GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[DizzyB]

I do wonder if he had been in before.

 

[SteveP]

IMO because breaking and entering, controlling life and death, overpowering an incapacitated victim are part of the sexual motivation. In fact, IMO that is the sexual event.

He was willing to take risks toward that end, though I think he just hadn't factored for KG being in the bed too, and that alerted Murphy and the other roommates -- for all of his preparation, it was grossly and poorly planned.

And yet, all that carnage didn't unnerve him in the least. A couple of hours later, he's talking to Mother... taking a selfie... callous.

I am so sorry for what the surviving roommates went through and are going through. I hope they find some consolation in knowing that how deeply they feel this trauma is a sign of how good and caring and real they are.

Complete opposite of the human imposter who created all this pain. He's hollow, shallow, dark.

He chose evil.

JMO

Another interesting tidbit from the 20/20 program last night, he took a lot of selfies, but apparently, according to those who examined his phone, he never sent any of them to anyone. I know some people suggested that the creepy thumb-up selfie taken a few hours after the murders was taken so his mother could see him in a new shirt birthday gift, or some such, but apparently it was what I, and most others here thought all along, just a congratulatory, thumb's-up momento of his murders that he could look back at and enjoy whenever he wished. I guess he will just have to close his eyes and imagine it now. JMO

 

[Megnut]

I do wonder if he had been in before.

I'm going to guess yes on that.

Iirc there was a time they came home and the slider was open and Murphy was missing...

Outside the bounds of saved CCTV, he may even have attempted his crime on previous occasions. Not the 23 but other times, withis phone off.

I think too it would have been important to him to know what kind of doors and locks he was up against. He may be the reason the slider didn't lock, having jimmied with it prior.

Going by his recovered adult internet searches, limited though they were (because of his deliberate counter measures), I really think sleeping victims (sleeping, drunk, drugged) was core to his sexual diet. I think he cultivated it at his house when he was growing up. I think he feels very powerful watching people sleep because he knows how quickly he could kill them. That's part of the sick thrill.

Shocking how immature he is. Bundy and BTK knew how to blend into society. BK bottomed out of his PhD program almost before he started. It takes a special fool to have issues with students, peers and admin. Trifecta of failure-to-get-along-with-anyone.

Had he an ounce of charm and a modicum of smarts, he might have played the game, balancing the expectations on those three levels. Hiding in plain sight. Professor of criminal psychology, maybe married with children while being a serial killer in secret.

Instead of looks like he selected WSU as a cover for what he really wanted go do -- and with no pretense even of maintaining it beyond that.

A little bit like a school shooter. All in, no after plan.

If the is any consolation here, it's that he was stopped. Before he could destroy more lives.

If only he could have been stopped before he took these.

Such beautiful souls, so full of life. Joy, hope, promise.

Something he has none of.

JMO

 

[Dexter12]

Xana ad to have been chased into the living room, per ISP report of living room crime scene. Page 95

 

[Megnut]

IMO it's was BK whom DM heard on the stairs.

And he heard DM and possibly XK and knew they were potential obstacles to his escape. He was ferocious and unrelenting, with both ends of the Kbar, then raced down the stairs, intent on killing whoever stood in his way.

KG has gotten ready for bed and had gotten in bed, per DM/BF. No combat boots.

XK was in panties and sweatshirt. Maybe she had boots on, if she'd gone outside to get her DD but even if she had, send like she'd have kicked them right back off. And maybe she did. In the living room. One here, one there.

So, if either KG or XK were on the stairs, IMO their footfalls would be pretty quiet. BK was the loud one.

I'm convinced it all happened in a span of four minutes. That's how lethal a kbar is.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I just don’t get, if Maddie was his target, why he would be surprised to find so many other people in that house. He clearly staked out the house and had to have known there were other people there. Maybe he just really wanted to do it and knew he’d never be able to get her alone.

Agree, one may have been preferred over another, but I am sure the murderer knew there were multiple girls in that house. I still think he could have wanted to target as many as possible. They were the very representation of who he blamed for his failures and short comings.

Xana being up and moving and then finding a big, strapping jock Ethan in her room, DM awake and calling out, and Murphy barking were factors he didn't consider which put him on the run.

I just don't think he would have gone in and killed Maddie if she was alone and then immediately left. Maybe he was planning some sick pseudo s e x u a l contact with her being passed out or dead.

How I wish he would have tripped on the stairs and fell onto the knife 5 times while chasing Xana.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Xana ad to have been chased into the living room, per ISP report of living room crime scene. Page 95

You would have to go through the living room from the 3rd floor stairs to get to the short hallway to the BR and Xana's room IIRC.

 

[LinasK]

Where can I watch this new 20/20?

Do you get US ABC channel? Maybe their website or YouTube.

 

[Cedars]

What I still don't know is how he knew which bedroom was Maddie's to head straight to it. He must have stalked the house.

Yes, if you recall on surveillance footage, the vehicle drove past the front of the house and must have parked somewhere, before he entered through the sliding door via the backyard.

There is in fact a retaining wall above the backyard with a little, unobserved road where he could have parked and looked straight into M's room.

It's also speculated he could have followed them on social media and worked out the layout/other occupants, but also, why not even snuck into the house previously, to learn the exact layout.

There is a fascinating discussion about all this (including his admiration for Bundy) in a long Vinnie Politan interview with Dr. Gary Brucato (not sure whether I can link, but easily found on Youtube by searching those names).

ETA edited quote

 

[Ghostwheel]

I found it odd that 20/20 had the bit about the DNA not being "trace". No one said it was "only a trace" of DNA, just that it was "trace" dna, sometimes also referred to as "touch" DNA depending on what it is. It might be small amounts but it could just as well be a lot, you just cannot see it. The original definition of trace dna was that it was so imperceptible you could not see it. Which somehow got translated to "miniscule", which is not the same thing. If you leave a drop of sweat on a counter and it dries, it is trace dna. It can't be easily seen (if at all), but it's not miniscule.

Same with "touch", usually skin cells. Still "trace" but can be a considerable amount. I think they mean trace as in "tracking back" for the DNA, like tracing the origin.

 

[Arkay]

Shocking how immature he is. Bundy and BTK knew how to blend into society. BK bottomed out of his PhD program almost before he started. It takes a special fool to have issues with students, peers and admin. Trifecta of failure-to-get-along-with-anyone.

Not that his was a noble aspiration, but IMO he could never have been Ted Bundy.

Bundy was smooth and a well-spoken charmer. He was conventionally good-looking, and he availed himself of that when wearing a cast and pretending he needed some female’s help to open his car door. Then of course he was able to pounce, as he did in several of his crimes.

BK’s personality was apparently the diametric opposite. Whatever the reason, and we’ve read about several, his affect was very off-putting. He didn’t know how to comport himself in a manner that would attract many women or even friends, and it appears that he took the only means he could to enter and then end the lives of four people who lived nearby, but were worlds apart from him.

JMO

 

[PinkParis2052]

Where can I watch this new 20/20?

Stream the latest 20/20 ‘Idaho Justice’ full episode on Hulu and Disney+ under Season 47, Episode 33.

 

[MassGuy]

State’s Objection to Alternate Perpetrators.

Of note, the DNA samples these four people were compared against:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/060625+REDACTED+-+States+Obj+to+Defs+Offer+of+Proof+RE+Alt+Perpetrators++Evidence+iso+Offer+of+Proof.pdf

 

[arielilane]

"We were able to stop Bryan Kohberger before he committed that next crime."I sat down with Stacy Chapin and Kristen Mittelman to learn about the DNA technology that cracked the Idaho case -- and how it can be used in future cases.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1964319183900209282

 

[ilgirl]

Yes, if you recall on surveillance footage, the vehicle drove past the front of the house and must have parked somewhere, before he entered through the sliding door via the backyard.

There is in fact a retaining wall above the backyard with a little, unobserved road where he could have parked and looked straight into M's room.

It's also speculated he could have followed them on social media and worked out the layout/other occupants, but also, why not even snuck into the house previously, to learn the exact layout.

There is a fascinating discussion about all this (including his admiration for Bundy) in a long Vinnie Politan interview with Dr. Gary Brucato (not sure whether I can link, but easily found on Youtube by searching those names).

ETA edited quote

I was just watching the interview you referred to. Dr. Brucato is one of the best, IMO. I would prefer him to interview BK, since I think he could do the most with the information gained to help in future cases. He said in this interview that he thinks their paths may cross.
JMO.

 

[gremlin444]

Where can I watch this new 20/20?

Correction: It's available on Disney+!

 

[ilovewings]

I do wonder if he had been in before.

I believe he was in that house previously

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Correction: It's available on Disney+!

Although it wasn’t available last night, the new 20/20 special is now available on Hulu, like @PinkButtercup said.

 

[ilovewings]

Although it wasn’t available last night, the new 20/20 special is now available on Hulu, like @PinkButtercup said.

Oxygen has a documentary which is showing now--- it is not nearly as good as 20/20. It was before BK pled guilty-- The documentary on 20/20 was really a tribute to the victims . It helped us get to know them- it was heart breaking to watch but it was well done. The one I am watching now (sort of watching) is really not a tribute to the victims and there is a defense attorney trying to explain how the defendant could not be guilty. Since BK pled guilty this documentary is old news. Too much emphasis on BK and not on the victims.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Oxygen has a documentary which is showing now--- it is not nearly as good as 20/20. It was before BK pled guilty-- The documentary on 20/20 was really a tribute to the victims . It helped us get to know them- it was heart breaking to watch but it was well done. The one I am watching now (sort of watching) is really not a tribute to the victims and there is a defense attorney trying to explain how the defendant could not be guilty. Since BK pled guilty this documentary is old news. Too much emphasis on BK and not on the victims.

Thanks, @ilovewings.

It looks like Oxygen True Crime is showing the Peacock Original documentary, The Idaho Student Murders, which was created before the murderer pleaded guilty, but dropped on July 3, 2025–“less than 24 hours after [he] confessed in court to killing four coeds in the middle of the night.”

I don’t have Peacock or Oxygen, so I still haven’t seen the documentary. Others here saw it on Peacock back in July and shared your opinion, ilovewings.

For those of you who missed the recent 20/20 special and have neither Hulu nor Disney+, you can listen to the episode here:

20/20: Idaho Justice

Podcast Episode · The King Road Killings: An Idaho Murder Mystery · 09/06/2025 · 1h 24m

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20/20: Idaho Justice