents if he was ever busted in earlier years)

 

[Chloegirl]

He is a former addict drinking a whole bottle of wine as a first-year grad student at a college event, when most people (not addicts, not killers) are trying to make the best possible Impression on faculty.

Busted! Former addicts do not typically drink, have green leafy substances when arrested, and so I am going to say he was using the moment he got to the area. Not clean and sober. Got away from the family, back into habits, out of control. JMOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

The time difference for her as well! 5am calls then bedtime?
Hope this poor mother could nap during the day

I think Mrs. K enabled the murderer, whether from unconditional love or from fear of what he may do if he felt rejected or unwanted based on past behaviors. She is still a victim of his to me.

I would hope a mother of a 28 year old attending CJ Doctorate studies would be able to set some very important boundaries. It sounds like the murderer called the shots in the emotional relationships within the family. I will always believe he was a problem child from very early on.

Maybe Mom(ther) felt some sort of guilt because of the murderer's strange behaviors and actions and in turn, overcompensated in an effort to 'fix' him. Which is common, but can also be dysfunctional itself.

Oh to know the real story of the family dynamics of the entire family from the time the murderer entered the picture and onward. Isn't there quite an age difference between him and his 2 sisters?

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

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The murderer is the one who opened up his entire innocent family to this intense scrutiny by killing four young adults of other parents and loved ones.

Unfortunately, this case will never be closed for them and all the other people affected (Survivors, LE, UI and the Community as a whole) by the murderer's actions that night. HE made them all victims, including his own family.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

My comment was in sympathy for the time difference and interruption of life/sleep/emotional energy of a retired older mom of what should be a fully launched 28 year old 3rd born finally out from under them and across the country in a PhD program.
It’s ODD as well especially when said failure to launch creep brutally slaughtered 4 beautiful young students who did launch successfully.
It ALL invites speculation, interest and examination
No one is expecting to know what was said but we’re a typically curious bunch here trying to understand the dynamics, pathology and backstory of what made BK

Books will be written asking all the same questions and more

Agree, Books, TV series and Specials already with plenty more in the pipeline I'd guess.

The murderer caused this, not his parents, but they will unfortunately suffer the consequences.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

I never caught before BK turned his wifi off 2 days before the murder.

 

[cottonweaver]

Go back to that old ' People' link I posted on this page

Was that the pre-Washington MO? ( from at least as far back as May 2022)

Kohberger would ask women — staff or customers — who they were at the brewery with, and where they lived, Serulneck said. If the women weren’t interested, “he would get upset with them a little bit.”

Trawl for women. ( public places, bars etc)
Select the right ' specimen' as he told the WSU TA ( Mass Guy's links)
Try & find out name ( SM Cyber stalk opportunities if they give him their full name , download images etc)
In case he can't get that detail, ask them where they lived ( Prowl and creep around the area and streets where they lived. Find the house. Scope it for ease of access or just voyeurism etc)
Planning! ( At least in this link, he's not using typical pick-up lines or even Qs like 'Are you single?', ' What are you studying?' etc )

Feels like the brewery manager told us the MO, back in late Dec 2022

ETA - actually it implies he asked ' who are you with' not ' who are you'

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I never caught before BK turned his wifi 2 days before the murder.

Thanks, Warwick7. I'm glad you reposted this--and thanks for doing that on the last thread. This is a fascinating interview. One thing I learned is that the simple device of turning off the phone before committing a crime is evidence in itself, first because that is not the killer's usual pattern, and second because it's part of a number of other actions preparing for the crime. The Cellebrite experts also made me wonder even about the value of leaving the phone behind, if that also in not usual for the killer. I hope everyone watches this video. The Cellebrite experts show so much evidence that would have come out at trial.

And thanks also, MassGuy, for posting all the WSU documents. We're getting a much fuller picture on how aberrant this guy really is between his bizarre behavior toward women at WSU and his controlling and dependent behavior in his relationship with his mother. Inmate hated and wanted to control women; I love to hear a top psychologist consider his insistence on speaking to his mother on demand in terms of control of her and dependency on her. It's likely that his parents hoped that going to grad school in Washington was the launch into adulthood that they hoped for. But the phone calls must have shown them he would never actually launch. No wonder the dad flew out to escort him back--he wouldn't have been able to spend hours every day talking to his mother if they were on the road.

 

[Warwick7]

DM thought it was KG going up the steps. It wasn’t.
DM thought it was KG crying in the bathroom. It wasn’t.
DM though KG was running down the stairs. It wasn’t.
DM thought the man used Kaylee's name. He didn't. M00

 

[Inthedetails]

Busted! Former addicts do not typically drink, have green leafy substances when arrested, and so I am going to say he was using the moment he got to the area. Not clean and sober. Got away from the family, back into habits, out of control. JMOO

Geez, I actually forget he was an addict.
Makes the comment about wondering why people drink all the more curious.

In his case, I'm thinking he wanted to try the experience of it - not thinking at all about how others would feel about him drinking a bottle, but wanting for HIMSELF to know what it was like. But, he's a herion addict, so yeah, that's odd.

Did he go straight to herion as a teenager and skip experimenting with alcohol? Was he wondering why people would drink when they could shoot up for a stronger experience?

jmo

 

[Arkay]

Low-budget film - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IMO only—-

The family dynamics must have been extremely trying for BK’s family. For 27 long years, it seems they did all they could to help him through his OCD, his lack of friends, his autism if true, his heroin habit, his fluctuating weight, his failures at so much, such as flunking out as a wanna-be cop, etc.

Then he was 28, far away, they didn’t know he would kill, they just wanted him to fit in.

The above link and excerpt goes along with my opinion that the sister with the horror film is not really so unusual.

Maybe because this is NYC, but I know quite a few people who decided they were filmmakers. A low-budget horror film is easy. Your friends or family members are the actors, and they mostly just have to scream authentically even if they cannot act. IIRC, Spielberg also made a little film at home first, and these aspirational filmmakers think they’ll be the next big thing.

Of course most of the movies are crap and go nowhere, but here is my point:

I don’t consider the sister with the horror film to be weird. She’s grown up and has a profession. To our knowledge she has committed no crimes.

Did a horror film involving his sister affect BK’s desire to kill? None of us know, but IMO you’d have to be predisposed to violence anyway, because mostly these films are simply vanity projects of one’s youth.

I know many think his sister’s foray into horror films did impact him, but I don’t want her to take the blame for something that I believe never crossed her mind.

All just my opinion. Oh, also, one of my friend’s sons actually did act in a low-budget film that made it into a film festival, which encourages many people to think they’ll be stars.

 

[Helechawagirl]

My spicy sense is telling me these crime scene photos were heavily redacted! They don’t match up with the descriptions. One of the LE said that there was a blanket covering Ethan’s midsection. When he said this, his body language noticeably changed. And I believe they said he was partially off the bed.

I almost think the intentional release of these “altered” photos is an attempt to prevent the details from becoming public knowledge. I also think that’s why they pushed the the plea deal so hard. They did not want those photos and details revealed on public—and likely didn’t want the circus of a trial and definitely not the video footage of a firing squad death.

We hear descriptions of “so much blood” but only specs are seen.

Interesting detail—his phone had only 18 contacts and the contacts were listed as Mother, Father..which is how he addressed them. He also spoke with his mother every day—and spent 3 hrs on the phone with his mom the morning after the murder.

 

[Warwick7]

omg!
All that blood cast off in the living room!!

 

[cottonweaver]

I never caught before BK turned his wifi off 2 days before the murder.

This really does sound like the link the Cellebrite guy is describing ( at 22.30 mins)
At the A-Z is Harvey Glatman ' glamour girl slayer/ lonely hearts killer. ' One of the SKs he was interested in ( at 2mins 30)

Just clicked on Glatman's name. Graphic but worth a skim - read

Serial Killer Timelines

 

[gremlin444]

Just started the ISP documents. Interesting how opinions go back and forth between different friend's (and even past roommate's) accounts as to how frequently the back door vs the front door was used at that house.

But one thing from supplement #0015 (starts on page 48) in an interview with the girl who still had her name on the lease but had decided not to move back into the house for the school year (she had graduated in May):

from item 27

"Sgt. Hoxie asked why she thought someone would want to harm her friends. She thought it was someone who was watching. She was always afraid of that. She always had an uneasy, weird feeling at the house, which is one of the reasons she didn't want to go back. She felt the house was easy to get into and easy to watch because they didn't have any blinds over the windows and layout of the house. REDACTED had told REDACTED the sliding glass door was broken at one point. If the door was jiggled just right, the door would unlock."

In the crime scene photo of the open sliding door, the latch and the handle knob were in the locked position, FWIW.

 

[Dotta]

"Sgt. Hoxie asked why she thought someone would want to harm her friends. She thought it was someone who was watching. She was always afraid of that. She always had an uneasy, weird feeling at the house, which is one of the reasons she didn't want to go back. She felt the house was easy to get into and easy to watch because they didn't have any blinds over the windows and layout of the house. REDACTED had told REDACTED the sliding glass door was broken at one point. If the door was jiggled just right, the door would unlock."

In the crime scene photo of the open sliding door, the latch and the handle knob were in the locked position, FWIW.

This is called "premonition".
It seems that people with heightened emotions experience it.

Or simply,
being naturally cautious
she saw the safety hazards of this house.
Her instinct didn't fail her.

JMO