GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Dotta]

Richard Ramirez did.

TV tonight: the wife of a serial killer speaks out in a grim documentary

JMVHO.

Menendez as well.
Oh, and he later divorced her
Oops,
both brothers got married while in prison.

Who Are the Menendez Brothers' Wives? All About Lyle and Erik Menendez's Marriages

The Menendez brothers both got married while serving life sentences for murdering their parents in 1989. Here is everything to know Lyle and Erik Menendez's wives, Rebecca Sneed and Tammi Saccoman.

people.com

Wasn't it reported that BK got money
from his "fans"?



Oops!
Valentine cards too!

Bryan Kohberger supporters send Valentine's Day gifts, form online groups supporting murder suspect

One subReddit is called Brynation, and it is where one admirer posted the receipt for the $50 she placed in Kohberger’s commissary account as a Valentine’s Day gift.

www.insideedition.com

Oh,
I found the name of this phenomenon

"Manifestations of hybristophilia
include the romanticization of criminals, especially serial killers."

Hybristophilia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

We even have a saying in my country:

"Every monster will find its admirer"
(Although in Polish it rhymes)

 

[snooptroop88]

Murderers in prisons have female fans.
Some even get married while in prison.
Some women come from abroad to visit them.

Didn't Ted B get married?
He even became daddy while
incarcerated.

I think it is some kind of MH disorders,
but I forgot the exact name hehe

Robert Stroud. Holy smokes, I just read in Rolling Stone that Bianchi married someone who tried to get Bundy and then moved on to Bianchi. (???) Also just checked, Idaho doesn't have conjugal visits (I'm sure this is already in the thread somewhere.) I can't picture the callused, ruthless murderer currently trying to pass himself off as Oliver Twist doing it for any reason other than additional fruit cups, eggless brownies, and black beans. And maybe to score some fresh fruit. (And I'm serious.)

You know, the more I'm seeing of him, the more I feel somewhat bad for Ann Taylor (which is really difficult after the stargazing). Can you imagine Fruit Cup Brownie Boy's attitude towards his own defense? If he's this aggressive on his... fruit cups?(???) She might have feared he'd sue her, too.

SO crazy and SO horrible.

 

[LAMARQ]

Bodycam video!

Do you know at what part of the video Murphy is being brought out? I've watched a couple times and don't see him.

 

[Megnut]

Do you know at what part of the video Murphy is being brought out? I've watched a couple times and don't see him.

38/39m iirc

 

[katydid23]

Does anyone know how the Plea Deal, Kohberger pleading GUILTY to all four (4) Counts of First Degree Murder, came about ? Did the Prosecutor’s Office first float the deal to Kohberger ? Or did Kohberger approach the Prosecutor’s Office , asking to have the Death Penalty removed ? Do we have the Link, Quote, News Article , or Narrative posted here on Websleuths ? I have exhaustively searched , but I cannot find it. I do not know how that Deal came about , thank you very much !

It was reported that the Defense went to the Prosecution and asked to take a Plea deal. Bill Thomas said that in an interview, IIRC.

 

[LAMARQ]

38/39m iirc

Thank you. It was right at 39. So sad.

 

[katydid23]

Yah Hunter was in the police car - though I don't think it was to stay warm, you hear him say something along the lines of "I'm the only one who knows" so I believe he was alone in the car as opposed to being with the others as he didn't want them to ask him questions or read his face and find out through him

Poor lad

Also, the arriving officers have no idea who is who. Hunter was a male that supposedly found the bodies. Maybe he was involved in the crimes? The officer does not know that he wasn't.

 

[Dotta]

I've just finished watching the video.
It was horrific
These poor kids huddled like birds sitting on the asphalt, sobbing and in shock.
Murphy walking slowly away.
The detective in civilian clothes (always on the phone) looked totally shattered.
Grey sky added to the grimness of the atmosphere and eerie feeling.
Terrible, terrible sights

 

[mickey2942]

It was reported that the Defense went to the Prosecution and asked to take a Plea deal. Bill Thomas said that in an interview, IIRC.

AT realized this case was a dog. I am sure if it went to trial, BK would be on death row. Right where he is now, with years of appeals in front of him.

 

[PinkButtercup]

Just finished watching the bodycam. That officer who's wearing the bodycam, he needs a raise - promotion.

IMO Officer Nunes responded impeccably. He was only 22 at the time, with just two years service but acted very professionally. I believe he himself was a former U of Idaho student, so it must have been terrible for him. But he was unflappable, the kind of guy you would look to in a crisis.

I think as a true crime community, our focus tends to be on the very worst of mankind (e.g.BK). Or we wonder too often "Why LE aren't doing more" etc.
It may be nice to take a breath, and celebrate the great things our young people working in LE like PO Mitch Nunes can achieve. Here are a couple of news articles which caught my eye.

Lifesaving award

Duckings rescued

Sorry if this is too far off-topic, please delete if so.
MOO

 

[Stratocaster]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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[Dotta]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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I don't think the imprint was from the struggle.
There was no blood there.

It seems to be earlier, while a girl was opening this door some time before this tragedy.

I don't remember any reports of a struggle in the kitchen

JmO

But I'm not a hard-core sleuth!!!

 

[browneyes]

Did <modsnip> car get returned to his family?

 

[QB2022]

IMO Officer Nunes responded impeccably. He was only 22 at the time, with just two years service but acted very professionally. I believe he himself was a former U of Idaho student, so it must have been terrible for him. But he was unflappable, the kind of guy you would look to in a crisis.

I think as a true crime community, our focus tends to be on the very worst of mankind (e.g.BK). Or we wonder too often "Why LE aren't doing more" etc.
It may be nice to take a breath, and celebrate the great things our young people working in LE like PO Mitch Nunes can achieve. Here are a couple of news articles which caught my eye.

Lifesaving award

Duckings rescued

Sorry if this is too far off-topic, please delete if so.
MOO

I imagine he benefited from being fresh and the training being at the absolute forefront of his mind rather than a seasoned cop where nothing ever happens and perhaps less on the top of their game. This would have been life changing for him and I hope he has had the support he needs too.

 

[10ofRods]

I read here that he went to an out of the way grocery store that afternoon . Hopefully, someone can clarify. I can’t find the posts to link. IMO

He retraced the route he took in the wee hours of the morning. Instead of using the short route back to Pullman, he had driven south through Lewiston, stopping at a grocery store near the Snake River and then back to Pullman. He parked near the Snake River, near a campground across from the grocery store.

Thinking about it now, maybe he figured it was safer to go that way (less obvious?) I haven't read whether the new releases provide any information about what he actually bought at the grocery store, but I think I did read they have the information.

I also don't know how long either the first or second loops around Idaho/Washington lasted. Clearly cleaning up and disposing of evidence, IMO.

I think he really wanted to be a Famous Uncaptured Serial Killer and Mass Murderer. I believe he would have killed again. It's possible he would have been caught even without the sheath being left behind (based on analysis of cell phones in the area and the video footage of a white car circling around) and he was eager to hear early accounts and publicity. Getting antsy, he goes back to the murder scene. It also shows a certain absence of common sense or filtering outcomes of actions.

I am guessing he might have disposed of more evidence on the next trip (perhaps in the Snake River). Such as the shower curtain.

He is where he belongs, but even in a max security prison, he's gotta be one of the worst psychopaths.

IMO.

 

[Chloegirl]

I have been trying to understand BK too much since the beginning of all this. I am not sure you can ever understand the mind of a (serial?) killer. When somebody mentioned Pat Brown, I looked on Audible and found her book Profiling. Maybe it is just me but her description of the serial killer checklist in Chapter 2 was very interesting (paraphrasing).

✓glibness, superficial charm
✓gregarious, grandiose sense of self-worth
✓pathological lying, lying when not necessary
✓cunning, manipulative
✓lack of empathy, psychopath
✓no remorse or guilt of acts
✓flashes of anger, when not getting their way
✓callous, play-acting a role
✓indifferent to news of murder
✓shallow affect, no depth of feeling
✓never taking responsibility, blaming others
✓promiscuous sexual behavior
✓underachieving
✓difficulty with relationships with women
✓leaning towards violent ideation
✓precipitating event that makes them feel like losers, causing them to act out and gain control

Just interesting to consider. JMOO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Also, the arriving officers have no idea who is who. Hunter was a male that supposedly found the bodies. Maybe he was involved in the crimes? The officer does not know that he wasn't.

Not Hunter. It was Jack DuCoeur in the car. Hunter was outside with the group.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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I've read, only once, that they were leftover Halloween "decorations". So IMO.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

He retraced the route he took in the wee hours of the morning. Instead of using the short route back to Pullman, he had driven south through Lewiston, stopping at a grocery store near the Snake River and then back to Pullman. He parked near the Snake River, near a campground across from the grocery store.

Thinking about it now, maybe he figured it was safer to go that way (less obvious?) I haven't read whether the new releases provide any information about what he actually bought at the grocery store, but I think I did read they have the information.

I also don't know how long either the first or second loops around Idaho/Washington lasted. Clearly cleaning up and disposing of evidence, IMO.

I think he really wanted to be a Famous Uncaptured Serial Killer and Mass Murderer. I believe he would have killed again. It's possible he would have been caught even without the sheath being left behind (based on analysis of cell phones in the area and the video footage of a white car circling around) and he was eager to hear early accounts and publicity. Getting antsy, he goes back to the murder scene. It also shows a certain absence of common sense or filtering outcomes of actions.

I am guessing he might have disposed of more evidence on the next trip (perhaps in the Snake River). Such as the shower curtain.

He is where he belongs, but even in a max security prison, he's gotta be one of the worst psychopaths.

IMO.

Our man stopped at Albertson's and bought a pre-packaged Starbucks frappucino. So...I was in Walmart last night and looked, you can buy them with oat milk so OK for vegans, I guess. IMO! I didn't look at what else they had in them.

 

[10ofRods]

Actually, not bad. Made with olive oil, egg replacement. But, it didn't look that good to me.

Just give him peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the next 40 years...or how ever long he lasts...

I'm almost certain that if they do that, he'll develop a peanut allergy.

[bbm]

I posted about this before but that wasn't necessarily his first meal. The article that claimed that stole that picture from the jail's website. You can see the exact same picture on the jail's description of their food.

Thanks for that! I was wondering about it (seemed odd that there would be a camera prthere).

The prison also has its policy manual up online and IIRC, he's restricted from having certain privileges for the first six months. He can have felt tip pens, I think, and obviously, he was allowed to have a complaint form (although does it look like it's felt tip? I know there are websites that sell prison approved pens, pencils, etc; maybe it is pencil?)

For some reason, this made me think about his long term disordered sleep. He apparently doesn't sleep much. If he's in his solo cell, where he can hear through the vents but not see anyone but guards, it must be really boring. I don't think he'll have a tablet device yet. Not even sure if he gets phone privileges, I'll have to go look again. At any rate, the first six months I think they are assessing suicidality and propensity toward violent acting out. I'd love to know if during his one hour outside the cell he can do more than just shower and walk around a prison yard (are there other prisoners there?) He can't have visitors unless approved by the warden.

Anyway, it must be quite an adjustment. So much solitude, so little social contact or information about the outside world, and no ability to just sleep for hours as compensation.

IMO