GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Foxone1]

On his change in behavior following the murders.

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[Jw192]

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You'd think he'd be perpetually "hangry" by going hours and hours without food. Maybe he was. It's harder to think straight and have perspetive when there is no fuel in the body, in my observation.

No offense to anyone who eats once a day. I'm referring to BK and am assuming other people who eat infrequently are not off-kilter murderers.

I'm leaning more and more toward him being on some substance that quenches hunger and also keeps him up awake for long hours. Just a guess.

jmopinion

I'm terrible for eating once a day, I've been like it since my early teens. The thought of eating on a morning generally makes me feel sick, I tend to eat one *meal in the early evening. My doctor goes crazy with me but it's like normal to me. I'm a social eater though, so if I'm with others I will nibble when they do. I think the difference though is that the felon possibly did it as a way to be in control. We know there were weight issues years ago and I believe the weight loss journey began a very unhealthy relationship with food and it was used as a control thing. The drug use history could play a big part too!

* One meal which could be a 10 course banquet or a pack of digestives depending on the mood

 

[AuDHD]

I'm terrible for eating once a day, I've been like it since my early teens. The thought of eating on a morning generally makes me feel sick, I tend to eat one *meal in the early evening. My doctor goes crazy with me but it's like normal to me. I'm a social eater though, so if I'm with others I will nibble when they do. I think the difference though is that the felon possibly did it as a way to be in control. We know there were weight issues years ago and I believe the weight loss journey began a very unhealthy relationship with food and it was used as a control thing. The drug use history could play a big part too!

* One meal which could be a 10 course banquet or a pack of digestives depending on the mood

Same here, one meal a day but like at 330 or 4pm would be my preferred schedule but I feed my family/son all 3 meals and will nibble on lunch or dinner socially. Can’t eat for first few hours i’m awake. A lot of my adhd friends have similar eating habits JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

Same here, one meal a day but like at 330 or 4pm would be my preferred schedule but I feed my family/son all 3 meals and will nibble on lunch or dinner socially. Can’t eat for first few hours i’m awake. A lot of my adhd friends have similar eating habits JMO

Is this because of the medications? My son is on meds for his ADD and of course most of those medications suppress appetite. Meals can be a challenge.

 

[Cool Cats]

It seems odd to me that the inmates are interrupting their own sleep and the sleep of the other inmates to torment the Killer. What are they getting out of this except sleepless nights?

JMO

They hate him this much, according to a prison official interviewed by News Nation.

2 Cents

 

[pittsburghgirl]

By the time he's at WSU he can't even respect the boundaries of his seniors and supervisors in the first semester. ( It's in the Prof Snyder statement which has been linked a couple of pages back. ) He refuses to leave Snyder's office. The reportedly laid-back Snyder has to ask him to leave his office but BK won't so Snyder has to leave his own office.

Also, the 31 year old TA Ben thinks BK viewed women as ‘ articles. ’ His word, not mine. It's in his statement and separately IIRC we just learned from Cellebrite that he has, for example. a woman's number entered into his cell contacts as ' Hair'

I think you're on to something here. Two of the hallmarks of people with anti-social personality disorder is a lack of empathy toward others and a sense of superiority over others. These people don't see others as human or like themselves. As the TA's words tell us, they see others as objects to be used or observed, to be dominated and even killed.

Along with his obvious social problems getting along with others, and girls in particular, Inmate has grown up in a society that objectifies, sexualizes and devalues women. That's not new, but the toxic environments on the internet, including of a type most boys and young men wouldn't have had access to pre-internet, can radicalize people prone to this objectification. As author Jonathan Kellerman once wrote about young kids who kill, it's both nature (that thing that we can see is wrong with him) and nurture (how that got bent into monstrous shape).

 

[Dotta]

Right. Girls are under no obligation to engage in someone who is pressuring them. Given what we now know about BK in his adult years, I am comfortable projecting backward and assuming middle-school girls didn't want his attention for solid reasons. Not liking someone is not "bullying," and I'm guessing they had to be direct and perhaps not nice in trying to get him to stop. They were provoked, not being bullies for fun.

He might have misinterpreted and thought it was due to his weight or fitness, when it was about his personality.

My opinion.

jmo

Hmmm....

The problem was more complex IMO

Quote:

"Two high school friends of Bryan Kohberger's, Casey Arntz and a young woman named Bree said:

'Kohberger was overweight
and was bullied a lot in high school,
until his senior year, when he lost about 100 pounds'.

Casey Arntz says,
'He was rail thin
and It was after that weight loss that a lot of people noticed a huge switch'."

And we must remember that he was diagnosed with autism
which means
experiencing communication difficulties,
including challenges with verbal and nonverbal communication,
and understanding social cues.

So...
He might have been perceived and treated as oddity by peers.

It all seemed to have catastrophic effect on him.
He must have felt like an outcast,
not really understanding WHY???

What seemed to be "normal" for him,
could have NOT necessarily been so for schoolmates.

Children are NOT born murderers.

MH issues are very complex.

One has to study long years to understand these matters
and try to help those who are suffering.

This is My Opinion.

Quote from:

Bryan Kohberger's high school friends say the accused killer was overweight and bullied

Kohberger is charged with the murders of four University of Idaho students. His study of criminology was an attempt "to understand humans and … himself," according to a friend.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[AuDHD]

Is this because of the medications? My son is on meds for his ADD and of course most of those medications suppress appetite. Meals can be a challenge.

possibly a factor. But I’m late diagnosed, about 2 years ago now, and only started meds then. I’ve eaten like that for my whole life. I’d say going on meds may have exacerbated it for me and meds definitely made me eat less and less often.

 

[gremlin444]

re: BK's phone call habits with his parents BEFORE the crimes

I know I've seen more detailed, better articles than this one with the experts from Cellebrite, but this one will do to start. They looked at BK's phone habits prior to the murders to establish his baseline habits once he had moved to WA in order to see if/how they changed leading up to, during, and after the murders.

Bryan Kohberger Called His Mother After Idaho Murders — Once When He Got Home and Again While Driving Back to Crime Scene (Exclusive)

The digital forensics team who worked on the Bryan Kohberger case tells PEOPLE that he spent over three hours on the phone with his mother after killing four University of Idaho college students

people.com

Kohberger would mostly speak to his parents, says Barnhart, who adds that Kohberger would start calling his mother as early as 4 a.m. some days.

This information was all gathered from the Samsung Galaxy phone Kohberger owned and had purchased in June, around the same time he moved to Washington from Pennsylvania.

and

He had his parents saved as "Mother" and "Father" in his phone, says Barnhart, and would often call his mother first followed immediately after by his father if he did not get an answer.

"And he would go back and forth texting: 'Father, why did mother not respond? Why is she not answering the phone?" Barnhart says.

Expert who was to testify at Kohberger trial says ‘he prepared’ for Idaho murders

Before the DNA, before the arrest, before his name was ever made public, Bryan Kohberger was already preparing to kill. Two digital forensics experts tell Andrea Cavallier what they discovered by digging through his phone

www.the-independent.com

“Starting at 6:13 a.m. the morning after the murders, he’s calling and texting his mom and dad nonstop,” Heather said. “It was incessant. But it was also one of the only things he did that matched his normal behavior.”

That is separate from his phone calls on Nov 13

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BK's calls on Nov 13 (they appear to be listed as what time it was in WA not in PA (summarized from same articles):

6:13 a.m: BK called mom, she didn't answer
6:14 a.m. BK called dad--don't know if answered
proceeds to call and text both several times
Unknown time that a.m.: mom finally answers, call lasts 36 min
8:03 a.m. BK calls mom--call lasts 54 minutes (call ends right before his phone pings on cell tower near the crime scene
9:00 a.m. BK calls mom again, call lasts 9 min
4:05 p.m. BK calls mom again, call lasts 2 min
5:53 p.m. BK calls mom for last time that day, call lasts 96 minutes

total time on phone with mom that day: 3 hr 17 min

 

[cottonweaver]

I think you're on to something here. Two of the hallmarks of people with anti-social personality disorder is a lack of empathy toward others and a sense of superiority over others. These people don't see others as human or like themselves. As the TA's words tell us, they see others as objects to be used or observed, to be dominated and even killed.

Along with his obvious social problems getting along with others, and girls in particular, Inmate has grown up in a society that objectifies, sexualizes and devalues women. That's not new, but the toxic environments on the internet, including of a type most boys and young men wouldn't have had access to pre-internet, can radicalize people prone to this objectification. As author Jonathan Kellerman once wrote about young kids who kill, it's both nature (that thing that we can see is wrong with him) and nurture (how that got bent into monstrous shape).

On the second para yes I do think he's also been radicalized post 2010 but this is based on the new BK statements in the WSU bundle.
For me, he just doesn't seem to be the same person he was on the TapaTalks. ( More resentful, bitter and angry. )

We know he'd spent the intervening ten years living a fairly solitary but very online life. I'd happily put a wager on FBI having found he'd previously been a member of gamer chats and Incel forums. (R/eddit's dedicated forums were only banned in the late 2010s.) In the WSU docs he references ideas which were also prevalent there - eugenics/ who doesn't deserve to procreate, misanthropy, a Professor is unable to grade me accurately because she's foreign etc etc. (BTW I don't think we'll ever see the full FBI digital investigation, just as the Cellebrite couple recently explained so this hunch can't be proved )

Anyway, load the impact of thos forums on top of all of his pre-existing difficulties and challenges from childhood and teens -including something like ASPD as you suggest - and increasingly a double-life centered on specific p/orn & compulsions for hard-core violence & SK material. A catastrophic mix.

The WSU dump, plus the Cellebrite stuff explains so much. Prior to these and for so long he was viewed as an enigma, as unfathomable. Now I do feel many of the ' But why did he do it?' type questions have now been resolved, for me.


Anyway have a listen to this Levy show if you get chance, see what you make of it. Levy covers a handful of WSU documents we've already discussed on WS but she adds extra commentary


the very calculating Mr Kohberger
18mins. Perhaps BK was considering a kind of counter-attack - wrt another male member of staff - in the event that BK was disciplined for sexual harassment. (Kinda blackmail on WSU CJ Dept)

ETA - not a literal, physical attack

At 28 minutes
Angenette Levy picks up on something this WSU student noticed. After the 1122 murders, when everybody is discussing them he doesn't participate but once the students start linking them to Bundy's Chi Omega murders, she speculates that he feels more comfortable and wants to get off on talking about those with her instead


and at 36mins Levy speculates on his questioning a WSU grad he likes- where do you live and what kind of ( guard) dog do you have?
He also told this woman ' whoever did the murders must have been pretty good' and discussed why the timing was right
People in the office thought he ' might be a possible future rapist' and discuss whether he might be an incel

Included is a clip of Ann Taylor speaking in a pre-trial hearing about the hundred hours of WSU interviews and the ' unkind things' that WSU said about him, ' mean' comments' . She attempted to mischaracterize the WSU testimony as ableist & autism-related. Prosecutor interjected, we're not using them at penalty phase anyway because we have evidence which is far more aggravating.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957494933033742405

https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/

 

[Megnut]

Imagine the grave disrepect knowing one is a perfect specimen and uncanny genius yet no one properly reveres you for it.

Perpetually frustrated by the incompetence and ignorance of those around him.

Lonely on the top of one's pedestal.

Man, is he full of himself.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't think he had it, that's why. I think at the point he was posting about it, he was starting to recognize he was having pycho-socio-something-tendencies and trying to assign a syndrome to it other than there being something wrong with his precious, genius brain. moo

Right, or just straight up lying for the attention and to engage the chat group with his brilliance. This murderer is a master manipulator he could have been playing the con game all along.

I don't believe anything he has said about his life and we know he's told many lies to try and impress others.

JMO

 

[Teche]

Mail exclusive with Ramsland


De Sales' Dr Kathleen Ramsland is trial ballooning her plan to interview him and do a book on him, imo

Personally I'd prefer it if Ramsland got De Sales to tell us about his behavior record at De Sales 2018-2022 ( Yes, ofc I don't think that will realistically happen, as previously posted)
IMO this guy didn't suddenly start exhibiting these behaviors at age 28 for just 5months



New TV series klaxon ( Henley TV show airs today)

'Dr Katherine Ramsland spoke to the Daily Mail ahead of the release of her new documentary, The Serial Killer's Apprentice, which delves into the mind and motives of infamous mass murderer Elmer Wayne Henley Jr.

I taught Bryan Kohberger about killers, here's why he must be studied

Bryan Kohberger's criminology professor has said she is 'horrified' that one of her former students went on a stabbing rampage that shocked the nation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Places herself in the limelight.

 

[indicolite22]

On the second para yes I do think he's also been radicalized post 2010 but this is based on the new BK statements in the WSU bundle.
For me, he just doesn't seem to be the same person he was on the TapaTalks. ( More resentful, bitter and angry. )

We know he'd spent the intervening ten years living a fairly solitary but very online life. I'd happily put a wager on FBI having found he'd previously been a member of gamer chats and Incel forums. (R/eddit's dedicated forums were only banned in the late 2010s.) In the WSU docs he references ideas which were also prevalent there - eugenics/ who doesn't deserve to procreate, misanthropy, a Professor is unable to grade me accurately because she's foreign etc etc. (BTW I don't think we'll ever see the full FBI digital investigation, just as the Cellebrite couple recently explained so this hunch can't be proved )

Anyway, load the impact of thos forums on top of all of his pre-existing difficulties and challenges from childhood and teens -including something like ASPD as you suggest - and increasingly a double-life centered on specific p/orn & compulsions for hard-core violence & SK material. A catastrophic mix.

The WSU dump, plus the Cellebrite stuff explains so much. Prior to these and for so long he was viewed as an enigma, as unfathomable. Now I do feel many of the ' But why did he do it?' type questions have now been resolved, for me.


Anyway have a listen to this Levy show if you get chance, see what you make of it. Levy covers a handful of WSU documents we've already discussed on WS but she adds extra commentary


the very calculating Mr Kohberger
18mins. Perhaps BK was considering a kind of counter-attack - wrt another male member of staff - in the event that BK was disciplined for sexual harassment. (Kinda blackmail on WSU CJ Dept)

At 28 minutes
Angenette Levy picks up on something this WSU student noticed. After the 1122 murders, when everybody is discussing them he doesn't participate but once the students start linking them to Bundy's Chi Omega murders, she speculates that he feels more comfortable and wants to get off on talking about those with her instead


and at 36mins Levy speculates on his questioning a WSU grad he likes- where do you live and what kind of ( guard) dog do you have?
He also told this woman ' whoever did the murders must have been pretty good' and discussed why the timing was right
People in the office thought he ' might be a possible future rapist' and discuss whether he might be an incel

Included is a clip of Ann Taylor speaking in a pre-trial hearing about the hundred hours of WSU interviews and the ' unkind things' and WSU said about him, ' mean' comments' . She attempted to mischaracterize the WSU testimony as ableist & autism-related. Prosecutor interjected, we're not using them at penalty phase anyway because we have evidence which is far more aggravating.

I think I heard it also on Angenette Levy's podcast that KB once speculated in class (or among colleagues) that the Moscow murders were perhaps a "one and done" type of crime.

The Cellebrite couple told Brian Entin that KB often took photos of his surroundings and sent them to his parents. He also took a lot of selfies but never sent them to anyone or posted them anywhere.

 

[cottonweaver]

I think I heard it also on Angenette Levy's podcast that KB once speculated in class (or among colleagues) that the Moscow murders were perhaps a "one and done" type of crime.

The Cellebrite couple told Brian Entin that KB often took photos of his surroundings and sent them to his parents. He also took a lot of selfies but never sent them to anyone or posted them anywhere.

Yes that stood out. It's the same female student ( where do you live & which dog) I wondered if he was trying to throw them off because she'd said something like -could be a SK.

Another thing stood out in the documents, although it's not in her show. In the WSU dump the interviewees reference a potluck they held. It was just before winter break and he turned up wearing all black, including black gloves. IDK the exact date but if he's so compulsive and voyeurism is an engrained pattern developed over years in PA, maybe he felt the urge to start prowling again in December ??

 

[Chloegirl]

Imagine the grave disrepect knowing one is a perfect specimen and uncanny genius yet no one properly reveres you for it.

Perpetually frustrated by the incompetence and ignorance of those around him.

Lonely on the top of one's pedestal.

Man, is he full of himself.

JMO

I have to comment on this. Others cannot procreate? His looks have been distracting from the get-go, and I do not mean in a good way. Proportions of his body are off, and I do not want to be unkind or judgmental.

I have seen AI generated photos and immediately knew it was that because it was so flushed out, regular, there were no spaced out looking staring eyes, odd lumbering stance, and lurchy movements. How can he not know what he looks like, how he comes across, how inept he is in society? That is of course rhetorical. JMOO

 

[Warwick7]

re: BK's phone call habits with his parents BEFORE the crimes

I know I've seen more detailed, better articles than this one with the experts from Cellebrite, but this one will do to start. They looked at BK's phone habits prior to the murders to establish his baseline habits once he had moved to WA in order to see if/how they changed leading up to, during, and after the murders.

Bryan Kohberger Called His Mother After Idaho Murders — Once When He Got Home and Again While Driving Back to Crime Scene (Exclusive)

The digital forensics team who worked on the Bryan Kohberger case tells PEOPLE that he spent over three hours on the phone with his mother after killing four University of Idaho college students

people.com

Kohberger would mostly speak to his parents, says Barnhart, who adds that Kohberger would start calling his mother as early as 4 a.m. some days.

This information was all gathered from the Samsung Galaxy phone Kohberger owned and had purchased in June, around the same time he moved to Washington from Pennsylvania.

and

He had his parents saved as "Mother" and "Father" in his phone, says Barnhart, and would often call his mother first followed immediately after by his father if he did not get an answer.

"And he would go back and forth texting: 'Father, why did mother not respond? Why is she not answering the phone?" Barnhart says.

Expert who was to testify at Kohberger trial says ‘he prepared’ for Idaho murders

Before the DNA, before the arrest, before his name was ever made public, Bryan Kohberger was already preparing to kill. Two digital forensics experts tell Andrea Cavallier what they discovered by digging through his phone

www.the-independent.com

“Starting at 6:13 a.m. the morning after the murders, he’s calling and texting his mom and dad nonstop,” Heather said. “It was incessant. But it was also one of the only things he did that matched his normal behavior.”

That is separate from his phone calls on Nov 13

**************

BK's calls on Nov 13 (they appear to be listed as what time it was in WA not in PA (summarized from same articles):

6:13 a.m: BK called mom, she didn't answer
6:14 a.m. BK called dad--don't know if answered
proceeds to call and text both several times
Unknown time that a.m.: mom finally answers, call lasts 36 min
8:03 a.m. BK calls mom--call lasts 54 minutes (call ends right before his phone pings on cell tower near the crime scene
9:00 a.m. BK calls mom again, call lasts 9 min
4:05 p.m. BK calls mom again, call lasts 2 min
5:53 p.m. BK calls mom for last time that day, call lasts 96 minutes

total time on phone with mom that day: 3 hr 17 min

Wasn't his phone shut off for hours 5:30pm to 8:30pm?

 

[gremlin444]

Has anyone seen anything in all the ISP documents (or any others) or any interviews, etc, about the fellow female CJ grad student we learned about in the Dateline episode?

We had heard about her vaguely before in regards of her having an apartment break in, being scared, and asking BK to install a security camera for her.

Then in the Dateline episode they gave her name (SO NOT COOL), and said she shared an office with him. Said she had a crush on him (AGAIN, NOT COOL, UNLESS THEY INTERVIEWED HER AND SHE GAVE PERMISSION). They said the night she discovered the break in (burnt cake moved from kitchen counter, bathroom toiletries moved around), she called BK and asked to stay at his apt (she lived in the same complex). She eventually wondered if it has been him who had entered her apartment because that day, she had went to get her apt keys from her office desk drawer (where she always put them) and they were gone. She said she had been out of the office earlier for a bit, but when she discovered the keys were gone, BK wasn't in the office. Later he came in, and she asked him if he had seen the keys--he said no. But they turned up later that day.

The only reason I'm asking is because the ISP dump includes tons of interviews with other grad students in the program and accounts of BK being in their offices and preventing them from leaving/coming in uninvited. It struck me that I didn't recall seeing any interview that could have been with her (and I think he may have even had 1 more office mate).

Maybe ISP is not releasing documents pertaining to her/that incident in order to protect her privacy and that's fine. After all, we've not seen anyone else other than Dateline mention that she was an office mate, supposedly had a crush on him, or seen her name elsewhere. I'm sure there was at least a subset of Probergers after the Dateline episode that tried to find and attack her via email/social media.

I was just wondering if I had missed it in the recent document dumps.

 

[Nichevo]

Regarding the ISP document dump, is that blue stain running down the wall next to the backpack blood cast off ?!? Is that what it looks like with disclosing solution?