GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[AngTxGal]

I totally think he was breaking into houses long before the murders. I suspect he was in the King Road house before the night of the murders (just a guess).

I don't know how he found the time to do everyhing, tbh. He was on the phone with Mother for hours, he monopolized people in his program at school, he was a TA and had his own studies to do. He followed people around, apparently researched them (he knew the cafe worker's name and schedule), lurked around their homes, entered their homes (the co-worker whose items he re-arranged).

He was only there for about half a year!

Was he not sleeping at night and taking something to help him stay away in the day?

jmopinion

He was taking classes and working as a TA

9 hours a semester- 3 classes per week
4-6 hours a day- TA part-time
Probably grading, sitting in lectures taking notes.

The rest of his program would have been reading/ library research (as opposed to lab research), writing papers. He may have been asked to do a literature review for a prof, or annotate articles, prepare a presentation, transcribe interviews, grade papers.

An immature student doesn’t manage all that free time well. If he was accustomed to commuting and working longer hours and taking 12-15 hours per semester he probably felt like he had a lot of free time to waste.

He was spending his nights driving around- but he may not have had to be on campus at work or class until 10AM or so.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Pathological lying is characteristic for people with MH issues.

In some cases, compulsive lying can be linked to OCD's patterns of obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors.

Although,
the last one - about 1 meal a day seems to be true IMO.
He has strange eating habits + his obsession of staying thin.

JMO

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Yeah maybe telling lies is mental illness, but not always

My sister is married to a pathological liar. He will tell you a lie about anything.
Everyday life just isn’t exciting enough for him- something is always taking place in his life that is more exciting than everyone else’s life.
I have zero poker face, so he pretty much stays away from me. My face clearly must be saying- You lying bast-rd, every time he is around.
I’ve told him if there is a bird in the sky it is going to find you and crap on your head.
It is too true- he simply makes stuff up- no rhyme or reason just to have something interesting to say. For a middle aged man he is quite the drama queen.

So telling lies isn’t always a mental illness, sometimes just a liar

IMO

 

[LinasK]

Re leaked video from cell.

Now,
when I think about it,
I remember deAngelo (Golden State killer) was also secretly filmed in his cell.
The video showed him jumping on furniture with agility,
while in Court he was sitting in a wheelchair with a confused face.

Maybe leaking such prison CCTV is some kind of tradition?

I just saw one on this last night! Woman in Arkansas- appeared in court in a wheelchair- yet they had video footage of her dancing and running to the chow line in jail! Totally discredited her "Poor me" fragility defense.

 

[Ghostwheel]

BTW re any obsession to stay slim, one of the pool party guests says she could tell he used to be overweight. He was wearing a top and board shorts so the skin issue must have still been noticeable despite the tummy tuck he'd had years before.


ETA
Anyway just remembered another nugget. Recall the student who felt he'd been through her bathroom medicine cabinet, after she hosted a party for the TAs? What he did after was to go tell others that ' X takes medicine Y for condition Z'
All heavily redacted but how mean is that ?

Just mentioning that it may not have had anything to do with weight or skin issues. Some people are very afraid of sun damage, or have t shirt tan or are fish belly white (the latter would be me) so cover up where others do not.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I would like to note here that OCD can come in all forms, including setting a specific eating pattern, not being able to sleep for all the OCD thoughts going through your head, having any thoughts that tell you that you must do x (often must do x to get y). Must turn knob three times before locking. Must not eat until 3 pm. Must not ever be wrong. This last one can manifest as if the person is wrong ABOUT something, it follows the person IS wrong AS a person and the thought must be avoided at all times. Had a friend with severe OCD. The obsessions were many and often made little sense.

From what I observed and my friend told me about his OCD, that alone can mess you up far greater others realize. My own experience with someone who had it.

 

[Cool Cats]

Bryan Kohberger’s prison responds to complaints about inmates ‘taunting’ him​

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-prison-complaints/

This article contains good photos of BK's prison. NewsNation got a rare look inside the Idaho supermax prison where Bryan Kohberger will spend the rest of his life.

NewsNation learned that Kohberger was being “tormented” by his fellow inmates, who are taking turns shouting through the air ducts at him. He is in “J Block” and that block is the worst outside of being on death row.

They are now making his life absolutely miserable. They’re utilizing the vent system, they’re kicking the doors, they’re taunting him and he’s complaining to the guards.

He’s in an isolation situation, those around him can’t get to him physically. Like a prison within a prison. The guards, the most they can do is write it down or tell him, "Hey, there’s nothing we can do. You’re not in physical harm."

As I mentioned before, he should be able to buy ear plugs and ear buds for his tablet to help mute all the shouting and banging. Sounds like the inmates are kicking their own doors just to cause noise disturbance.

I assume he relies on his parents to put $$$ in his commissary account.

 

[Warwick7]

He was taking classes and working as a TA

9 hours a semester- 3 classes per week
4-6 hours a day- TA part-time
Probably grading, sitting in lectures taking notes.

The rest of his program would have been reading/ library research (as opposed to lab research), writing papers. He may have been asked to do a literature review for a prof, or annotate articles, prepare a presentation, transcribe interviews, grade papers.

An immature student doesn’t manage all that free time well. If he was accustomed to commuting and working longer hours and taking 12-15 hours per semester he probably felt like he had a lot of free time to waste.

He was spending his nights driving around- but he may not have had to be on campus at work or class until 10AM or so.

IMO

Even then in the last documents it said that if a woman was the professor he'd show up halfway through the class or sometimes not show up at all.

 

[Tragg]

Academic study drives me nuts- the promotion of textbooks and such without tangible applicable results feels like useless mind exercises or commentary. If that is what it is- let’s just call it that.

When people want answers, info to keep young people safe, the last thing they need is academic theory and commentary.

Rigorous academic study asks questions that don't occur to us, or that we wouldn't ask because we believe the truths we derive from our life experiences are universal - or that they should be. And every study that reveals new information also leads to new questions about our complex world and the complex people in it. That's one reason we find it so annoying.

We want answers that are simple and foolproof, based on information that does not challenge our preconceptions. But the world is not simple and nothing is foolproof. Science often gives us answers that make us uncomfortable, that challenge our personal truth, so we make cynical and disparaging comments about it.

Especially in the wake of horrific acts of violence, we lead with negative emotion, which is natural. But emotion interferes with our reasoning capacity - it doesn't lead us to a better understanding of causes or improved knowledge of what we can - and cannot - expect from our institutions and experts.

I think the pragmatic points you have raised are excellent and children who practice such good habits will benefit.

At this point, academic study of deadly violence cannot provide answers and solutions - but it is very important that we support continued inquiry and publication. That's the only way our descendants will ever be safer.

 

[Inthedetails]

I would like to note here that OCD can come in all forms, including setting a specific eating pattern, not being able to sleep for all the OCD thoughts going through your head, having any thoughts that tell you that you must do x (often must do x to get y). Must turn knob three times before locking. Must not eat until 3 pm. Must not ever be wrong. This last one can manifest as if the person is wrong ABOUT something, it follows the person IS wrong AS a person and the thought must be avoided at all times. Had a friend with severe OCD. The obsessions were many and often made little sense.

From what I observed and my friend told me about his OCD, that alone can mess you up far greater others realize. My own experience with someone who had it.

Useful info. Thank you. I also have someone in my life with OCD and am only just learning about it.

jmo

 

[Arkay]

I don't know how he found the time to do everyhing, tbh. He was on the phone with Mother for hours, he monopolized people in his program at school, he was a TA and had his own studies to do. He followed people around, apparently researched them (he knew the cafe worker's name and schedule), lurked around their homes, entered their homes (the co-worker whose items he re-arranged

It does seem like a lot to fit into a day, but as @AngTxGal reminded us, a college schedule involves many fewer hours than anything prior to higher education usually demands.

I imagine that quite a bit of the time he held his mother verbally hostage on the phone, he was on his cell and was multi-tasking while grading papers or anything else.

If anyone is as old as me, I grew up when the phone was a house phone, with the curly wire and rotary dial. When you were on the phone, you were only on the phone.

Obviously those days are long gone.

Just my speculation.

 

[gremlin444]

I would like to note here that OCD can come in all forms, including setting a specific eating pattern, not being able to sleep for all the OCD thoughts going through your head, having any thoughts that tell you that you must do x (often must do x to get y). Must turn knob three times before locking. Must not eat until 3 pm. Must not ever be wrong. This last one can manifest as if the person is wrong ABOUT something, it follows the person IS wrong AS a person and the thought must be avoided at all times. Had a friend with severe OCD. The obsessions were many and often made little sense.

From what I observed and my friend told me about his OCD, that alone can mess you up far greater others realize. My own experience with someone who had it.

Yup. Been dealing with it at various levels for 19 years now with my eldest (started when he was 4). OCD can really disrupt sleep and sleep patterns. He even had to do a sleep study for it. Luckily my son never vacuumed in the middle of the night (as BK's apartment neighbors at WSU reported).

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Severe visual snow can as well. And OCD and visual snow are a great chicken and egg combination.

Then there is another nasty thing that is common with bad visual snow--depersonalization/derealization (not full blown DID). And that can mess with sleep patterns as well.

Then you look at whatever migraine or psych medications he may have tried over his teen years. Ditto for potential for messing up sleep.

And even when/if one of those things improves noticeably.....if you went through a long period of sleep problems due to those issues, congratulations---you've now altered your circadian rhythms, likely developed very bad sleep hygiene. And now you've got figure out how retrain your body/brain to go back to something more normal for sleep.....and if your sleep has been messed up for a long time, it's going to be even harder to undo. Melatonin doesn't work for some people--me and the OCD kid get nightmares from even small amounts of it. My 18 yo (who has other issues) is fine on it.

Not to mention the rise in popularity in energy drinks during his teen years and young adulthood.

Likely a LOT of things went into giving him a long lasting sleep issue.

 

[Tealgrove]

I haven’t gotten terribly far reading the newest document dump but I have been reading and a few things jumped out at me and then made me rethink some things.

1. I don’t think the murderer was an incel but I do think he was an over the top misogynist as evidenced by his “relationships” with women in his circle. I honestly think he hated women. His lack of respect for his female Profs by attending classes late but not his male Profs is quite telling. Harsh grading meted out to female students but not to male students, talking over female students as if they are less than him. Blocking female students from leaving the office. Theres so much more.

2. The murderer indicated that he would not settle for any woman who not perfect. Wow!

3. I have long believed he was a voyeur/peeper. Some of the reporting in these documents certainly lead us to believe he was doing this.

4. After creeping around he finally found 1122 King Road. It was only a matter of time. I believe he saw Maddie through the window. He watched her a lot. Was she the perfect woman? The house was perfect. Maddie’s room was the only room occupied on the third floor. I’m convinced he was in the house prior to the murders. I am convinced he knew Kaylee had moved out. Maddie was all alone on the upper level.

5. Maddie was perfect. The location was perfect. The house was perfect. He went straight up. He could do what he wanted with Maddie and no one would know, after all, Kaylee was no longer there. Sure her car was there but he didn’t know that was hers. It was new.

6. But Kaylee was there. She ruined it. He beat her and stabbed her. He was so mad. Kaylee took the brunt of his anger.

7. But then Xana ruined it too. So he dealt with her.

8. I think Ethan slightly roused. He had to deal with Ethan now.

9. And then there’s Dylan. He knew he’d been heard. I’m sure he saw her but he didn’t have time to kill her. In his mind she’d probably called 911. He had to get out of there. That’s why he went back to the house. He wasn’t hearing anything. What was going on??? Surely Dylan had called 911!

10. The sheath. It was missing. He was screwed. Did he lose it? Freak out? Did he call mommy so she could settle him and calm his nerves? Oh I think that’s exactly why he called her. He needed to be talked “down”. He obviously didn’t tell her what he had done but he may have been in full panic mode. I’m sure Mommy had seen and dealt with this in the past. Call Mother.

Every woman in Pullman and Moscow was at risk. All of them.

Strictly MOO and my personal thoughts.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I am kind of surprised that no one from WSU dropped a dime on the weird PHD candidate/TA who drove an Elantra and had issues specific to females. Also, did he “change” in some way once he moved to WA? So little background on him from people in PA, a couple of students and barely friends. We know so little about him, I expected more to come out.

Separately, I am watching a docuseries on The Yogurt Shop Murders, which occurred in 1991. Bob Ayers, Amy’s father, reminds me of SG in his relationship with the investigators of his daughter’s case. He wanted to know what they knew, and they couldn’t tell him. He is still waiting for his answers.

I teach at a small university and park in the same lots as my students. I couldn't tell you the make, model or color of any student's car (other than that kid with the Ferrari). A professor teaching a graduate class may see that student once or twice a week for 3-5 hours, almost all of which time is spent in class doing the work. It's not reasonable to think his professors could "drop a dime on" BK for mass murder having known him for 10 or 12 weeks.

We know he had been confronted with his inappropriate behavior toward women in a PA brewery.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Bryan Kohberger’s prison responds to complaints about inmates ‘taunting’ him​

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-prison-complaints/

This article contains good photos of BK's prison. NewsNation got a rare look inside the Idaho supermax prison where Bryan Kohberger will spend the rest of his life.

NewsNation learned that Kohberger was being “tormented” by his fellow inmates, who are taking turns shouting through the air ducts at him. He is in “J Block” and that block is the worst outside of being on death row.

They are now making his life absolutely miserable. They’re utilizing the vent system, they’re kicking the doors, they’re taunting him and he’s complaining to the guards.

He’s in an isolation situation, those around him can’t get to him physically. Like a prison within a prison. The guards, the most they can do is write it down or tell him, "Hey, there’s nothing we can do. You’re not in physical harm."

As I mentioned before, he should be able to buy ear plugs and ear buds for his tablet to help mute all the shouting and banging. Sounds like the inmates are kicking their own doors just to cause noise disturbance.

I assume he relies on his parents to put $$$ in his commissary account.

Is he eligible for a tablet yet? In PA, inmates have rack up some days in prison before they can apply.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think in the GSK case, it was shown during sentencing to make a point that the weak old man he pretended to be in his appearances were an act. They weren't leaked by an unknown employee; they were part of the official record.

BK's leaked video very much seems more like an intrusion of privacy and violation of protocol. The leaker here should certainly be reprimanded.

I wonder if any part of that video used AI? It's just so bizarre, but then again, we are speaking about the psycho murderer. Who knows? I do think it's wrong to film inmates for sensationalism or for monetary gain.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

'He's so nice and charming': Bryan Kohberger beguiled medical staff 4 days after quadruple killing in Idaho

Bryan Kohberger made it to his routine medical appointment on November 17 when others canceled their appointments amid fear of a killer on the loose.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Lilibet]

Bryan Kohberger’s prison responds to complaints about inmates ‘taunting’ him​

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-prison-complaints/

This article contains good photos of BK's prison. NewsNation got a rare look inside the Idaho supermax prison where Bryan Kohberger will spend the rest of his life.

NewsNation learned that Kohberger was being “tormented” by his fellow inmates, who are taking turns shouting through the air ducts at him. He is in “J Block” and that block is the worst outside of being on death row.

They are now making his life absolutely miserable. They’re utilizing the vent system, they’re kicking the doors, they’re taunting him and he’s complaining to the guards.

He’s in an isolation situation, those around him can’t get to him physically. Like a prison within a prison. The guards, the most they can do is write it down or tell him, "Hey, there’s nothing we can do. You’re not in physical harm."

As I mentioned before, he should be able to buy ear plugs and ear buds for his tablet to help mute all the shouting and banging. Sounds like the inmates are kicking their own doors just to cause noise disturbance.

I assume he relies on his parents to put $$$ in his commissary account.

It seems odd to me that the inmates are interrupting their own sleep and the sleep of the other inmates to torment the Killer. What are they getting out of this except sleepless nights?

JMO

 

[Lilibet]

I totally think he was breaking into houses long before the murders. I suspect he was in the King Road house before the night of the murders (just a guess).

I don't know how he found the time to do everyhing, tbh. He was on the phone with Mother for hours, he monopolized people in his program at school, he was a TA and had his own studies to do. He followed people around, apparently researched them (he knew the cafe worker's name and schedule), lurked around their homes, entered their homes (the co-worker whose items he re-arranged).

He was only there for about half a year!

Was he not sleeping at night and taking something to help him stay away in the day?

jmopinion

BBM

Regarding his being on the phone with his mother for hours, I thought that was while he was in jail awaiting trial. Did I miss something about him doing this while he was working? It’s possible I did, but I just want to check and make sure “talking to his mom for hours while working” is a fact and not a misunderstanding. Thanks!

 

[Megnut]

Yup. Been dealing with it at various levels for 19 years now with my eldest (started when he was 4). OCD can really disrupt sleep and sleep patterns. He even had to do a sleep study for it. Luckily my son never vacuumed in the middle of the night (as BK's apartment neighbors at WSU reported).

OCD in Owls and Larks

By Jacob A. Nota, PhD, ABPP This article describes the results of a 2019 Michael Jenike Young Investigator Award, an IOCDF funded research project. SUMMARY Research has shown that differences... Read more »

iocdf.org

Severe visual snow can as well. And OCD and visual snow are a great chicken and egg combination.

Then there is another nasty thing that is common with bad visual snow--depersonalization/derealization (not full blown DID). And that can mess with sleep patterns as well.

Then you look at whatever migraine or psych medications he may have tried over his teen years. Ditto for potential for messing up sleep.

And even when/if one of those things improves noticeably.....if you went through a long period of sleep problems due to those issues, congratulations---you've now altered your circadian rhythms, likely developed very bad sleep hygiene. And now you've got figure out how retrain your body/brain to go back to something more normal for sleep.....and if your sleep has been messed up for a long time, it's going to be even harder to undo. Melatonin doesn't work for some people--me and the OCD kid get nightmares from even small amounts of it. My 18 yo (who has other issues) is fine on it.

Not to mention the rise in popularity in energy drinks during his teen years and young adulthood.

Likely a LOT of things went into giving him a long lasting sleep issue.

Why did AT never raise Visual Snow Syndrome?

She must have had reasons.

JMO

 

[indicolite22]

He hated women but was tethered to his mom. Looking to level up after the murders. How did he view his mother's role in all this? Did he expect blind support if he got caught?