GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[PinkButtercup]

But...

She was eating in the kitchen.

JMO

Why do you think she was eating in the kitchen, rather than her room, or the main room?

 

[Dotta]

Why do you think she was eating in the kitchen, rather than her room, or the main room?

Simply because
the half eaten food was FOUND in the kitchen on the microwave oven,
as photo shows.

It seems to me
she left food where she WAS
and raced upstairs.

JMO

 

[PinkButtercup]

That's what I thought until today. Now it seems she was eating in the kitchen

jmopinion

Where does it say she was eating in the kitchen? The bag could've been taken in there after she had finished, could it not?

Is this some more sloppy "journalism"?
JMO

 

[PinkButtercup]

Simply because
the half eaten food was FOUND in the kitchen on the microwave oven,
as photo shows.

JMO

That is not proof that she ate the food in the kitchen, just that the bag/fries ended up in there.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

That is not proof that she ate the food in the kitchen, just that the bag/fries ended up in there.

MOO

So...
WHO put it there???

 

[PinkButtercup]

So...
WHO put it there???

Xana, after she had eaten the food somewhere other than the kitchen, and before she encountered BK.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

Xana, after she had eaten the food somewhere other than the kitchen, and before she encountered BK.

MOO

She DIDN'T eat the food.
Half of it was left in the KITCHEN when she heard strange noises,
left the food where she was eating and went upstairs to investigate the commotion.

Then was chased by a madman and murdered near her room.

JMO

 

[PinkButtercup]

She DIDN'T eat the food.
Half of it was left in the KITCHEN when she heard strange noises,
left the food where she was eating and went upstairs to investigate the commotion.

Then was chased by a madman and murdered near her room.

JMO

I'm sorry I can't explain it any other way. The fact that some fries and a bag were in the kitchen is NOT PROOF that she ate ANY of the food in there.

We will just have to disagree on this.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

That is not proof that she ate the food in the kitchen, just that the bag/fries ended up in there.

MOO

Yes, I realize it's not proof, but it does seem likely she brought the food into the kitchen. Plenty of people actually eat in the kitchen.

(Yes, I know some people also eat in their bedrooms.)

But, the bigger point, imo, is it seems she picked up the delivery AFTER Kohberger went upstairs. He was upstairs when she went downstairs to the front door. To me, that is a new way of thinking of the situation.

jmo

 

[Betty P]

I'd rather read a book by this professor (or his friend who wrote the article) than any book Dr. Ramsland might write. Seriously. The folks in Washington were on to him right away, not describing him as brilliant but as a disturbing jerk.

jmopinion

I still can't believe BK went to work at the university, found out his boss was a retired attorney with many years of experience as a public defender and he still went ahead with his plan to commit murder on a nearby college campus. It's mind boggling.

What was it like for him to kill those 4 students, then return to work for a guy who was already suspicious of him? Something happened during that time because BK ended up losing his job. There must have been many more red flags as BK decompensated after the murders.

Bryan Kohberger was fired from WSU teaching job days before Idaho murders arrest

His attitude towards women was cited as a key concern, with the criminal justice student allegedly having a ‘sexist attitude towards females he interacted with at the school’

www.the-independent.com

On 21 October, Professor Snyder emailed Mr Kohberger telling him he had failed to meet the expectations he had outlined in their previous discussion.

On 2 November – 11 days before the murders – Mr Kohberger reportedly met with the professor to discuss an “improvement plan” for his behaviour.

Mr Kohberger attended a meeting with the professor about the improvement plan on 7 December – before getting into yet another altercation with him two days later.

The professor condemned his behaviour, writing to the accused killer that it was “apparent that you have not made progress regarding your professionalism”.

BK was fired on Dec. 19.

Professor Snyder really does need to write a book and do more interviews. There's so much that can be learned from this experience about the behavioral changes of mass murders or serial killers after they commit their crimes and return to work. He told the university that BK would continue to stalk women and abuse them.

Bryan Kohberger's Professor Warned He'd 'Stalk and Sexually Abuse' People — and Then He Killed 4 Students

A new report released by police shows fellow students and faculty were concerned about Kohberger's sexist and creepy behavior prior to the 2022 murders

www.aol.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Gray Hughes has made some videos using the cctv evidence, he has even created a detailed spreadsheet of the likely timeline, so I recommend looking them up on YouTube.

I believe it could have happened in this order:-
- Door dash driver delivers food at 3.39am, and leaves King Road at 4.01am
- Xana receives notification of delivery, goes to first floor and collects food, before taking up to her bedroom or main room (time unknown, but I think she collected it quite quickly)
- BK drives into King Road and parks behind house at 4.07am
- BK enters through sliding door (time not known, but I guess about 4.10ish)
- Xana takes what is left of the food into the kitchen, while BK is upstairs (after 4.12am, per her tiktok use)
- Xana hears noises from above (possibly sees Murphy is downstairs, and goes up to investigate and/or take Murphy up to Kaylee - my theory, but this is similar to what Gray Hughes thinks may have happened)
- Xana says "There's someone here" and BK chases her back downstairs and into her bedroom
- Thud and whimper is heard on cctv audio 4.17am
- BK'S car is seen leaving area at 4.21am

MOO

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

 

[Megnut]

Xana, after she had eaten the food somewhere other than the kitchen, and before she encountered BK.

MOO

Things we don't know.

What time XK retrieved her DD food. And by what route.

If she was hoping to have it delivered to the slider but it was delivered instead to the front door, did she go down the stairs to the front door or go out and around through the slider?

Could she have been on the couch eating her food and neither hear nor see him enter?

Regardless, she had time to start eating (LE knows what she ordered and knows how much remained) and returned to the kitchen to put her remnants the there. And that is when she encountered the open slider-- perhaps not entirely alarming, thinking maybe someone let Murphy out --

But then she must have heard DM call out to KG as well as the noise from above.

Is there a crime scene photo showing a rogue boot?

I think XK and KG were in sleepwear and barefoot, I think the felon was the only one on the staircase and it's he whom DM heard. Maybe with Murphy who would have had reasons to explore. JITB ... and an intruder...

However, I do think it's possible -- that XK slipped on whatever shoes were available, if she went outside to retrieve her food -- and kicked them off, perhaps when he chased her to her room.

Alongside the backyard footprints he left were smaller ones. Maybe from XP going around to the other door, to get her JITB. But also they could've been from two hours earlier when DM and MM were outside with Murphy.

There's someone here. Who said it and to whom? Scary to think it could have been KG or XK saying it to one to the other, with him somehow hiding in the shadows, mere seconds before the violence started.

There's someone here. Not shocking. DDD had been there, DM had had a friend over (until 1, I think), EC was there, KG was back. Lots of people there, not there, back again. Next on the list is not mass murderer, no one jumps to that.

It could be why/when KG moved from her own bed into MM's.

Timeline update, from GH's video upthread --

2 am, MM, KG, DM, BF and Murphy are in KG's room. Selfies. Calls to the bf. Then KG decided to get ready for bed, presumably her own bed. While BF goes to her own room, and together, MM and DM take Murphy out (when Murphy is briefly lost). When MM goes to bed herself, it seems likely that she was in her bed and KG was in her own.

I think KG moved into MM's bed after Murphy responded to events (whether it was the DD or PhD-Dr. Death's arrival) and was awake when he entered MM's room.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

Actually the driver was. Close to it anyway.

Was attempting to find 1122 King but couldn't see the house numbers (was directed to deliver to the slider iirc but ultimately didn't). Eventually got out of her car, with her dog and searched on foot before finally finding the house.

JMO

 

[cujenn81]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959718979787747530

"Kohberger first searched for the phrases 'wiretap' and 'psychopaths paranoid,'
data from his phone showed.

He then read a news story
about how police in Moscow, Idaho, were searching for a car whose description matched his.

Clearly spooked,
Kohberger's next internet activity saw him visit the Moscow Police Department's website
to see what the latest news on the murders was.

Immediately after that
he looked up an auto detailing shop.

And just 10 minutes later,
Kohberger was shopping for a new car online.

In the early hours of December 30 2022
- just a few hours after making those internet searches -
Kohberger was arrested at his parents home in Pennsylvania."

It’s like he sooo wants to identify as a psychopath but was worried that his paranoia might mean that he’s not. He clearly didn’t pay attention in psych class and needs to get over himself.

Psychopathy does not equal zero feelings. Empathy, remorse, sadness, fear, compassion, happiness, and pain may be nonexistent, but psychopaths have alll the feels — for themselves. Every thing they do is about looking out for number one. And he knows he screwed himself BIG TIME when he left that sheath behind. He had every reason in the world to be paranoid.

 

[Dotta]

Yes, I realize it's not proof, but it does seem likely she brought the food into the kitchen. Plenty of people actually eat in the kitchen.

(Yes, I know some people also eat in their bedrooms.)

But, the bigger point, imo, is it seems she picked up the delivery AFTER Kohberger went upstairs. He was upstairs when she went downstairs to the front door. To me, that is a new way of thinking of the situation.

jmo

I think that:

- when Xana was at the front door to retrieve the food
(ground floor/basement)

- BK was slipping through the slider door in the kitchen - upstairs from her.

- When she came upstairs to the kitchen to eat,
he was already in MM's room.

- Xana ate some fries in the kitchen and went to the microwave oven to probably heat the food.

- She heard strange noises upstairs,
so left half eaten food on the microwave oven and went upstairs.
(photo of the food there)

- She saw BK and started running down the stairs.

- He chased her, leaving the sheath on the bed.

- BK caught Xana near her bedroom,
they fought (defensive wounds),
then attacked EC and returned to wounded sobbing Xana
(crying heard by DM),
then murdered her.

- BK left, passing DM in the doorway.

It all only took several minutes.

This is how I see it.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I think that:

- when Xana was at the front door to retrieve the food
(ground floor/basement)

- BK was slipping through the slider door in the kitchen - upstairs from her.

- When she came upstairs to the kitchen to eat,
he was already in MM's room.

- Xana ate some fries in the kitchen and went to the microwave oven to probably heat the food.

- She heard strange noises upstairs,
so left half eaten food on the microwave oven and went upstairs.
(photo of the food there)

- She saw BK and started running down the stairs.

- He chased her, leaving the sheath on the bed.

- BK caught Xana near her bedroom,
they fought (defensive wounds),
then attacked EC and returned to wounded sobbing Xana
(crying heard by DM),
then murdered her.

- BK left, passing DM in the doorway.

It all only took several minutes.

This is how I see it.

JMO

Yes, that is how I am now seeing it too. And it's even creepier than I thought it was before.

jmopinion

 

[PinkButtercup]

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

I might be a couple of minutes out. But you can check the driver times yourself here, they are all approx. but align with the camera footage

 

[cujenn81]

You've got your times way wrong, there. The driver wasn't there for twenty minutes.

Not off by much. She was there for 15 minutes. Also, I can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone talk about the fact that BK pulled in behind her vehicle when she was parked in front of the house.

Supplement 104 of MPD files

 

[Warwick7]

When did she bring it in the kitchen?

What is the correct order?

This is what I have in my personal timeline. Who knows I might have something wrong, but this is my timeline.
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4:07:27: HH, his lights flash catching cctv.

Moving much quicker on ring camera! He may have finally seen all the lights went off.

4:07:51 GH, BK pulls up behind then beside the house, parked.

4:07:53am got out and did blood spatter midigation.

4:10 or 12 am goes into the house from beind and into the sliding glass foor---leaving it open. Dateline says 4:13am.

He goes straight up stairs.

4:11 kills MM and GK
[Prosecution says MM showed absolutely no sign of defensive wounds. The suspect's clothing precluded any scratching, and alludes to her toxicology being relevant (too drunk to fight back, probably). So no to dna under her fingernails.

SG stated in interview Kaylee had been stabbed so many different times. Could it be she simply woke up to what was happening to Maddie and she started kicking at him. I think he got so pissed so ANGRY he clocked her with the end of that knife. SG said he did see the autopsy for his daughter. He said she had multiple hits to her face. Maybe BK "repositioned" his hand cause she kicked his hand, the knife fell on Maddie and in one swoop he picked it up and hit her face repeatedly.

4:12 DM heard from what sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog, according to the affidavit.

(Actually I think this noise is from upstairs above her and mm ck being killed). So DM heard this, opens her bedroom door, but doesn't see anything.

4:12 XK after flipping through her phone on tic tok she stopped. She was active on her phone 13 minutes after food arrived (from MassGuy)
3:59 + 13 = 4:12

4:10 to 4:13:30 BK is upstairs. It looks like KG put up a harderfight than we thought. She has a busted up face and a broken nose.

4:14am Xana ends tik toc and Xana heads to kitchen, sees back slider open at the same time hears serious commotion upstairs.

4:?? DM was concerned about KG called out KG's name.

Time? Xana instantly gone upstairs to check on KG....then fleeing from Kohberger by running back to her bedroom.

***There was blood on the "banister" the one going up to the 3rd level. Probably BK swiping banister as he came down.

They may have shuffled into the beer pong table knocking cups down. Bethany hears noises from upstairs, a firecracker, a flash under her door and heard the beer pong table moved and falling cups.

4:17:30 She may have tried to slam the door shut. He pushes his way in. He attacks her, they fight. Cctv captures screaming and a THUD. Her autopsy report reveals that she had more than 50 stab wounds covering her body, which were "mostly defensive," and that she died from one laceration in her right lung and two lacerations in her heart. Sgt. Gunderson wrote in his report that "it was obvious an intense struggle had occurred" between Xana and her killer.

She made it over to the right side of the bed, pushed the end table in a struggle. I think Ethan was on his stomach and his legs were cut to immobilize him. this roused him and he tried to get up, like up on his elbow but couldn't (because legs) and fell back onto his back, then the final blow, to his neck leaving him on his back.

EC is finally not moving, he turns around, tells Xana he is going to help her.

***He attacked her and she fought him hard. Xana, a strong-willed woman, fought her killer to the very end. “Bruises on her body, torn by the knife." This is why we heard THUD.

4:18:20 he stands there a minute with his hands resting on his knee caps watching to see if either move. M00

DM heard what she thought was crying coming from Kernodle's room (or bathroom), so she got up and opened the door a second time.

4:17 a dog goes off loud barking

*Note: doc dump...The King Road Residence contained a significant amount of blood from the victims (some of KG and mostly XK), including spatter and castoff in the living room . Xana was not found in her bed and that "there was blood cast-off on the walls in various places, including above Xana's body."

4:18:50 (dateline) DM opens her door a 3rd time (GH email said DM heard a fight) and sees some clad in black, face mask and bushy eye brows walking "twords her." She saw him and he saw her. Yes, they locked eyes.

He walks past her--she froze shocked.

• He leaves a latent footprint. These residues are often too faint or subtle to be seen with the naked eye outside her door.

Forensic scientists use various techniques, such as dusting with powders, chemical treatments, or advanced imaging technologies, to make latent prints visible.

The male walked twords the sliding glass door. He didn5 kill her Thompson says, because he was in that home longer than he expected. Also he said he only aimed at killing one.

4:17:12am DM locked her door.

He goes out doors up hill to his blood spatter mitigation

 

[Dotta]

"Neighbor of University of Idaho Students​

Heard Tapping on Window After Murders,​

Told Police Might Have Been Bryan Kohberger.​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960412974826377257

• A University of Idaho student spoke to state police about an incident on Nov. 13, 2022, when he heard someone tapping on his window.
• This happened at approximately 5 a.m. at his home, less than an hour after Bryan Kohberger murdered four college students at 1122 King Road.
• This young man was a neighbor of the victims, and spoke with Idaho State Police thinking it could have been Kohberger, 30, at his window that morning.

'About two minutes after getting in bed,
he heard a tapping on the window next to the front door.
He peered through the blinds on the window
but didn't see anyone',
read the report.

Police did not appear to follow up on the neighbor's report,
but they did enter the interview into evidence."

Honestly folks,
This is stuff straight from a horror movie