GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

  • #1,841
I agree, but I do wonder whether he's already started writing about it in his cell. I'm guessing he will want a manifesto of some sort in case he doesn't make it that long in prison. With the other inmates bothering him, I wonder if he's concerned about his long-term safety there, and he wants his information out there. JMO.
Good points, to be sure...

IMO, he could be wanting to or already has/is starting to write up "his manifesto", even if only in his own head...

Maybe he's just waiting for the "vehicle" like an Ipad or whatever, or maybe he never ever plans to do so cuz he has stayed completely silent all along on any details since his arrest and through his guilty pleas.

Personally, I don't think it makes a bit of difference to him whether other inmates are "bothering him" by yelling stuff into the air ducts or whatever, because his physical safety is assured by the wardens and he's physically separated from contact with anyone but prison staff/not in GP/more like solitary confinement for his own protection AFAIK.

Not to poo poo that there is probably an underlying threat to him overall from so many quarters now that he's down for the count with 4 guilty pleas & life sentences for murder of innocents and in lockup for the rest of his born days.

But I truly believe he's not going to be able to be physically accessed by people who want to take him out... "Jeffrey Style" (Dahmer or Epstein... if Epstein's death in prison wasn't suicide of course).

JMO
 
  • #1,842
I think it's more that the felon believes that he is owed something by women. That they are inferior to him and are there to serve purposes - hence him treating female students horribly, showing up late persistently to female professors classes but never once a male professors - I believe that the felon is a mix of a misogynistic incel type and a pure selfish mommy's boy which can be, as proven, a toxic combo. Imo he believes that women are to be owned and controlled... Hell, we know that he called his mother obsessively and although we don't know the content of these calls, I can imagine them to be very self serving to HIM - Mama make ME feel better about the things that I've caused upon myself - It's control. His "close" relationship with his mother is very likely all about control over her as she will be the one woman who actually feels like she owes him something as he's her son. Same with AT, he sat there still in court whilst she did the talking because at that time, she was there to serve HIM.
He went for girls as he believed it's his right to have them do what he wants and when they didn't, it made him more and more dark inside which brings us to that awful night.

IMO

I think
his condescending treatment was directed towards women he was attracted to.
It seemed to be his disturbed way of attracting their attention.

Negative, sure,
but attention nevertheless.

This kind of behaviour reminds me of some difficult students who try to catch teacher's attention through insolence.
Because this is the only way
- in their minds -
to get noticed.

JmO
 
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I think
his condescending treatment was directed towards women he was attracted to.
It seemed to be his disturbed way of attracting their attention.

Negative, sure,
but attention nevertheless.

This kind of behaviour reminds me of some difficult students who try to catch teacher's attention through insolence.

JmO

Yes, children negative attention seeking when they first like the opposite sex. I do not think he developed emotionally past a certain age, much like a pedophile who gets stuck at like 12 years old permanently. JMOO
 
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Yes, children negative attentive seeking when they first like the opposite sex. I do not think he developed emotionally past a certain age, much like a pedophile who gets stuck at like 12 years old permanently. JMOO
Plus, I just think he had a hard time fitting in, couldn’t figure it out & couldn’t see himself as others did. I always want to know if he received any type of psychological therapy beyond his addiction problems?
 
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Yes, children negative attentive seeking when they first like the opposite sex. I do not think he developed emotionally past a certain age, much like a pedophile who gets stuck at like 12 years old permanently. JMOO

Yes.
This is something I'm considering.
I still remember how he added
"Respectfully..." addressing the Judge.
Like a pupil to a stern headmaster.
As if trying to please.

JMO
 
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  • #1,846
I think
his condescending treatment was directed towards women he was attracted to.
It seemed to be his disturbed way of attracting their attention.

Negative, sure,
but attention nevertheless.

This kind of behaviour reminds me of some difficult students who try to catch teacher's attention through insolence.
Because this is the only way
- in their minds -
to get noticed.

JmO
Yup I think attraction plays a big part in his behaviour towards women too.

Gosh, he's such a horrible creepy freak. I hate him.
 
  • #1,847
Yup I think attraction plays a big part in his behaviour towards women too.

Gosh, he's such a horrible creepy freak. I hate him.

You know what also reminds me of like a child who becomes fascinated with an insect, and the next thing you know he's ripping the wings off and killing it. It's like the curiosity is so intense that he just destroys it. JMOO

Impulse control issues.
 
  • #1,848
You know what also reminds me of like a child who becomes fascinated with an insect, and the next thing you know he's ripping the wings off and killing it. It's like the curiosity is so intense that he just destroys it. JMOO

Impulse control issues.

And his dependency on Mother.

Children are very possessive of mothers.
Want to have all of their love and attention.

JMO
 
  • #1,849
I also wonder about that. What's the connection there and why did he hate women so much but not hate his mother? I remember Ed Kemper. He depised women because of how his mother treated him growing up and then eventually killed her. Clearly, BK's relationship with his mother is different but I'm just trying to understand how it all ties together.

I don't think we know that he didn't hate his mother or what 'strange' dynamic they had.
 
  • #1,850
The how unnerves me. How did he even know his classmate had a twelve year old girl? (Maybe it came up in introductions or discussions but it's creepy to think he sleuthed it, creepy enough he used her daughter to make his sinister point).

JMO

she might not have ... he may have just wanted her to imagine it JMO
 
  • #1,851
Good points, to be sure...

IMO, he could be wanting to or already has/is starting to write up "his manifesto", even if only in his own head...

Maybe he's just waiting for the "vehicle" like an Ipad or whatever, or maybe he never ever plans to do so cuz he has stayed completely silent all along on any details since his arrest and through his guilty pleas.

Personally, I don't think it makes a bit of difference to him whether other inmates are "bothering him" by yelling stuff into the air ducts or whatever, because his physical safety is assured by the wardens and he's physically separated from contact with anyone but prison staff/not in GP/more like solitary confinement for his own protection AFAIK.

Not to poo poo that there is probably an underlying threat to him overall from so many quarters now that he's down for the count with 4 guilty pleas & life sentences for murder of innocents and in lockup for the rest of his born days.

But I truly believe he's not going to be able to be physically accessed by people who want to take him out... "Jeffrey Style" (Dahmer or Epstein... if Epstein's death in prison wasn't suicide of course).

JMO

You could be right about him feeling physically safe there. I'm hoping he will be, since I want him to stay there for many years to pay for what he did to those students and families. I just think it's likely he'll at least write about what he did, even if he doesn't try to give it to anyone for a while. Or maybe talk to Dr. Ramsland or Dr. Brucato so that they could "learn" from him. JMO.
 
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  • #1,852
he thought he was invincible and even to this day, he's not suicidal.
Didn't want the DPenalty and the leaked prison video shows they don't think he needs a suicide vest.
As commentators have said, even though he was in a medical obs room with CCTV and windows, it's not effective 24x7 suicide prevention when you have all that kit, cords and plastic bags in his cell. We have to conclude that even after sentencing , he wasn't evaluated as a suicide risk
did he have windows? I saw what looked like a window at first but concluded it was the open cubby door ... still not sure ...
 
  • #1,853
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Now that docs have been released, and the dust had settled (mostly) with the case.

Criminal profiling here, and trying to climb into 'bushy eyebrows' mind....it's been now confirmed that the two cross country LE traffic stops had zero influence on the case.

JMO, 'bushy eyebrows' would have needed a heart defibrillator after that second LE stop. At that point white Elantra's were in the nation's crosshairs, and I'm sure he felt the walls slowly closing in.
What I find interesting about those stops is that Inmate is a terrible driver who doesn't know enough not to tailgate trucks. He gets caught at it twice in just a few minutes. (And the second stop confirms what we learned in the infamous "PA has no crosswalks" stop in Moscow--that he believed no rules apply to the Inmate.
Have to reply to myself because he's going to get some of what he wanted . This video is a month old but the penny has just dropped for me because I hadn't seen the WSU documents until now.

' a desire to work with'
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at 9mins in the interview




Incarcerated in Idaho max sec, the idea of this project probably keeps him going atm
As long as he stays locked up in that small ugly cell for the rest of his life, I don't care if he lives for his chance to be a subject of his fave undergrad professor, even if he's delusional enough to think he's working with her rather than a bug under her metaphoric microscope.
 
  • #1,854
that he became a junky so early in his life is not normal. I mean a lot of kids got on junk on the east coast back in the day, 70's 80's rich kids..disaffected kids but it still is not normal. heroin is a HEAVY drug...it is 60 times stronger than it was years ago..heroin is a lifestyle and the fact that Bryan was on it tells me that his whole studious good boy routine is an act...a total act. He is dirty dirty dirty..he's not confused or just disturbed. He is a drug addict from an early age..he is conniving and entitled...he does breaking and entering..he's full of hate and thinks it's fun to steal from people and go in their houses when they aren't home and tinker with their lives to frighten them.

his mother is a touchstone and the one he manipulates and won't let go of...I'm sure he feels a lot of control over her because he can keep her tied to him no matter what. I don't know how she handles it. it's so sad.

it's almost never a mother's place or part to negate or desert their child..it just isn't really possible..so I understand.

mOO
 
  • #1,855
Not sure I get the entire gist of your post & it is hard to tell if WSU’s police department is accredited. It looks like in 2023, the WSU police department received a grant to help with accreditation. Some larger universities have accredited police departments, although, I’m not sure if it’s mainly in urban areas. The university (which includes an academic medical center), I worked for, was accredited and their jurisdiction extended at least to adjoining city’s streets and they had authority to read license plates. They were available 24 hrs every day and their dispatch was 24 hrs every day. I’m sure they worked in conjunction with the city’s police department, but I also know federal law enforcement agencies worked directly with them. I know the house was off-campus.

What does Washington State University's police force being accredited or not have to do with this? I'm honestly puzzled?

I'm saying that even though Jenkins had only worked at WSU for a few months and was "only" the chief of university police...before that he had been Chief of the city of Pullman's police force for 12 years and he and Fry had worked together in an official capacity many times before. Fry saw him as a coequal and wouldn't have told Pullman city police and not told Jenkins as well. Before anyone (whether it be Moscow police or Pullman police) started contacting the dept heads in the grad school and criminal justice and other university authorities, Fry would have told Jenkins as well.

Irregardless of when Moscow Police Chief Fry told WSU police chief Jenkins---Payne didn't get the tip from the FBI until evening on Monday, Dec 19. He didn't get all the details from the FBI about the tip until the next day. Washington State's final exams had finished the previous Friday. So, not the easiest time of year and time of day to contact higher ups there.

We also, as far as I know, do not know what time of day the termination email to BK was sent on the 19th.

In order for WSU's termination email to BK on the 19th to have been caused by Moscow being given the FBI "tip" the evening of the 19th, a lot of things would have had to all go right/smoothly/rapidly:

1. Late in the evening on the 19th, Moscow officer Payne gets the FBI tip. He tells Chief Fry.
2. Moscow police contact Pullman city police right away.

so far, easy

3. Pullman city police (or Moscow police) immediately, on a Monday night after winter break has official started, are able to contact higher ups at Washington State Univ---like president level.

Ok, not too hard.

4. High up members of the graduate school as well as the specific heads of the criminal justice grad program who have all the files and paperwork pertaining to BK's record (the student complaints about him, the professors' concerns, the improvement plan, documentation of his failure to comply and improve by the guidelines given to him) are able to be contacted by the higher ups at the university. It wouldn't be just contacting one person--at a minimum, the head of graduate school, and the head of criminal justice program and the other professor involved in his improvement plan would all have had to be contacted.

5. Washington State's legal team would have to be contacted and brought into it.

6. WSU's graduate program would have to hurry up and write a termination letter, get it signed off on by the legal team and higher ups, and then make any changes and send it before midnight.

or

6. WSU's graduate program would have had to had a termination letter already written up/approved/and ready to go before they were contacted by LE or college administration that day. It still would have likely to have had a second look given to it by the school's legal team in light of what they had just been told before it was given the green light.

To me, IMHO, it seems nearly impossible to believe that all those things managed to happen (the contacting of all those people at WSU, who were at all levels of hierarchy, getting them to coordinate with their team and with each other, have this letter either be written on the fly or editing a preexisting one and have it approved by legal and high up WSU admin, and get it sent off before midnight) in the space of what....6 hours maximum (Payne said he was notified in the evening). After school is officially out and professors are grading finals.

Per the PCA, we know BK left Pullman for the drive home around Dec 13 and was in PA by the 16th. The purported termination letter claims they met with BK on the 19th and told him he was terminated.....which, if that is true, they would have had to do via Zoom. Very very late that evening if the termination was a direct result of Moscow being told it was BK's DNA on the sheath.

MOO, I find it highly unlikely that all those things could have occurred in that short of a time period given the time of year and the time of day, no matter when Jenkins was told.
 
  • #1,856
Wasn't his phone shut off for hours 5:30pm to 8:30pm?
The PCA states:
"The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m. to 8:30 p.m"

But I've now seen several videos with the Barnharts where they mention that 5:53 pm. 96 min phone call that Sunday. They didn't elaborate about it.

One thing that is probably a factor is that when the PCA was written, the FBI didn't have physical access to his actual phone (and the Barnharts didn't start working until later I believe). All Moscow PD had at that point was the initial cellular data from AT&T.

Probably also has to do with specific wording. What exactly does not reporting to the network entail from the phone end? What means did he use to call his mom that night? I don't know the technical answers.
 
  • #1,857
that he became a junky so early in his life is not normal. I mean a lot of kids got on junk on the east coast back in the day, 70's 80's rich kids..disaffected kids but it still is not normal. heroin is a HEAVY drug...it is 60 times stronger than it was years ago..heroin is a lifestyle and the fact that Bryan was on it tells me that his whole studious good boy routine is an act...a total act. He is dirty dirty dirty..he's not confused or just disturbed. He is a drug addict from an early age..he is conniving and entitled...he does breaking and entering..he's full of hate and thinks it's fun to steal from people and go in their houses when they aren't home and tinker with their lives to frighten them.

his mother is a touchstone and the one he manipulates and won't let go of...I'm sure he feels a lot of control over her because he can keep her tied to him no matter what. I don't know how she handles it. it's so sad.

it's almost never a mother's place or part to negate or desert their child..it just isn't really possible..so I understand.

mOO

I wonder how he funded his druggie lifestyle
I don't know anything about heroin but it can't be cheap
 
  • #1,858
The PCA states:
"The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m. to 8:30 p.m"

But I've now seen several videos with the Barnharts where they mention that 5:53 pm. 96 min phone call that Sunday. They didn't elaborate about it.

One thing that is probably a factor is that when the PCA was written, the FBI didn't have physical access to his actual phone (and the Barnharts didn't start working until later I believe). All Moscow PD had at that point was the initial cellular data from AT&T.

Probably also has to do with specific wording. What exactly does not reporting to the network entail from the phone end? What means did he use to call his mom that night? I don't know the technical answers.
Interesting...
 
  • #1,859
This really gives his mind set before and after the murders.

1. "whoever did this dirty deed must have been pretty good"
2. "She then said they chatted about how University of Idaho students were about to go on winter break, BK said the killer made a "good choice" committing the murders when he did.
3. In class "he admitted the crimes were horrible, going on to say the murders could have been a one-and-done situation while discussing whether the killer would get caught."
4. Kohberger, she said, told her how an offender might avoid detection and may go through different emotions.
5. she said Kohberger commented he did not date "broken women."
 
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