GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[indicolite22]

Twelve complaints made and it wasn't even a full semester. That continues to amaze me. It's almost as if he were driven to get as many complaints as possible.

And, I'm thinking there were people who didn't make formal complaints. So many people try deal with people like BK on their own, through avoidance, etc. without actually making a complaint.

To rack up a dozen in just a few months is astonishing. It's like a tornado hit WSU.

jmo

He was just consistently being his awful self. Was he made aware of the complaints? Did he receive any warnings before he was fired from his teaching position?

 

[Inthedetails]

He was just consistently being his awful self. Was he made aware of the complaints? Did he receive any warnings before he was fired from his teaching position?

Yes, he was warned. He had meeting to set up an improvement plan and he was not following it.

jmopinion

 

[Dotta]

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Yes, he was warned. He had meeting to set up an improvement plan and he was not following it.

jmopinion

And IMO!!!
It was a good pretext to get rid of him!

He was/is a stain on University's reputation - IMO again.

Imagine a mass murderer being a teacher in Criminology Department!

And nobody was any wiser!

Jeez!!!

It is like Lucy L. serial killer of babies in British Hospital.

And guess what??
She became a poster nurse of this hospital
appearing on a poster promoting this Institution
smiling benevolently at the audience.



Ummm...
Life is stranger than fiction!

JMO

To add
Hospital is for patients - and they were murdered.
University is for students - and they were abused and humiliated.

 

[gremlin444]

I think it's funny he was appealing the termination. M00 9nce he left he wasn't coming back.

1. BK leaves his home. Leaves behind a coverall tag and Walmart receipt on a bathroom shelf. He also takes ALL his clothes.

2. Dec 19, 2022 FB8 had located a close family member of BK causes a genealogy"hit" relative to BK . Got BK's name.

3. Dec 19, 2022 BK is officially terminated at his job. The same day they got his name. That can't be a coincidence.

4. He is arrested Dec. 30th

5. Dec 30, 2022 WSU issued a No Trespassing Order against BK. Same day as the arrest. Again not a coincidence.

Head of WSU police, Chief Jenkins, wasn't told about BK until Dec 28.

Payne got the "tip" during the evening hours of Dec 19, when it would have been highly unlikely for anyone in LE to get a hold of someone in the CJ dept or WSU high ups. Payne didn't even get the detailed info from FBI that night--it was the next day during a virtual meeting with the FBI.

So, unless the FBI immediately called WSU before telling Payne (which seems like a BIG LE no no) and started asking about BK....and unless WSU was able to hold a very late hours emergency meeting to all agree on dismissal, get the dismissal typed up, and send it to BK late that evening, it seems unlikely the dismissal was due to FBI having just informed Moscow of the tip.

Moscow LE applied for their first warrant re: BK on Dec 23 to get his phone records. They used those 4 days between finding out and the warrant to start looking into who BK was--getting info about him from the DMV, getting the body cam info from his traffic stop in Moscow, going back to all the video footage and looking for his car.

It's entirely possible Moscow LE or ISP started contacting WSU's crim justice program and asking about BK before Jenkins was told on Dec 28...but that also seems like a big LE no no, especially considering that Chief Fry and Chief Jenkins were old friends.

 

[kaen]

Haven’t watched this yet but it should be interesting.

Fascinating. Amazing team of investigators. I love that they didn't watch any news or crime shows to avoid getting tainted by the noise. Rather they stuck to finding the information in an unbiased way. Also that they are available to families is awesome to help they get context or understanding.

 

[Warwick7]

Head of WSU police, Chief Jenkins, wasn't told about BK until Dec 28.

Payne got the "tip" during the evening hours of Dec 19, when it would have been highly unlikely for anyone in LE to get a hold of someone in the CJ dept or WSU high ups. Payne didn't even get the detailed info from FBI that night--it was the next day during a virtual meeting with the FBI.

So, unless the FBI immediately called WSU before telling Payne (which seems like a BIG LE no no) and started asking about BK....and unless WSU was able to hold a very late hours emergency meeting to all agree on dismissal, get the dismissal typed up, and send it to BK late that evening, it seems unlikely the dismissal was due to FBI having just informed Moscow of the tip.

Moscow LE applied for their first warrant re: BK on Dec 23 to get his phone records. They used those 4 days between finding out and the warrant to start looking into who BK was--getting info about him from the DMV, getting the body cam info from his traffic stop in Moscow, going back to all the video footage and looking for his car.

It's entirely possible Moscow LE or ISP started contacting WSU's crim justice program and asking about BK before Jenkins was told on Dec 28...but that also seems like a big LE no no, especially considering that Chief Fry and Chief Jenkins were old friends.

"Moscow Police Chief James Fry sent Jenkins a message Dec. 19, 2022, requesting that he come to the Moscow station the following day. Jenkins assumed it would be another briefing, so he was surprised to be led into a room with about 20 to 30 people, including members of the FBI and Idaho State Police, he said."

"They informed him that they had identified a suspect using DNA found at the scene. That suspect, his colleagues told him, was a student at WSU named Bryan Kohberger."

“It took me a minute, and then I said, ‘You know that name is very familiar. I think I’ve talked to Bryan Kohberger before,’” Jenkins recalled."

Kohberger interview, home search left impression | Bonner County Daily Bee Kohberger interview, home search left impression

 

[gremlin444]

I can't help but wonder how bad of a driver he must be to be pulled over at all, let alone twice in a short span.

Doesn't mean anything, I know, but it's just an odd detail.

jmopinion

I know it's in one of the document dumps...

But the basics are---during different time periods, LE in Indiana focus hard on intrastate drug trafficking. When they conduct those "missions," they focus on stopping any cars with out of state plates, especially ones with plates from states quite far away. I live in Illinois and have for a very long time. Indiana is well known for pulling over out of state plates for supposed minor infractions in pursuit of people carrying drugs.

Indiana is quite focused on this--they have task forces, studies, etc:

https://indiana-hidta.org/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2022/07/2022-Indiana-HIDTA-Drug-Threat-Assessment.pdf

And Indiana LE has come forward and made statements about BK's Dec 15 Indiana stops specifically

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article276185446.html

Indiana State Police Trooper Christopher Waltz pulled over the Kohbergers on Dec. 15 at about 10:50 a.m. just down the road from a prior stop by Sgt. Nick Ernstes with the Hancock County Sheriff’s Office, the two departments told the Statesman. Ernstes’ decision to stop the white Elantra with Washington state plates about 10 minutes earlier “was simply a part of his routine day,” and proactive drug checks were his exclusive assignment that morning, Hancock County Sheriff’s Capt. Robert Harris told the Statesman.
....
But an Indiana State Police report from the incident obtained by the Statesman through a public records request confirmed Waltz was on duty at the time as part of the department’s drug enforcement section.

Considering that the FBI had just got BK's DNA profile from Othram a few days before the stops and didn't notify Moscow PD of the results leading to BK until the 19th, I find it quite hard to believe that FBI had done all the IGG and checking of their results in five days and then sat on that info for 4 days before contacting Moscow PD.

 

[gremlin444]

"Moscow Police Chief James Fry sent Jenkins a message Dec. 19, 2022, requesting that he come to the Moscow station the following day. Jenkins assumed it would be another briefing, so he was surprised to be led into a room with about 20 to 30 people, including members of the FBI and Idaho State Police, he said."

"They informed him that they had identified a suspect using DNA found at the scene. That suspect, his colleagues told him, was a student at WSU named Bryan Kohberger."

“It took me a minute, and then I said, ‘You know that name is very familiar. I think I’ve talked to Bryan Kohberger before,’” Jenkins recalled."

Kohberger interview, home search left impression | Bonner County Daily Bee Kohberger interview, home search left impression

Interesting. Seems like articles with Dec 28 as the date come from articles relying on Patterson and Ward and their book. Whereas Dec 19 comes from recent interviews with Jenkins. Thank you.

I'll dive back into all the docs dumps tonight to see if we can find something "official" in there.

 

[LinasK]

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And IMO!!!
It was a good pretext to get rid of him!

He was/is a stain on University's reputation - IMO again.

Imagine a mass murderer being a teacher in Criminology Department!

And nobody was any wiser!

Jeez!!!

It is like Lucy L. serial killer of babies in British Hospital.

And guess what??
She became a poster nurse of this hospital
appearing on a poster promoting this Institution
smiling benevolently at the audience.



Ummm...
Life is stranger than fiction!

JMO

To add
Hospital is for patients - and they were murdered.
University is for students - and they were abused and humiliated.

It's happened with rogue cops before too. Stephanie Lazarus- murderer was cop of the year, and Craig Peyer- CHP also murderer made promotional safety videos. Oh, and there was Russell Williams- Colonel in the Canadian Air Force who flew the Queen was a stalker and murderer.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Page 269 of the ISP documents link Mass Guy already posted a couple of pages back

WSU staffer - part of her statement

Media have already mentioned this but I may as well put it onto WS
View attachment 608946


Link for all documents in case anybody wants to see the full document GUILTY - PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

Terrifying

I can totally see from these behaviors on campus, along with everything else he did in his TA job and with his classmates and professors, that were so menacing, why WSU kicked him to the curb.

And why Kaylee moved back home in the middle of her final semester before graduating, as his behaviors around her and their home described upthread were so menacing, because she knew she was being stalked to the degree it was unnerving enough for her to walk away from her college life and friends during the crowning achievement months of her 4 years of study.

He was menacing then, which unchecked because he was not that overt or didn't get caught and was lying in wait, led to him committing premeditated murder with malice aforethought of four beautiful young people.

He gives menace to society and maliciousness and dastardly and evil whole new meanings....

IMO

 

[ilgirl]

I think, like you, that he will keep his secrets for awhile to enjoy just by himself. At some point though, could be next year, could be twenty years, he’s going to want to talk.
So many times we heard that he was researching and talking about and wanted to know what it felt like to commit a crime or kill somebody.
Well, now he knows. So for that reason I think he wants to sit down and talk about it all at some point. Not so much to tell it so somebody else can analyze it, but to tell how he analyzed it all. After all, he is the smartest guy in the room.

I agree, but I do wonder whether he's already started writing about it in his cell. I'm guessing he will want a manifesto of some sort in case he doesn't make it that long in prison. With the other inmates bothering him, I wonder if he's concerned about his long-term safety there, and he wants his information out there. JMO.

 

[Tragg]

Not really. These things happen. The guy is fired and everyone moves on. No one is murdered.

This is sensationalist BS by people who have every reason to know better.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Head of WSU police, Chief Jenkins, wasn't told about BK until Dec 28.

Payne got the "tip" during the evening hours of Dec 19, when it would have been highly unlikely for anyone in LE to get a hold of someone in the CJ dept or WSU high ups. Payne didn't even get the detailed info from FBI that night--it was the next day during a virtual meeting with the FBI.

So, unless the FBI immediately called WSU before telling Payne (which seems like a BIG LE no no) and started asking about BK....and unless WSU was able to hold a very late hours emergency meeting to all agree on dismissal, get the dismissal typed up, and send it to BK late that evening, it seems unlikely the dismissal was due to FBI having just informed Moscow of the tip.

Moscow LE applied for their first warrant re: BK on Dec 23 to get his phone records. They used those 4 days between finding out and the warrant to start looking into who BK was--getting info about him from the DMV, getting the body cam info from his traffic stop in Moscow, going back to all the video footage and looking for his car.

It's entirely possible Moscow LE or ISP started contacting WSU's crim justice program and asking about BK before Jenkins was told on Dec 28...but that also seems like a big LE no no, especially considering that Chief Fry and Chief Jenkins were old friends.

Not sure I get the entire gist of your post & it is hard to tell if WSU’s police department is accredited. It looks like in 2023, the WSU police department received a grant to help with accreditation. Some larger universities have accredited police departments, although, I’m not sure if it’s mainly in urban areas. The university (which includes an academic medical center), I worked for, was accredited and their jurisdiction extended at least to adjoining city’s streets and they had authority to read license plates. They were available 24 hrs every day and their dispatch was 24 hrs every day. I’m sure they worked in conjunction with the city’s police department, but I also know federal law enforcement agencies worked directly with them. I know the house was off-campus.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Not really. These things happen. The guy is fired and everyone moves on. No one is murdered.

This is sensationalist BS by people who have every reason to know better.

I agree. Usually these type of terminations go through the program director, department chair & usually the Dean, Associates Dean or Graduate School Dean.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957921279324926001

"The families of Madison Mogen and Ethan Chapin are suing the city of Moscow, Idaho, ​

over the release of crime scene photos."​

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957927686107505087

 

[DizzyB]

Freud would have a thing or two to say about it.

Guessing it was a complex dynamic. Mother and Father both, intuitively afraid of what he might do, left to his own devices. (I'm going to assume they feared drugs, theft, self-harm, not murder.)

I think he actually hated his mother. Controlling her satisfied his daily fix. He held them hostage, through guilt, fear, fidelity, pity, something. In them, he had an unfettered audience, monologue central, I expect.

Every day they got him through was perhaps a victory, an exhausting victory but a victory all the same. I wonder if he created a verbal fantasy social life, where they may have actually felt he was finding his way, fitting in, etc.

Pool party? He saw it as a fishbowl for phone number fishing. Must have felt quite powerful to him to decide who was and wasn't worthy of his perfect attention.

Where did he get this gross, inflated ego??????

A trove of personal selfies? Shirtless, puffed up chest. Impressing himself over and over?

Didn't last a single term in WA. For all the reasons, preoccupied with his greatness and the crime he was plotting long before he even landed himself at WSU. IMO this was the thesis and dissertation he planned all along.

Heartless criminal, barely disguised by a dress shirt.

JMO

I think he called his parents constantly because he wanted someone to listen to him. To value his opinions, agree with him. No one at school was finding him to be the brilliant mind he believed he was, and students were challenging him and lodging complaints. He needed validation and his parents most likely gave it to him.

 

[Jw192]

I also wonder about that. What's the connection there and why did he hate women so much but not hate his mother? I remember Ed Kemper. He depised women because of how his mother treated him growing up and then eventually killed her. Clearly, BK's relationship with his mother is different but I'm just trying to understand how it all ties together.

I think it's more that the felon believes that he is owed something by women. That they are inferior to him and are there to serve purposes - hence him treating female students horribly, showing up late persistently to female professors classes but never once a male professors - I believe that the felon is a mix of a misogynistic incel type and a pure selfish mommy's boy which can be, as proven, a toxic combo. Imo he believes that women are to be owned and controlled... Hell, we know that he called his mother obsessively and although we don't know the content of these calls, I can imagine them to be very self serving to HIM - Mama make ME feel better about the things that I've caused upon myself - It's control. His "close" relationship with his mother is very likely all about control over her as she will be the one woman who actually feels like she owes him something as he's her son. Same with AT, he sat there still in court whilst she did the talking because at that time, she was there to serve HIM.
He went for girls as he believed it's his right to have them do what he wants and when they didn't, it made him more and more dark inside which brings us to that awful night.

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957914247565840443

 

[LinasK]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957927686107505087

Is that because he believed he'd covered his tracks sufficiently?