PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[Megnut]

@Chloegirl, you’re local to the area, right? Were non-students, especially women, pretty safety conscious at night back in 2022?

Anyway, this night-time bodycam footage from the first noise complaint at 1122 King Road in September 2022 shows how dark the front parking area was at night:

This level of darkness made me think it would be difficult for the DD driver (MM) to see into Kohberger’s car without her headlights shining directly into his car. However, headlights facing in the direction of Kohberger’s car would not guarantee that MM could see into his car for various reasons (such as light scattering, the exact location of the headlight beam, and whether or not BK had tinted windows).

Now, if Xana left the front light on for the DD driver, that might have provided enough light for MM to see at least the profile of a nearby driver.

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If Xana instead asked the DD driver to drop off her food next to the slider, she most likely turned on the bright back patio light. MM, in no position to clamber up the rocky slope to the slider, would park on the side street, adjacent to the back of the house, then walk behind DM’s bedroom and onto the patio without too much difficulty. It would still be pretty dark, and I personally wouldn’t agree to do that at 4 am.

Note that in the following images, there is an additional light source (from the Queen Road apartments?) that was not present in September 2024:

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The only problem with the second scenario is that it doesn’t allow MM to park “right next to Bryan” since two cars can’t park abreast on the side street. Even at 4 am that would be a bad idea since it’s a dark narrow street, and MM wouldn’t want to leave her car unattended for even a short period of time IMO. Also, MM implied BK was already there when she parked, so by parking right next to him, she would have blocked him in (presuming other cars lined the rest of the street). This would not be possible since BK’s car was spotted on the 1112 King Rd camera at 3:58 am as he was exiting the area, but MM didn’t deliver the food until 3:59 pm.

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IMOO

Is this a CAR?

 

[wendy44]

I am new to this so im sure it's been answered a million times already.

But what is the surviving flatmates reasoning for not calling 911 until 7 hours later and thinking one of the victims was "unconscious and wouldn't wake up". The scene had blood all over the walls from a report I have read and I am sure it would be pretty obvious that someone had been stabbed to death rather than just unconscious.

The short answer is that DM ran downstairs to BF's room while it was still dark and could not have really seen what had happened in XK's room. When DM and BF couldn't get a response from the others by text or phone the next morning, they did not go upstairs, they called a friend to come over because they were scared. They called 911 while the friend went upstairs to investigate and did not know at that point what had happened.
JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Absoluterubbish]

The short answer is that DM ran downstairs to BF's room while it was still dark and could not have really seen what had happened in XK's room. When DM and BF couldn't get a response from the others by text or phone the next morning, they did not go upstairs, they called a friend to come over because they were scared. They called 911 while the friend went upstairs to investigate and did not know at that point what had happened.
JMO

Thanks for that. I was going to go back and read all the threads until I saw there is 109 of them!

My only questions are why did the 911 caller state that there was a person unconscious that they couldn't wake up? If it was one of the flatmates on the phone to 911 and they hadn't been into any of the rooms why would they say that? And if they had been into the rooms then as I said before the injuries would have been obvious.

From what I have read so far its been confirmed the 911 call was made from one of the flatmates phones but hasn't been confirmed who actually made the call - or maybe ive missed that.

 

[LinasK]

In my city, a person can order all sorts of things for home delivery by a variety of door drop drivers / riders. For example grocery items, toiletries, alcoholic drinks, hot / cold drinks, pharmacy items, home wares via sites like amazon etc... on and on.

It's always been mentioned as to X ordering and eating food but I've lost track of whether we ever did know that and if it's been established where the DD driver collected from and if the contents of the delivery were even known to her.

JMO MOO

IIRC, when you use DoorDash, or any service it's like Lyft or Uber, you prepay by your credit card and the fees are added on. You aren't paying when they deliver. The driver WOULD know that it was from Jack In the Box.

 

[Sachi]

DBM

 

[iamshadow21]

I am new to this so im sure it's been answered a million times already.

But what is the surviving flatmates reasoning for not calling 911 until 7 hours later and thinking one of the victims was "unconscious and wouldn't wake up". The scene had blood all over the walls from a report I have read and I am sure it would be pretty obvious that someone had been stabbed to death rather than just unconscious.

The short version is, your brain protects you.

I've told the story on here before of a true crime show I watched years ago. A woman called an ambulance because her housemate wouldn't wake up one morning. She worried she'd had a seizure or a heart attack in her sleep. It was only once the paramedics arrived and took over that she suddenly realised her housemate and the room she was in were absolutely covered in blood. She'd been a victim of an intruder homicide in the night, and the housemate hadn't heard a thing.

MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Is this a CAR?

Good catch, @Megnut! I thought at first it was a shadow, but I think you’re right.

Here is a photo from the back patio. It’s hard to tell exactly where the black SUV is parked due to perspective issues.



Here are photos that make it look like one could drive a truck up the hill next to the small retaining wall:





It is definitely NOT a dedicated parking area, though!

This aerial photo shows the large fenced-in area to the right of the house. It appears to be a yard and not a parking area (there appears to be grass under the snow, when I check the area on Google Earth):



Source of all photos: https://jameskeivom.com/Idaho-Murders

 

[Megnut]

If XK was texting the DDD, there may have been a level of comfort -- especially since the white car drove away -- maybe XK came out the slider and met the DDD at any point between the front door and the slider.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

25m

 

[PunishThenForgive]

If XK was texting the DDD, there may have been a level of comfort -- especially since the white car drove away -- maybe XK came out the slider and met the DDD at any point between the front door and the slider.

JMO

That would certainly be in line with Xana’s character.

IMO

 

[wendy44]

Thanks for that. I was going to go back and read all the threads until I saw there is 109 of them!

My only questions are why did the 911 caller state that there was a person unconscious that they couldn't wake up? If it was one of the flatmates on the phone to 911 and they hadn't been into any of the rooms why would they say that? And if they had been into the rooms then as I said before the injuries would have been obvious.

From what I have read so far its been confirmed the 911 call was made from one of the flatmates phones but hasn't been confirmed who actually made the call - or maybe ive missed that.

We haven't seen it directly, but there has been reference to some grand jury testimony that when DM ran downstairs to BF's room, she thought she might have seen XK passed out on the floor. Since it was 4:30am and the house was dark and DM was running to get downstairs, it makes sense she really didn't see anything except a brief flash of what she thought was XK passed out. We don't know what XK was wearing in that moment, but we do know she had been wearing all black earlier and may still have been, which would make it even harder to distinguish any details with the combination of night time and running through the living room to get to BF's room as fast as she could.

It can definitely be confusing! Here's a link to a court document if you have time to read through it that might help paint a better picture:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+States+Motions+in+Limine+RE+Text+Messages+and+911+Call.pdf

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Thanks for that. I was going to go back and read all the threads until I saw there is 109 of them!

My only questions are why did the 911 caller state that there was a person unconscious that they couldn't wake up? If it was one of the flatmates on the phone to 911 and they hadn't been into any of the rooms why would they say that? And if they had been into the rooms then as I said before the injuries would have been obvious.

From what I have read so far its been confirmed the 911 call was made from one of the flatmates phones but hasn't been confirmed who actually made the call - or maybe ive missed that.

Reader's Digest Condensed version:
DM and BF called their friends over in the morning. The assumption is they did not go upstairs or if they did, they did not get close, but maybe called and no one moved. The 911 call started with the friend reporting a person not waking up (because they likely thought drunk, passed out and not waking up). Until they went upstairs during the call with HJ, HJ was cautious and when he got close could see what had happened, told the girls to get out. At that point, they probably knew E and X were deceased, but no one was going to go confirm it, so it was left at Unconscious. This had the added advantage of sending EMTs in case there was anyone still alive. (imo)

College roommates often do not call 911 for a drunken roomie because they don't want to get them in trouble. No one can know what DM was thinking, but my take is she was terrified having seen a stranger in the house, convinced herself that Xana was in a drunken stupor and by morning was worried that a drunken roommate still would not respond. (because you can die from alcohol poisoning). There are a lot of people in the world who when presented with a terrifying situation have no idea what to do, especially if there happened to be "roomie rules" (I have no idea if there were or were not).

Basically, she said that "She's not waking up". If she stood at the top of the stairs and called out to Xana or tried her phone and she didn't answer, in college world it's "Passed out" as in drunk and not waking up. If your brain doesn't want to know the real answer, you aren't going to go look, IMO.

ETA: Read the document @wendy44 posted just before I posted this. Much better.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Thanks for that. I was going to go back and read all the threads until I saw there is 109 of them!

My only questions are why did the 911 caller state that there was a person unconscious that they couldn't wake up? If it was one of the flatmates on the phone to 911 and they hadn't been into any of the rooms why would they say that? And if they had been into the rooms then as I said before the injuries would have been obvious.

From what I have read so far its been confirmed the 911 call was made from one of the flatmates phones but hasn't been confirmed who actually made the call - or maybe ive missed that.

IIRC, the 911 caller (or someone with them, both friends called by the 2 surviving housemates to assist) had gone upstairs and saw one of the victims lying on the floor in the hallway on the 2nd of the 3 floors of the house when they went up the stairs from the ground floor to check on the situation, and that's why they assumed the person was unconscious.

It's also been posited that something in the way the 911 dispatch person logged the information as "unconscious person" was more likely to trigger an immediate response, e.g., if they logged "person just saw a person lying on the floor of the hallway who is nonresponsive, and wonders if they're just passed out..." LE might not be dispatched as quickly.

Everyone else still alive (the 2 surviving housemates) were on the ground floor that morning, so would not have seen anything (unless the 1 on the 2nd floor at the time of the murders before running down to join the other on the ground floor saw someone lying on the floor but it was dark and they could have not seen blood and assumed they were passed out).

Because 2 of the victims were in a bedroom on the 3rd floor, and 2 of the victims were in a bedroom on the 2nd floor and supposedly 1 of them was lying partially inside the door of the bedroom/partially in the hallway, and so could be seen on the floor in the hallway by the friend who alerted or was the 911 caller.

It didn't have to be obvious, therefore -- "all the blood" indicating murders -- until the friend who went upstairs later that morning and in broad daylight saw one of the victims lying on the floor and blood nearby/around them, and then they told everyone to get out and call 911.

The 911 call was made by a friend of the surviving housemates on one of their cellphones, who was one of the friends they called for assistance.

This info and additional details have all been in MSM and linked in threads above, but because I'm not citing sources, I'll say this is all just my opinion (JMO).

 

[Absoluterubbish]

We haven't seen it directly, but there has been reference to some grand jury testimony that when DM ran downstairs to BF's room, she thought she might have seen XK passed out on the floor. Since it was 4:30am and the house was dark and DM was running to get downstairs, it makes sense she really didn't see anything except a brief flash of what she thought was XK passed out. We don't know what XK was wearing in that moment, but we do know she had been wearing all black earlier and may still have been, which would make it even harder to distinguish any details with the combination of night time and running through the living room to get to BF's room as fast as she could.

It can definitely be confusing! Here's a link to a court document if you have time to read through it that might help paint a better picture:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+States+Motions+in+Limine+RE+Text+Messages+and+911+Call.pdf

JMO

Thank you so much for sharing that document with me. I now have a much better understanding of what I was asking.

 

[LadyL]

Did Xana ever actually have the delivery in her hands? It's somewhat interesting that the DD mentions being "right next" to Bryan but doesn't mention seeing Xana. This could mean nothing but I wonder if the DD leaves the delivery outside, as is common with DoorDash, and Xana bumps into Bryan on her way to collect the delivery a few minutes later? MOO

someone, presumably Xana, put it on the kitchen counter and the bag was opened at the top

 

[PunishThenForgive]

OK, everyone. Here’s a screenshot of the transcript from the above YouTube video by Angenette Levy:


Well, Ashley Jennings, who is one of the prosecuting attorneys, also said this during the open Motion Hearing on April 9, 2025:

DM’s the only living individual who saw the person responsible for these four homicides.

Time: 4:20:27 to 4:20:32

How does the idea that the DoorDasher, MM, actually saw Bryan fit with this statement by Ashley Jennings? Perhaps MM just meant that she saw Bryan’s car the morning of the murders?

Levy also says in her video that law enforcement hasn’t even confirmed that MM is the DD driver due to the gag order, but other news sources (Brian Entin for one) have said MM checks out.

Anyway, Levy’s interview with the “court-appointed counsel” Philip Dubé shows her skepticism of MM’s motives and may fuel attacks on MM by the Probergers.

IMO

ETA: Judge Hippler backs up Jennings in his subsequent April 18, 2025 Order on Defendants Motion in Limine RE Witness Identification by Bushy Eyebrows:

D.M., a roommate of the victims in this case, was the sole eyewitness to the intruder believed to have carried out the homicides at 1122 King Road.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

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[minazoe]

Bryan Entin will be my go to. but this 48 hour coverage looks promising. mOO

 

[whatzthebuzz]

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IMO the coverage of this case is nothing new. Here's a photo of the Hunterdon County Courthouse in NJ during the 1935 Lindbergh baby murder trial. Look at the wires running to and from the court building!

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