GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[flowershop]

I started to watch the One Night in Idaho series today on Amazon Prime. It was so hard to hear Maddie's mother talk about how she took such care of her daughter when she was a baby and responded to all her needs. And to hear how Ethan Chapin's parents went through the IVF process to conceive. It should be mandatory viewing for BK who seems so detached from the crime he committed. JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

They may not have caught his car, but, his phone was there 23+ times.

We can never forget that those with ring cameras and cctv may have already been deleted, the fact BK was using VPNs and that he wiped his electronics clean......

For sure.

And then... potentially.... imagine the visits he didn't make by car - where he left his car further away and walked though the wood line on foot, phone on airplane ( That prowler report and sedan car sighting which Gray Hughes has now included in one of his shows)

After going through all these new documents, I do think that before he arrived in WSU end of June, he'd decided to execute an attack in WA or Idaho even though he didn't have a specific target in mind while he was still at DeSales

 

[potr]

He was grading female students harsher than men.

He often made chauvinistic and condescending remarks toward women. Etc.....

Sources: Bryan Kohberger made sexist remarks toward female colleagues https://share.google/jJkRqWecQtBfty5NC

I wonder why this was such a massive problem at WSU but appears not one at all at deSales?

 

[Ghostwheel]

I wonder why this was such a massive problem at WSU but appears not one at all at deSales?

Peer to peer, women can just avoid the weirdo in most circumstances. TA to student is a whole different dynamic. The student is either stuck or has to make a complaint.

 

[DizzyB]

For sure.

And then... potentially.... imagine the visits he didn't make by car - where he left his car further away and walked though the wood line on foot, phone on airplane ( That prowler report and sedan car sighting which Gray Hughes has now included in one of his shows)

After going through all these new documents, I do think that before he arrived in WSU end of June, he'd decided to execute an attack in WA or Idaho even though he didn't have a specific target in mind while he was still at DeSales

A KaBar is not on any dorm packing lists that I know of. Definitely a conscious decision to travel cross country with it, and I doubt he intended to use it around his apartment.

 

[Warwick7]

BBM

Regarding the phone the NYT article said:

At the time Mr. Kohberger was arrested in December 2022, about seven weeks after the killings, investigators detailed cellphone data linking Mr. Kohberger to late-night visits he had made to areas around where the killings occurred. That suggested he had studied the scene of the murders before carrying them out.

But Mr. Thompson conceded on Thursday that those visits did not necessarily prove Mr. Kohberger had visited the home or surveilled it, as the area served by the cell tower infrastructure probably extended all the way to the main highway that brings people into town from Washington, where Mr. Kohberger lived.

BBM

IMO It’s likely he surveilled the home, but it can’t be proven from the cell records.

I totally agree with you.

There is so much circumstantial evidence. Even without the dna they would have caught him and a jury would have found him guilty.

 

[Warwick7]

I wonder why this was such a massive problem at WSU but appears not one at all at deSales?

I believe DeSales was during covid, so it was mostly done online.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I wonder why this was such a massive problem at WSU but appears not one at all at deSales?

He wasn't teaching at DeSales during his master's program, which was online. As an undergrad, he of course was not teaching. He went there after community and he was a commuter for w years who didn't hang around campus.

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Lehighvalleylive.com partnered with the Law&Crime Network in the network’s weeks-long investigation into the life of the former DeSales, NCC student before the murders.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

 

[jesse]

BBM

Regarding the phone the NYT article said:

At the time Mr. Kohberger was arrested in December 2022, about seven weeks after the killings, investigators detailed cellphone data linking Mr. Kohberger to late-night visits he had made to areas around where the killings occurred. That suggested he had studied the scene of the murders before carrying them out.

But Mr. Thompson conceded on Thursday that those visits did not necessarily prove Mr. Kohberger had visited the home or surveilled it, as the area served by the cell tower infrastructure probably extended all the way to the main highway that brings people into town from Washington, where Mr. Kohberger lived.

BBM

IMO It’s likely he surveilled the home, but it can’t be proven from the cell records.

Whatever he was doing, it stopped completely after November 13.

 

[Ghostwheel]

A KaBar is not on any dorm packing lists that I know of. Definitely a conscious decision to travel cross country with it, and I doubt he intended to use it around his apartment.

What? It was on my list right there between "Items encased in that plastic you can't get open no matter what" and "100 ways to clean a knife so that nothing remains" book.

No, I lied, it's only on my camping list.....

 

[AcousticViper]

Regarding the phone the NYT article said:

At the time Mr. Kohberger was arrested in December 2022, about seven weeks after the killings, investigators detailed cellphone data linking Mr. Kohberger to late-night visits he had made to areas around where the killings occurred. That suggested he had studied the scene of the murders before carrying them out.

But Mr. Thompson conceded on Thursday that those visits did not necessarily prove Mr. Kohberger had visited the home or surveilled it, as the area served by the cell tower infrastructure probably extended all the way to the main highway that brings people into town from Washington, where Mr. Kohberger lived.

The NYT reporter has failed to convey the nuance in Bill Thompson's answer, imo.

Yes, Moscow's two cell towers on their own are powerful enough to encompass the entirety of town—something Anne Taylor was keen to highlight—but it's important to remember that each tower is composed of three antenna spanning 120°. The cell tower that provides service to King Road is just south of the highway. More importantly, the southern antenna that points directly toward King Road is distinct from the western-facing antenna that welcomes travellers from Pullman. It is from these antenna FBI CAST knew he was within 100 meters of the home.

Bill Thompson's point remains valid. Without direct evidence of stalking or video of him parking behind the home, his team must allow for the possibility that BK surveilled other premises in the neighborhood before targeting 1122.

 

[Warwick7]

The NYT reporter has failed to convey the nuance in Bill Thompson's answer, imo.

Yes, Moscow's two cell towers on their own are powerful enough to encompass the entirety of town—something Anne Taylor was keen to highlight—but it's important to remember that each tower is composed of three antenna spanning 120°. The cell tower that provides service to King Road is just south of the highway. More importantly, the southern antenna that points directly toward King Road is distinct from the western-facing antenna that welcomes travellers from Pullman. It is from these antenna FBI CAST knew he was within 100 meters of the home.

Bill Thompson's point remains valid. Without direct evidence of stalking or video of him parking behind the home, his team must allow for the possibility that BK surveilled other premises in the neighborhood before targeting 1122.

Excellent post. It's so informative I'm putting it in my personal timeline

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I started to watch the One Night in Idaho series today on Amazon Prime. It was so hard to hear Maddie's mother talk about how she took such care of her daughter when she was a baby and responded to all her needs. And to hear how Ethan Chapin's parents went through the IVF process to conceive. It should be mandatory viewing for BK who seems so detached from the crime he committed. JMO

He didn't even care enough to spare his poor parents the agony they are in now that they know what he did.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The NYT reporter has failed to convey the nuance in Bill Thompson's answer, imo.

Yes, Moscow's two cell towers on their own are powerful enough to encompass the entirety of town—something Anne Taylor was keen to highlight—but it's important to remember that each tower is composed of three antenna spanning 120°. The cell tower that provides service to King Road is just south of the highway. More importantly, the southern antenna that points directly toward King Road is distinct from the western-facing antenna that welcomes travellers from Pullman. It is from these antenna FBI CAST knew he was within 100 meters of the home.

Bill Thompson's point remains valid. Without direct evidence of stalking or video of him parking behind the home, his team must allow for the possibility that BK surveilled other premises in the neighborhood before targeting 1122.

I think he may have surveilled a number of places before settling on the King Road house.

 

[Dotta]

I wonder if it was him hiding in the bushes "befriending" poor Murphy
in cases when the dog mysteriously vanished several times.
So when he eventually broke into the house,
the dog didn't bark warningly.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

KG's sister was prepared to be arrested.

Kaylee Goncalves' Sister Alivea Says She Was 'Prepared to Be Arrested' After Statement at Bryan Kohberger's Sentencing

Alivea Goncalves has reflected on the victim impact statement she made at Bryan Kohberger's sentencing for the 2022 murder of her sister Kaylee Goncalves and three other University of Idaho students, saying she was worried that she might be arrested.

people.com

 

[Dotta]

KG's sister was prepared to be arrested.

Kaylee Goncalves' Sister Alivea Says She Was 'Prepared to Be Arrested' After Statement at Bryan Kohberger's Sentencing

Alivea Goncalves has reflected on the victim impact statement she made at Bryan Kohberger's sentencing for the 2022 murder of her sister Kaylee Goncalves and three other University of Idaho students, saying she was worried that she might be arrested.

people.com

She is such a loyal and protective big sister!
It is an honour to have her as a sibling.

 

[10ofRods]

I wonder why this was such a massive problem at WSU but appears not one at all at deSales?

We can only guess. Some of his work at DeSales was online. He was an undergrad. He was living at home (I think this is a big factor in his dysregulation once he got to Washington).

We don't know that he had zero problems at DeSales. It is a Catholic school and that could play a role too (other students might have been more reserved, so he was too).

He might have pictured going Out West as a land of freedom. Maybe some of the undergrad behavior he observed at U of I and WSU made him think people were free and wild out west.

Before we knew who did this crime, my guess here on WS was that it was an older student or someone who could blend into the student community, perhaps someone on a gap year, or a grad student.

I said that because where I went to uni (a residential university) there were a lot of men in that category just kind of...hanging out. There were 4 murders on campus in one year, from Fall to Fall. When eventually one of these was solved, the murderer was a former student (from a different uni) who was about 4 years older than his victim (a 20 year old). Of the sexual assaults on campus, the perps were often in this "hanging around" category of 25-30 year old men who wanted to party, hung out on the fringes of co-op and dorm life, attended sporting events and tried to date the women students. And I think a lot of the people that BK admired were marginal/liminal (his serial and mass murdering heroes).

IMO

 

[Arkay]

Ugh, I’m so inept at carrying over a post from a previous thread, but I’m responding regarding BK’s self-administered I.Q. test online.

Years ago when I was a 21-year old newlywed, our next-door neighbor was working on his Psychology Master’s. He needed subjects to whom he could administer a standard I.Q. test, and my husband and I allowed him to use us as subjects.

I think he wasn’t supposed to tell us how we scored—-this was decades ago—-but I had a really pleasing score and teased my husband about scoring higher than him.

When the Internet was still newish, I took one of those online I.Q. tests and my score was ridiculous. Einstein level.

Clearly, I am no Einstein, so I recognized at once that these tests were bogus. I think the world “clickbait” was not yet in common usage, but looking back that’s exactly what it was.

A true I.Q. test is administered within certain parameters and scored by someone with knowledge in this field.

Hence I do not at all believe that BK was particularly intelligent, and I confess to being very judgmental when reading his crime questionnaire. It seemed very poorly written and amateurish to me. No original thought, and IMO he’d never have obtained a Ph.D that he could orally defend before the examiners.

JMO and JME.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I wonder if it was him hiding in the bushes "befriending" poor Murphy
in cases when the dog mysteriously vanished several times.
So when he eventually broke into the house,
the dog didn't bark warningly.

JMO

This People article summarizes what the Moscow Police investigation documents say about Murphy:

Did Bryan Kohberger Win Over Kaylee Goncalves’ Dog Before Idaho Murders — Letting Him Slip into House Undetected?

The only inaccuracy I can find is the statement near the end that police found Murphy “with the bodies of Goncalves and Madison Mogen.” Instead, Murphy was found on Kaylee’s bed, with the door to her bedroom open.

From Supp 125:



IMO