GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[LadyL]

he thought he was invincible and even to this day, he's not suicidal.
Didn't want the DPenalty and the leaked prison video shows they don't think he needs a suicide vest.
As commentators have said, even though he was in a medical obs room with CCTV and windows, it's not effective 24x7 suicide prevention when you have all that kit, cords and plastic bags in his cell. We have to conclude that even after sentencing , he wasn't evaluated as a suicide risk

did he have windows? I saw what looked like a window at first but concluded it was the open cubby door ... still not sure ...

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Now that docs have been released, and the dust had settled (mostly) with the case.

Criminal profiling here, and trying to climb into 'bushy eyebrows' mind....it's been now confirmed that the two cross country LE traffic stops had zero influence on the case.

JMO, 'bushy eyebrows' would have needed a heart defibrillator after that second LE stop. At that point white Elantra's were in the nation's crosshairs, and I'm sure he felt the walls slowly closing in.

What I find interesting about those stops is that Inmate is a terrible driver who doesn't know enough not to tailgate trucks. He gets caught at it twice in just a few minutes. (And the second stop confirms what we learned in the infamous "PA has no crosswalks" stop in Moscow--that he believed no rules apply to the Inmate.

Have to reply to myself because he's going to get some of what he wanted . This video is a month old but the penny has just dropped for me because I hadn't seen the WSU documents until now.

' a desire to work with'
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at 9mins in the interview

Incarcerated in Idaho max sec, the idea of this project probably keeps him going atm

As long as he stays locked up in that small ugly cell for the rest of his life, I don't care if he lives for his chance to be a subject of his fave undergrad professor, even if he's delusional enough to think he's working with her rather than a bug under her metaphoric microscope.

 

[minazoe]

that he became a junky so early in his life is not normal. I mean a lot of kids got on junk on the east coast back in the day, 70's 80's rich kids..disaffected kids but it still is not normal. heroin is a HEAVY drug...it is 60 times stronger than it was years ago..heroin is a lifestyle and the fact that Bryan was on it tells me that his whole studious good boy routine is an act...a total act. He is dirty dirty dirty..he's not confused or just disturbed. He is a drug addict from an early age..he is conniving and entitled...he does breaking and entering..he's full of hate and thinks it's fun to steal from people and go in their houses when they aren't home and tinker with their lives to frighten them.

his mother is a touchstone and the one he manipulates and won't let go of...I'm sure he feels a lot of control over her because he can keep her tied to him no matter what. I don't know how she handles it. it's so sad.

it's almost never a mother's place or part to negate or desert their child..it just isn't really possible..so I understand.

mOO

 

[gremlin444]

Not sure I get the entire gist of your post & it is hard to tell if WSU’s police department is accredited. It looks like in 2023, the WSU police department received a grant to help with accreditation. Some larger universities have accredited police departments, although, I’m not sure if it’s mainly in urban areas. The university (which includes an academic medical center), I worked for, was accredited and their jurisdiction extended at least to adjoining city’s streets and they had authority to read license plates. They were available 24 hrs every day and their dispatch was 24 hrs every day. I’m sure they worked in conjunction with the city’s police department, but I also know federal law enforcement agencies worked directly with them. I know the house was off-campus.

What does Washington State University's police force being accredited or not have to do with this? I'm honestly puzzled?

I'm saying that even though Jenkins had only worked at WSU for a few months and was "only" the chief of university police...before that he had been Chief of the city of Pullman's police force for 12 years and he and Fry had worked together in an official capacity many times before. Fry saw him as a coequal and wouldn't have told Pullman city police and not told Jenkins as well. Before anyone (whether it be Moscow police or Pullman police) started contacting the dept heads in the grad school and criminal justice and other university authorities, Fry would have told Jenkins as well.

Irregardless of when Moscow Police Chief Fry told WSU police chief Jenkins---Payne didn't get the tip from the FBI until evening on Monday, Dec 19. He didn't get all the details from the FBI about the tip until the next day. Washington State's final exams had finished the previous Friday. So, not the easiest time of year and time of day to contact higher ups there.

We also, as far as I know, do not know what time of day the termination email to BK was sent on the 19th.

In order for WSU's termination email to BK on the 19th to have been caused by Moscow being given the FBI "tip" the evening of the 19th, a lot of things would have had to all go right/smoothly/rapidly:

1. Late in the evening on the 19th, Moscow officer Payne gets the FBI tip. He tells Chief Fry.
2. Moscow police contact Pullman city police right away.

so far, easy

3. Pullman city police (or Moscow police) immediately, on a Monday night after winter break has official started, are able to contact higher ups at Washington State Univ---like president level.

Ok, not too hard.

4. High up members of the graduate school as well as the specific heads of the criminal justice grad program who have all the files and paperwork pertaining to BK's record (the student complaints about him, the professors' concerns, the improvement plan, documentation of his failure to comply and improve by the guidelines given to him) are able to be contacted by the higher ups at the university. It wouldn't be just contacting one person--at a minimum, the head of graduate school, and the head of criminal justice program and the other professor involved in his improvement plan would all have had to be contacted.

5. Washington State's legal team would have to be contacted and brought into it.

6. WSU's graduate program would have to hurry up and write a termination letter, get it signed off on by the legal team and higher ups, and then make any changes and send it before midnight.

or

6. WSU's graduate program would have had to had a termination letter already written up/approved/and ready to go before they were contacted by LE or college administration that day. It still would have likely to have had a second look given to it by the school's legal team in light of what they had just been told before it was given the green light.

To me, IMHO, it seems nearly impossible to believe that all those things managed to happen (the contacting of all those people at WSU, who were at all levels of hierarchy, getting them to coordinate with their team and with each other, have this letter either be written on the fly or editing a preexisting one and have it approved by legal and high up WSU admin, and get it sent off before midnight) in the space of what....6 hours maximum (Payne said he was notified in the evening). After school is officially out and professors are grading finals.

Per the PCA, we know BK left Pullman for the drive home around Dec 13 and was in PA by the 16th. The purported termination letter claims they met with BK on the 19th and told him he was terminated.....which, if that is true, they would have had to do via Zoom. Very very late that evening if the termination was a direct result of Moscow being told it was BK's DNA on the sheath.

MOO, I find it highly unlikely that all those things could have occurred in that short of a time period given the time of year and the time of day, no matter when Jenkins was told.

 

[gremlin444]

Wasn't his phone shut off for hours 5:30pm to 8:30pm?

The PCA states:
"The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m. to 8:30 p.m"

But I've now seen several videos with the Barnharts where they mention that 5:53 pm. 96 min phone call that Sunday. They didn't elaborate about it.

One thing that is probably a factor is that when the PCA was written, the FBI didn't have physical access to his actual phone (and the Barnharts didn't start working until later I believe). All Moscow PD had at that point was the initial cellular data from AT&T.

Probably also has to do with specific wording. What exactly does not reporting to the network entail from the phone end? What means did he use to call his mom that night? I don't know the technical answers.

 

[LadyL]

that he became a junky so early in his life is not normal. I mean a lot of kids got on junk on the east coast back in the day, 70's 80's rich kids..disaffected kids but it still is not normal. heroin is a HEAVY drug...it is 60 times stronger than it was years ago..heroin is a lifestyle and the fact that Bryan was on it tells me that his whole studious good boy routine is an act...a total act. He is dirty dirty dirty..he's not confused or just disturbed. He is a drug addict from an early age..he is conniving and entitled...he does breaking and entering..he's full of hate and thinks it's fun to steal from people and go in their houses when they aren't home and tinker with their lives to frighten them.

his mother is a touchstone and the one he manipulates and won't let go of...I'm sure he feels a lot of control over her because he can keep her tied to him no matter what. I don't know how she handles it. it's so sad.

it's almost never a mother's place or part to negate or desert their child..it just isn't really possible..so I understand.

mOO

I wonder how he funded his druggie lifestyle
I don't know anything about heroin but it can't be cheap

 

[Warwick7]

The PCA states:
"The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m. to 8:30 p.m"

But I've now seen several videos with the Barnharts where they mention that 5:53 pm. 96 min phone call that Sunday. They didn't elaborate about it.

One thing that is probably a factor is that when the PCA was written, the FBI didn't have physical access to his actual phone (and the Barnharts didn't start working until later I believe). All Moscow PD had at that point was the initial cellular data from AT&T.

Probably also has to do with specific wording. What exactly does not reporting to the network entail from the phone end? What means did he use to call his mom that night? I don't know the technical answers.

Interesting...

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957927686107505087

This really gives his mind set before and after the murders.

1. "whoever did this dirty deed must have been pretty good"
2. "She then said they chatted about how University of Idaho students were about to go on winter break, BK said the killer made a "good choice" committing the murders when he did.
3. In class "he admitted the crimes were horrible, going on to say the murders could have been a one-and-done situation while discussing whether the killer would get caught."
4. Kohberger, she said, told her how an offender might avoid detection and may go through different emotions.
5. she said Kohberger commented he did not date "broken women."

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957968301239501240

 

[Cool Cats]

I wonder how he funded his druggie lifestyle
I don't know anything about heroin but it can't be cheap

This could be why he stole his sister's phone. To sell it for drug money. Many robberies are to get money for drugs.

2 Cents

 

[Warwick7]

Is that because he believed he'd covered his tracks sufficiently?

That's the idea I was getting also. On top of that he did add his thought process had been going "through different emotions."

 

[Cool Cats]

Is that because he believed he'd covered his tracks sufficiently?

Probably was banking on the investigators not finding his DNA on the sheath. On the other hand he showed signs of trying to conceal his DNA.

2 Cents

 

[LadyL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957968301239501240

people in the comments giving exact times to hear voices
ETA: I can't listen - it's too disturbing

 

[Chloegirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957968301239501240

I watched and listened even though I have seen it before. I have new questions but my dog listened intently until Murphy stopped or the video did.. She told me what he said (danger, stranger, he is scared, trying to get responses from loves ones) with an exaggerated response. It is unlike her to listen so closely and then respond. JMOO

 

[LadyL]

I watched and listened even though I have seen it before. I have new questions but my dog listened intently until Murphy stopped or the video did.. She told me what he said (danger, stranger, he is scared, trying to get responses from loves ones) with an exaggerated response. It is unlike her to listen so closely and then respond. JMOO

I saw the edited one too before - my understanding is this is the unedited version, although I couldn't watch much of it

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1958054121107320874

"The newly released documents said
Kohberger could've carried out the attack
in less than four minutes.

One week after the murders,
investigators returned to the King Road home to conduct
'timed runs through the residence',
according to a report from Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson.

'The purpose of the timed runs
was to gain an understanding of the approximate time needed to have carried out the murders',
Gilbertson's report said.

Moscow police lead detective Brett Payne tracked the time,
and a state police detective
'walked through the residence with me calling out the number of strikes to simulate the number of wounds to each victim, based on autopsy reports',
Gilbertson wrote.

The timed runs revealed
that it was possible for Kohberger to have carried out the murders
in as few as two minutes and six seconds,
going at a fast pace
on the shortest route to the vehicle,
or
as much as three minutes and forty-five seconds,
going at a slower pace
on the longer route to the vehicle',
the report said."

 

[Inthedetails]

that he became a junky so early in his life is not normal. I mean a lot of kids got on junk on the east coast back in the day, 70's 80's rich kids..disaffected kids but it still is not normal. heroin is a HEAVY drug...it is 60 times stronger than it was years ago..heroin is a lifestyle and the fact that Bryan was on it tells me that his whole studious good boy routine is an act...a total act. He is dirty dirty dirty..he's not confused or just disturbed. He is a drug addict from an early age..he is conniving and entitled...he does breaking and entering..he's full of hate and thinks it's fun to steal from people and go in their houses when they aren't home and tinker with their lives to frighten them.

his mother is a touchstone and the one he manipulates and won't let go of...I'm sure he feels a lot of control over her because he can keep her tied to him no matter what. I don't know how she handles it. it's so sad.

it's almost never a mother's place or part to negate or desert their child..it just isn't really possible..so I understand.

mOO

Thank you - I agree 100% with all of this.

jmopinion

 

[Dotta]

"Bryan Kohberger's Classmates ​

Recall Seeing Him Covered in Injuries for Weeks After Idaho Murders.​

Students at Washington State University told police
they saw Kohberger for the first time two weeks after the murders,
still covered in injuries.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1958093679702253773

• Bryan Kohberger disappeared for a week after the murders, with no reports from any agencies having any information on his whereabouts.
• He returned to class at Washington State University on Nov. 29, 2022, and multiple classmates noticed he had injuries on his hands and started to wear a puffy coat in class.
• Kohberger blamed the injuries on boxing, an indoor accident and a car accident to different people at different times, according to interviews released by Idaho State Police."

 

[Inthedetails]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1958054121107320874

"The newly released documents said
Kohberger could've carried out the attack
in less than four minutes.

One week after the murders,
investigators returned to the King Road home to conduct
'timed runs through the residence',
according to a report from Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson.

'The purpose of the timed runs
was to gain an understanding of the approximate time needed to have carried out the murders',
Gilbertson's report said.

Moscow police lead detective Brett Payne tracked the time,
and a state police detective
'walked through the residence with me calling out the number of strikes to simulate the number of wounds to each victim, based on autopsy reports',
Gilbertson wrote.

The timed runs revealed
that it was possible for Kohberger to have carried out the murders
in as few as two minutes and six seconds,
going at a fast pace
on the shortest route to the vehicle,
or
as much as three minutes and forty-five seconds,
going at a slower pace
on the longer route to the vehicle',
the report said."

That's info to keep in mind on cases when there are cries "LE isn't doing anything!"

When, in fact, they might be doing something like this and we don't know.

jmopinion

 

[snooptroop88]

This "star gazing" bit by Defence was so silly.
As if treating people like idiots.
It actually made me mad haha

Seriously, I totally agree on this. It's like I'd almost picture him smirking at the idea of actually trying to advance this lunacy in this horrific context.

It made me even more sick to watch him sitting there. He's just a horror.