GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

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Solitary confinement is a living death, with serious health consequences including gastrointestinal and genitourinary problems, diaphoresis, insomnia, deterioration of eyesight, profound fatigue, heart palpitations, migraines, back and joint pains, weight loss,
diarrhea, and aggravation of preexisting medical problems. Even those without a prior history of mental illness may experience a deterioration in mental health, experiencing anxiety, depression, anger, diminished impulse control, paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, cognitive disturbances, obsessive thoughts, paranoia, hypersensitivity to stimuli, posttraumautic stress disorder, self-harm, suicide, and/or psychosis.

Physical death is a one-time experience. BK suffers every day, progressively, which is OK with me. The fact that his petty complaints are his only daily interaction with human beings is - to me - very satisfying.

solitary confinement is actually considered inhumane by experts (see cites below). I do not feel any sorrow for Mr. BK but I do wonder if people this anti social suffer as much as more ordinary humans do.
And he is not being "rehabilitated" - just kept from causing more harm.

The research is clear: Solitary confinement causes long- ...​

Prison Policy Initiative
https://www.prisonpolicy.org › solitary_symposium




Dec 8, 2020 — At the International Symposium on Solitary Confinement, researchers and formerly incarcerated people made it clear that isolation causes ...

Solitary Confinement: Inhumane, Ineffective, and Wasteful​

Southern Poverty Law Center
https://www.splcenter.org › Reports




Apr 4, 2019 — Solitary confinement of incarcerated persons is, at best, an ineffective and inhumane practice with little or no carceral benefit and, at worst, outright ...

How Solitary Confinement Contributes to the Mental Health ...​

National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI)
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Mar 17, 2023 — Currently, in U.S. prisons, jails, youth detention, immigration detention and other carceral settings, people can be locked in solitary for ...

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Solitary confinement is a living death, with serious health consequences including gastrointestinal and genitourinary problems, diaphoresis, insomnia, deterioration of eyesight, profound fatigue, heart palpitations, migraines, back and joint pains, weight loss,
diarrhea, and aggravation of preexisting medical problems. Even those without a prior history of mental illness may experience a deterioration in mental health, experiencing anxiety, depression, anger, diminished impulse control, paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, cognitive disturbances, obsessive thoughts, paranoia, hypersensitivity to stimuli, posttraumautic stress disorder, self-harm, suicide, and/or psychosis.

Physical death is a one-time experience. BK suffers every day, progressively, which is OK with me. The fact that his petty complaints are his only daily interaction with human beings is - to me - very satisfying.

Interesting information.

Are you an expert in this area or do you have a source? Some of us might like to read more on the consequences of solitary confinement.

WS will vet you if this is actually a topic on which you are an expert and you can replace “Well Known Member” with your new credential! I think you email Tricia or one of the Mods.

 

[MassGuy]

Just reading through that report again. The diluted blood may be attributed to mucus/saliva from the victims in question, and simply using too much solution during the collection process can dilute blood.

I think I prefer either theory over Kohberger cleaning the knife, but like the latter the best. I just don't see him having that kind of time.

I also looked into how common diluted blood is found as scenes like this, and it's not the least bit unusual. It certainly doesn't prove cleanup, which leaves its own telltale signs.

 

[LinasK]

Yes. but I think he would have continued to be a momma's boy once he returned to PA. Despite not knowing that LE was onto him, he had no future plans to go to another school or apply for work. Heck, he could have even gotten a seasonal Christmas job if he'd wanted to...

I just watched a true crime program last night on 20/20 in WIsconsin, where he dropped out of college, lied to his parents about having a job- left the house every morning with his work boots and the lunch his mom packed him- but had never applied for- and went to a park to be a predator and watch for women. He attacked one woman at the park days before he killed his ex-girlfriend.

 

[New Penny]

Thanks for putting LWOP in perspective. I mainly just want him in Gen Pop just like every other murderer, why are these so called "high profile" murderers allowed to be segregated?

JMO

Also, unfortunately (not!) if he were to be murdered or horrifically injured his family could file a lawsuit and maybe actually win a judgement for the prison’s failure to protect him.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

I wish there wasn't a plea deal and they took it all the way and this guy got the death sentence. The crime scene pictures, however awful, truly bring to life what the 4 kids went through. You can understand even more the families dispair with the plea deal. I feel the same for them.

Trial and appeals = a pretty good chance he walks on the ultimate genealogy ruling by the US Supreme court. His assured serving death penalty rested on an Idaho Supreme Court ruling on the DNA.

 

[Boxer]

I just watched a true crime program last night on 20/20 in WIsconsin, where he dropped out of college, lied to his parents about having a job- left the house every morning with his work boots and the lunch his mom packed him- but had never applied for- and went to a park to be a predator and watch for women. He attacked one woman at the park days before he killed his ex-girlfriend.

Sounds a little like Chandler Halderson, killing and sismembering his parents when his father found out his going to school and employment were all fabrications..

 

[lonetraveler]

I know most on this board do not agree with me, but for many reasons, I thought the death penalty should have been pursued. It’s never over for the families: crime scene photos, prison requests, it’s all out there & it will probably continue to be a subject to be discussed in many forms. MOO

I too have to admit that I'm angry that a plea deal was given this monster.

 

[Arkay]

I know most on this board do not agree with me, but for many reasons, I thought the death penalty should have been pursued. It’s never over for the families: crime scene photos, prison requests, it’s all out there & it will probably continue to be a subject to be discussed in many forms. MOO

I too have to admit that I'm angry that a plea deal was given this monster.

I’m not opposed to the death penalty.

However, taking the long view, I still think this was the best outcome.

For one, although it seems incredible, a jury could still have found him Not Guilty. We have all seen cases where we couldn’t believe it, but it happened.

Second, even if BK had a trial, been found Guilty and received the DP, it could be 20 or 30 years until this punishment was actually enacted. That’s still decades of the families suffering, knowing BK was still alive and pestering prison staff with his inane requests.

I do understand that his living conditions would be worse as a Death Row inmate, though.


JMO

 

[Tragg]

Interesting information.

Are you an expert in this area or do you have a source? Some of us might like to read more on the consequences of solitary confinement.

WS will vet you if this is actually a topic on which you are an expert and you can replace “Well Known Member” with your new credential! I think you email Tricia or one of the Mods.

I'm not an expert but my partner is. There's a ton of research out there plus advocacy websites. Here are a couple of pieces you can start with.

The Body in Isolation: the Physical Health Impacts of Incarceration in Solitary Confinement

How Solitary Confinement Contributes to the Mental Health Crisis​

 

[Megnut]

I know there are a lot of people who feel strongly against the plea here, but had it gone to trial, tge courtroom and the jury would have seen unredacted photos, grace violence they could never unless, raw exposure, and BK would have had the sick pleasure of watching victims break down.

I credit him with nothing because he is evil -- he is what happened when a human being rejects what's best in humanity to wield what is worst.

I'm just relieved, for everyone's sake -- but especially the sakes of the families and friends who loved these four lights most -- that it stops here. May those unredacted photos remain under seal for all time.

It took him mere minutes to DESTROY four lives. The violence and brutality is... it's not even human.

And to think, within hours, he was giving himself a thumbs up, it's obscene. He's obscene.

It is good that he has no more stage -- no Court, no appeals, no decades on death row with eternal appeals, no risk of a reversal ala Scott Peterson.

LWOP is a death sentence. He won't get out alive.

JMO

 

[crhedBngr]

I know there are a lot of people who feel strongly against the plea here, but had it gone to trial, tge courtroom and the jury would have seen unredacted photos, grace violence they could never unless, raw exposure, and BK would have had the sick pleasure of watching victims break down.

I credit him with nothing because he is evil -- he is what happened when a human being rejects what's best in humanity to wield what is worst.

I'm just relieved, for everyone's sake -- but especially the sakes of the families and friends who loved these four lights most -- that it stops here. May those unredacted photos remain under seal for all time.

It took him mere minutes to DESTROY four lives. The violence and brutality is... it's not even human.

And to think, within hours, he was giving himself a thumbs up, it's obscene. He's obscene.

It is good that he has no more stage -- no Court, no appeals, no decades on death row with eternal appeals, no risk of a reversal ala Scott Peterson.

LWOP is a death sentence. He won't get out alive.

JMO

He's got FOREVER to contemplate his actions.

Cooped up, has limited exercise options. Has complaints that he's filed; many of these may never be resolved to his satisfaction.

No peace and quiet where he's at. The noise alone must be driving him nuts. Taunts from other prisoners.

IIRC, his web access is curtailed; can't get the type of food to which he thinks he's entitled.

He choose this life. Unfortunately, his four victims can't make choices anymore.

JMVHO.

 

[SilentHill]

The amount of people that have viewed or are eager to view the unredacted photos is absolutely shocking to me. I especially don't understand why these even need to be released to the public when the perpetrator has already been apprehended and locked away. I feel so sorry for the victims and their families.

 

[Boxer]

The amount of people that have viewed or are eager to view the unredacted photos is absolutely shocking to me. I especially don't understand why these even need to be released to the public when the perpetrator has already been apprehended and locked away. I feel so sorry for the victims and their families.

The evidence that was held back not to prejudice the jury becomes part if the public record after trial or plea and conviction.

 

[Kemug]

"Many of his complaints may never be resolved to his satisfaction." Good. That's justice.

 

[Cool Cats]

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[Cool Cats]

I just watched a true crime program last night on 20/20 in WIsconsin, where he dropped out of college, lied to his parents about having a job- left the house every morning with his work boots and the lunch his mom packed him- but had never applied for- and went to a park to be a predator and watch for women. He attacked one woman at the park days before he killed his ex-girlfriend.

There is evidence BK attacked a woman years ago? And killed an ex-girlfriend?

Is this correct thread?

Thank You

 

[crhedBngr]

There is evidence BK attacked a woman years ago? And killed an ex-girlfriend?

Is this correct thread?

Thank You

@LinasK :

What case were you referring to in Wisconsin?

Is that a case where someone attacked a woman years ago and killed an ex-girlfriend?

 

[Gemmie]

He's got FOREVER to contemplate his actions.

SBMFF

IMO he's not going to contemplate his actions for even 1 minute. Not even "where did I go wrong and get caught?". I'll bet in his head he does NO wrong and makes NO mistakes. He's perfect and smarter than everyone else.

What I believe he'll do is relive how it went down over and over in a perverted way. It's just about all he's got left. And I'm not one to advocate for lobotomies... but I'd love to rip that experience right out of his head. It actually makes me angry that he still has it and that no one can take that from him.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The Violent Crime Control Enforcement Act signed into law by Clinton in '94 (even though violent crime was down 10%) mass fueled a behemoth incarceration vs. rehabilitation that lives on today. The prison system is a huge money making machine with no end in sight. Billions of Federal Grant $$$$ incentivized states to expand their capacities and the lengths of incarceration periods. I wonder how much Federal $$$ is spent on prison systems verses money spent on the homeless or mentally ill??

In a perfect world, we could solve thsee problems by not committing any crimes. Obviously that's not going to happen, so we are left knowing that there will always be violence within the prison systems (by guards and inmates). No way around it that I can see. If this murderer gets caught up in that, it's on him. I won't lose any sleep over it that's for sure.


MOO