GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[Dotta]

yep, none of it surprises me
I'm sure there are dozens of stalking victims in his past that we'll never even hear about
if only he'd been caught then

I was thinking about interviews with the murderer
& books about him.

 

[Kemug]

I don't agree that either of BK's parents are responsible for enabling his behaviour and actions in any way at all. For all we know, they were terrified of him.

 

[LadyL]

I was thinking about interviews with the murderer
& books about him.

yes, that too

 

[FromGermany1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1955999392818966821

"..... security is not having things; it's handling things."

I bet, this sentence was underlined. MOO

 

[indicolite22]

His cellmate told the investigators that BK watched all the different media reporting on his case, but turned it off as soon as they started talking about his family. He also watched the coverage about the Murdaugh case. So his punishment will be watching Court TV all day?

 

[whirrledpeas]

Here is a Google drive link to the Idaho State Police documents:

ISP Documents - Google Drive

Can/should this be added to the media thread?

 

[Stratocaster]

I wish....

I wish Kaylee pursued her exciting new IT job in Austin TX, and able to enjoy her new vehicle recently purchased
I wish Madison continued her senior year as a marketing major, and continue with her new internship
I wish Xana continued her senior year, saw a future with Ethan, and took her dog Shoeshine for another walk
I wish Ethan could excel with his recreation tourism management career, saw a future with Xana, and put on some more country music in his Jeep


I wish this never happened....



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[AngTxGal]

"Premonition" is not necessarily some supernatural ability. it's being emotionally open to the meaning of what's around you and acknowledging and responding to your own fear and uneasiness in the situation.

I wouldn’t call it premonition but mindfulness-

Premonition would be a sense that something bad is about to happen, and it happens

Mindfulness is what I would call it.
Being fully present, aware of your surroundings, aware of your gut instincts, and act accordingly. Not dwelling on the fear to become paralyzed, but listening and not dismissing fear or gut instincts.

Learning from your past- I don’t yield to another person’s sense of safety. I use my own instincts as a guide. I don’t want to sit in fear or worry, so I take the steps I need to take to feel safe.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Why the bulky jacket?

Was he hiding something in it?

Way to wear gloves? Except his hands were bare so why?

He must have had a reason.

JMO

Yes this stuck out to me too, but I do not know the temperature outside at this time or in the building. BK was a thin guy- maybe he was cold?

I can’t make sense of it, it may be nothing at all

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

The perp is at fault, not the victims, but please tell your young people moving out on their own for the first time, to put curtains in the windows and pull them shut at night.

JMOPINION

Agree, this is the most troubling part of this case to me.
And it seems to go unrecognized, unnoticed, and unsaid because it feels like victim blaming.

I have a daughter who is 21, she thinks she is safe enough. And she also thinks she is immortal. It is so hard to teach young people the lessons that you’ve learned. They want to learn for themselves, and there are things I want her to learn without having to experience it.

Curtains and shades on all windows at night, inside lights low or off
Deadbolts on all external doors
Motion sensing outdoor lights
Random timer on floor lamp and radio
Peep hole on solid external door
Wooden stick in sliding glass door, and all sliding windows
Bear spray in purse, car, and apartment


So yeah, ignore if it feels uncomfortable to be too honest.
But, if one young woman takes a single step that makes her safer- it is worth braving an uncomfortable topic.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Mail exclusive with Ramsland


De Sales' Dr Kathleen Ramsland is trial ballooning her plan to interview him and do a book on him, imo

Personally I'd prefer it if Ramsland got De Sales to tell us about his behavior record at De Sales 2018-2022 ( Yes, ofc I don't think that will realistically happen, as previously posted)
IMO this guy didn't suddenly start exhibiting these behaviors at age 28 for just 5months



New TV series klaxon ( Henley TV show airs today)

'Dr Katherine Ramsland spoke to the Daily Mail ahead of the release of her new documentary, The Serial Killer's Apprentice, which delves into the mind and motives of infamous mass murderer Elmer Wayne Henley Jr.

I taught Bryan Kohberger about killers, here's why he must be studied

Bryan Kohberger's criminology professor has said she is 'horrified' that one of her former students went on a stabbing rampage that shocked the nation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Does anyone find it odd that BK was in two CJ programs, and one recommended him to continue his studies in the other program…
And no red flags were noticed by the experts early enough to stop him from brutal murders?

If the experts do not notice the signs, and are not confident enough in their red flags, what makes us think anyone of us could recognize red flags that could be used to prevent?

What is the solution here then?
Did reports of young women at De Sales go unreported? Or not taken seriously?
Did other concerning issues at De Sales go unreported?

The hope of such CJ, criminal psychology, forensic psychology, profiling etc. is to catch a killer before they kill, before Grape, before a terrorist attack, before there are harmed victims.

So how are we doing?? It doesn’t sound like we are moving toward prevention.
It sounds like we still are reacting.

There was enough on BK to kick him out of his PhD program… but not to investigate… until there were four bodies.
BK was in WA around seven months before committing these murders.

I find that truth quite disturbing

IMO

 

[Tragg]

Does anyone find it odd that BK was in two CJ programs, and one recommended him to continue his studies in the other program…
And no red flags were noticed by the experts early enough to stop him from brutal murders?

If the experts do not notice the signs, and are not confident enough in their red flags, what makes us think anyone of us could recognize red flags that could be used to prevent?

What is the solution here then?
Did reports of young women at De Sales go unreported? Or not taken seriously?
Did issues at De Sales go unreported?

The hope of such CJ, criminal psychology, forensic psychology, profiling etc. is to catch a killer before they kill, before Grape, before a terrorist attack, before there are harmed victims.

So how are we doing?? It doesn’t sound like we are moving toward prevention.
It sounds like we still are reacting.

There was enough on BK to kick him out of his PhD program… but not to investigate… until there were four bodies.

I find that truth quite disturbing

IMO

Dr. Ramsland has said this many times: at this point no one can identify these killers or predict their future behavior. Our belief that we can, or that parents, teachers, and others can and should, is completely false. Nor do we know what interventions with these men would have changed their course. (BK's parents did try to get him help).

That is very very disturbing, I agree.

If this issue has been studied, I suspect investigators have found that there are millions of guys who display what we see as "signs" in retrospect, but who never act out violently and who, at some point through some process, grow out of those signs and go on to live normal lives. This seems to be the result when any of our fearful stereotypes are studied.

 

[Chloegirl]

Aww

Does anyone find it odd that BK was in two CJ programs, and one recommended him to continue his studies in the other program…
And no red flags were noticed by the experts early enough to stop him from brutal murders?

If the experts do not notice the signs, and are not confident enough in their red flags, what makes us think anyone of us could recognize red flags that could be used to prevent?

What is the solution here then?
Did reports of young women at De Sales go unreported? Or not taken seriously?
Did other concerning issues at De Sales go unreported?

The hope of such CJ, criminal psychology, forensic psychology, profiling etc. is to catch a killer before they kill, before Grape, before a terrorist attack, before there are harmed victims.

So how are we doing?? It doesn’t sound like we are moving toward prevention.
It sounds like we still are reacting.

There was enough on BK to kick him out of his PhD program… but not to investigate… until there were four bodies.
BK was in WA around seven months before committing these murders.

I find that truth quite disturbing

IMO

My guess is that his behavior back in Pennsylvania near family, while objectionable was rather restrained. Psychologically, having gotten away from controls, I think he became much more free to do things his own way, escalating behaviors. maybe he returned to drugs, indulged in illegal activities, did not sleep further turning up the volume on his spin out.

What looked minor, now took over. Also, no offense to DeSales, but they are a sleepy little religious school. They knew him mostly online. WSU's criminology program attracts folks from all over the region, many of which live on what we call the west side -- Seattle. They are more affluent, aware, and of the world. Perhaps his demeanor was more accommodating to others before the success of graduation. Now, with things escalating, he was emboldened. JMOO

 

[AngTxGal]

yep, none of it surprises me
I'm sure there are dozens of stalking victims in his past that we'll never even hear about
if only he'd been caught then

If this is the case, that there may be dozens of stalking victims in the past…
And we just let that sit there like a known truth to be swallowed without reaction???
I find this disgusting, that some terrorized young women may not have been taken seriously.

Is this how it is? A guy can get by with just about anything- but we draw the line with murder?
If this is how we think, no wonder we have so many young women in dangerous situations.

Who are they going to tell- if no one is listening or doing anything about it?
Why would any bother to call 911? About a guy in the woods, peeping Tom, roofie at a bar, a guy too handsy at a club, stealing underwear, following you home or to your car…
We only have the reports that were made= what about all the reports that go unreported!!

Young girls seem completely unaware of the hateful twisted sick minds of such predators.
To the predators- college campuses, the bar scene, pretty much like shooting fish in a bucket

I find that infuriating
IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Dr. Ramsland has said this many times: at this point no one can identify these killers or predict their future behavior. Our belief that we can, or that parents, teachers, and others can and should, is completely false. Nor do we know what interventions with these men would have changed their course. (BK's parents did try to get him help).

That is very very disturbing, I agree.

If this issue has been studied, I suspect investigators have found that there are millions of guys who display what we see as "signs" in retrospect, but who never act out violently and who, at some point through some process, grow out of those signs and go on to live normal lives. This seems to be the result when any of our fearful stereotypes are studied.

I think you’ve/ Ramsland has stated what is abundantly clear based on this situation.
I’m not talking about childhood red flags, I’m talking about weeks or months in advance of these murders.
He was sitting in class with these professors- they interacted with him and he with students for Aug, Sept, Oct and half of Nov.

When did the group of professors sit down and decide he would be dropped from funding?
What was that date? Was it prior to Nov 12?

So they did not want to be around him- but no investigation was prompted into crimes he may have already committed?

He was literally a case study walking among them. And they agreed they did not want him to be among them, but not that he was a danger to others?… hmm

I’m not seeking to blame, I’m digesting the reality of criminal profiling- it can be completely blind to a murderer sitting right in front of you.
Only after people are dead are such profiles helpful?

IMO

 

[Dotta]

He was literally a case study walking among them. And they agreed they did not want him to be among them, but not that he was already a danger… hmm

I’m not seeking to blame, I’m digesting the reality of criminal profiling- it can be completely blind to a murderer sitting right in front of you.
Only after people are dead are such profiles helpful?

IMO

But, mind you, books will be written now.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Geez, I actually forget he was an addict.
Makes the comment about wondering why people drink all the more curious.

In his case, I'm thinking he wanted to try the experience of it - not thinking at all about how others would feel about him drinking a bottle, but wanting for HIMSELF to know what it was like. But, he's a herion addict, so yeah, that's odd.

Did he go straight to herion as a teenager and skip experimenting with alcohol? Was he wondering why people would drink when they could shoot up for a stronger experience?

jmo

I'm going to say IMO because I doubt I'd find the old link. But in HS he had asked a girl if she wanted to hang out with him, that he's "get a bottle". Well, the girl had a boyfriend and told him no. But when #163214 was arrested, she came forward with this.

Also, he did use weed before he began using heroin. The heroin use sounded as if it started because he wanted a different friend group.
My laptop's battery is on it's last legs and I can't copy/paste but the article is in the Independent, I googled marijuana,Casey Arntz, Kohberger.

And his friend Jack Baylis reported in the Nancy Grace video "I Am Blank" that he'd drink 3 beers, get wasted, they'd take his car keys and he'd get furious at them. He also said he'd use other "sketchy drugs." And it turns out it was Baylis' father whose coin collection and other things that were stolen by the inmate.

So he's no stranger to substance use/abuse.

 

[SMK777]

Re manipulating mentioned above

I don't see him this way.

People were creeped by him.
Students complained.
Professors wanted to get rid of him.
He didn't have any friends nor his own social circle.
He was a proverbial loner.

So what kind of manipulation are we talking about?

Manipulative people are usually charming and popular.
With wide social circle.
Surrounded by others
(who are not conscious of being manipulated).

He was alone.

His only meaningful contact is with Mother.
He doesn't need to manipulate her.
She loves him as mothers do.
And worries about him.
And tries to help him as best as she can.

JMO

Right, the manipulative type is usually like Ted Bundy; handsome, charming, popular, educated. Kohberger is a profile diametrically opposed to that, except for the education factor.

 

[AngTxGal]

Right, the manipulative type is usually like Ted Bundy; handsome, charming, popular, educated. Kohberger is a profile diametrically opposed to that, except for the education factor.

Hmm, it seems BK snowed a lot of educated adults just fine, just not his peers.

Most all of the young people who have described him- peers and neighbors and students he was awkward, rude, a bigot, lacking self awareness, disliked, avoided
He didn’t successfully date
He didn’t have a social group, friends

But Professors saw him as- bright, articulate, curious, thoughtful, intelligent, full of promise

Just maybe the young people in BKs life could see what adults could not?!
And then the facade slipped when he went to WA?

IMO

 

[xjd11]

I think you’ve/ Ramsland has stated what is abundantly clear based on this situation.
I’m not talking about childhood red flags, I’m talking about weeks or months in advance of these murders.
He was sitting in class with these professors- they interacted with him and he with students for Aug, Sept, Oct and half of Nov.

When did the group of professors sit down and decide he would be dropped from funding?
What was that date? Was it prior to Nov 12?

So they did not want to be around him- but no investigation was prompted into crimes he may have already committed?

He was literally a case study walking among them. And they agreed they did not want him to be among them, but not that he was a danger to others?… hmm

I’m not seeking to blame, I’m digesting the reality of criminal profiling- it can be completely blind to a murderer sitting right in front of you.
Only after people are dead are such profiles helpful?

IMO

Criminal profiling has come under scrutiny in recent years. I think it might go the way of handwriting analysis, polygraphs, toothmarks etc. what was once thought to be the definitive way to detect a criminal or guilt does not stand up to the test of time.