Please Update George's Condition or New Developments Here

[Paintr]

How much say does GA have right now over whether he remains in hospital or if he leaves? He has a lawyer, BC, looking out for his interests. However BC is also CA's lawyer. If a difference of opinion should arise between G and C regarding his being forced to stay, whose concerns does BC represent? A difficult position for a lawyer to be in, if his clients interests should diverge. I wish these two had separate legal representation.

 

[patfrmokla]

My husband has suffered from treatment resistant depression for over 10 years. We have had multiple admissions. This is in the state of Oklahoma (with mental health parity laws), so the procedure may be different than the State of Florida.
When he or I feel he needs to go in and is in danger, he used to be taken by me to the emergancy room of the hospital we are most comfortable with. They would have a mental health professional come from the associated mental health facility down the road and do an assessment of him. At that point a contracted transport company would come and get him and take him to the mental health facility. At one time, years ago, I could take him myself, but that is no longer permitted. At no time was he ever admitted to the original hospital. Now, I suppose if he had some medical issues (like an overdose of whatever) they probably would have. Praise God, we have never gotten to that point.
He has stayed at the mental health facility anywhere from 6 days to 8 weeks, depending on his situation. Since he has had his Vagus Nerve Simulator implanted, his deep depressions have been less frequent and less severe, resulting in only 3 hospitalizations since 2006. He still sees his phychiatrist about every 3 months for a med check and if he feels the need his counselor for various periods of time. Depression, whether brought on by genetics or by life circumstances if a horrific illness. I pray for George as he tries to come to grips with how his life has been altered forever. Recovery also requires strong support from those around him and I also pray they all have the where with all to rally around him and give the the strength and support to let the medical community do what they do.
What medical insurance you have will make a difference on where and what kind of treatment you get as well (and as sad as that is) I am fortunate to have BC/BS federal coverage. They have been AWESOME! But if you have NO insurance, then you are using the State facilities and charitable organizations for your meds. Not discounting what they do, as they do the best they can with funds available, but common sense says they will not have the resources that someone with good coverage would have. But no one lets them out on the streets if they are a danger to themselves or others. And they give them multiple options for medication acquisition and counseling.
Our Doctor's will alwasy consult with both my husband and I prior to letting him leave. If either of us feel like he is not ready, they will hang on to him. But we have developed a relationship over the years. In fact, now, if I (or hubby) feels like he is in danger, we call the Dr. directly and we can skip the emergancy room visit and go directly to the hospital. Hopefully we don't have to do that much anymore.....

 

[Kat]

patfrmokla, thank you for sharing your experiences and giving us a perspective. Good luck to you and your husband.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

How much say does GA have right now over whether he remains in hospital or if he leaves? He has a lawyer, BC, looking out for his interests. However BC is also CA's lawyer. If a difference of opinion should arise between G and C regarding his being forced to stay, whose concerns does BC represent? A difficult position for a lawyer to be in, if his clients interests should diverge. I wish these two had separate legal representation.

ITA...they should have separate lawyers. Just the fact that the stories they have already given LE conflict with each other (eg the car chase), is reason enough he shouldn't be acting for both.

 

[Paintr]

ITA...they should have separate lawyers. Just the fact that the stories they have already given LE conflict with each other (eg the car chase), is reason enough he shouldn't be acting for both.

Is it legal fo BC to represent both? Even with the immunity issue, shouldn't each be trying to make his/her own arrangement with the SA's office? It may come down to degree of involvement for each...therefor separate deals, should be separate legal reps.

 

[Broderick]

George Anthony To Remain Hospitalized Another Week

http://www.wftv.com/news/18568548/detail.html


"ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George Anthony's problems appear to be even more serious than first thought. According to the Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway, he'll stay in the hospital for at least another week after threatening to kill himself.

George Anthony can have visitors, if he wants, with prior doctor's approval. His wife Cindy has been there at least once.

The Anthonys are having financial difficulties, but even if they can't pay for his treatment taxpayers will not be on the hook. Baker Act visits are treated as all others. Either insurance pays or the patient, or the hospital takes a loss. "


There ya go. At least another week. IMO the funeral will be delayed for this as well as any and all questioning that LE desperately wants to do up to, and including, LA.

When is this merry go round going to stop? I'm getting dizzy!

Honestly, I hope he gets the help he needs, but I really hope he comes to terms with what has transpired in the last half year. Maybe this distance and counseling away from Cindy will provide him with clarity and maybe he will recognize he can be the hero for Caylee. He can still love his daughter, but justice must be served and he must be honest about what she did. Cindy is too far gone to ever grasp reality, now, and in the life of her daughter Casey - since day one.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

ITA...they should have separate lawyers. Just the fact that the stories they have already given LE conflict with each other (eg the car chase), is reason enough he shouldn't be acting for both.

I totally agree with you.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Is it legal fo BC to represent both? Even with the immunity issue, shouldn't each be trying to make his/her own arrangement with the SA's office? It may come down to degree of involvement for each...therefor separate deals, should be separate legal reps.

I am not from America, but for what it's worth, where I come from it would probably not be illegal per se, unless you could prove he committed an illegal act. But where I come from we have Bar Rules governing conflict situations, and the bottom line is that you should not act/should withdraw if there is a POTENTIAL conflict. If lawyers do not withdraw in the early stages, what can happen is they find themselves in a position where they have to withdraw midway through a trial, at great cost to the taxpayer as the trial would have to be run again.

And, yes, one possible area of potential conflict in this case are immunity deals.

In my experience, lawyers will sometimes act for more than 1 accused person in a case, but that is usually when their stories are pretty much identical and the lawyer is reasonably confident those stories won't change. But again, risky, as one client may take the witness box, say something unexpected which hurts your other client, and you can't cross examine on it or challenge it in anyway, which would result in you needing to withdraw.

Bottom line...I think he should withdraw altogether and they each need separate lawyers. It's too late for him to just withdraw from one client as he is now privy to another interested party's confidential info, so it's time for him to walk away. But he won't unless the Bar 'n makes him do it, IMO. Likes the press way too much I think.

 

[nobull]

Yes but you have to sign on for that voluntarily. Can't make you stay past the 72 hour hold if you don't wanna....generally speaking of course.

Not true.

In general, the psychiatrist themselves are the ONLY one that can make the decision to discharge the pt before the 72 hour period is completed. Usually this time frame doesn't include weekends or legal holidays, unless the courts are open 7 days a week in certain areas.

After that time, in order to continue to detain someone, one of two things happens:

1) The pt agrees to stay voluntarily.

*or*

2) The MD believes there is significant clinical evidence to suggest that the pt is imminently dangerous to self or others. At this point, the pt would need a probable cause hearing, and the judge would need to agree with the MD's judgement in order to continue to detain a pt for further assessment.

 

[nostoneunturned]

I think their are enough lawyers in this case already. GA and CA didn't harm Caylee.They have been doing what ever possible to get " reasonable doubt" on the table. I think they may need a divorce lawyer but not another criminal lawyer.
They will be treated as hostile witnesses and probably not even take the stand. Their credibility as witnesses is shot all to hel.
BC needs to stay out of the cameras and get Cindy grief counseling before they end up sharing a room at the mental treatment facility.
George, will be treated and the hospital pick up the tab. He will probably qualify for a check from the state,due to the emotional trama,

 

[tiredofthis]

I was going to say this very thing! If I were George I would ask to stay....as LONG AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE...while I figured out where to go next.

ITA. He doesn't need to step back into that circus. I know some of it was of his own making, but he needs to get away from all of the pressure.

 

[JBean]

Not true.

In general, the psychiatrist themselves are the ONLY one that can make the decision to discharge the pt before the 72 hour period is completed. Usually this time frame doesn't include weekends or legal holidays, unless the courts are open 7 days a week in certain areas.

After that time, in order to continue to detain someone, one of two things happens:

1) The pt agrees to stay voluntarily.

*or*

2) The MD believes there is significant clinical evidence to suggest that the pt is imminently dangerous to self or others. At this point, the pt would need a probable cause hearing, and the judge would need to agree with the MD's judgement in order to continue to detain a pt for further assessment.

LOL I agree. It is very difficult to keep someone here in CA.

 

[diz39]

I feel so bad for GA. It must extremely difficult to deal with all that has happened. Just trying to accept the truth is beyond comprehension. Not even KC's possible guilt, even just the fact that he was unable to protect his Caylee must be tearing him apart. I'm not sure he will ever recover....

:blowkiss:Shamrock....I deal with the same thing with my sister, she's a terrible alcoholic. We have tried everything to convince to get help, but unless she wants it, we absolutely cannot force her. It's heartbreaking. I always think my phone will ring with bad news, and I love her so dearly. I know if the worse does happen, I will always wonder if I could have done more.

Not sure where you live, or even if this link will work: I haven't figured out how to do that yet!
Anyway, in Fl there is something called the Marchman Act, where a physician or family member can basically petition the court to get help for a person addicted to drugs or alcohol involuntarily. I saw this used several times when I was working in the ED,initiated by physicians and families. May be something worthwhile to look into. If my linking skills are as poor as I think they are, you can google the Marchman Act. Hope that helps.
I know how painful it is to deal with alcoholics: my mother was a terrible alcoholic, and it left me scarred.

 

[diz39]

Oops! Dumb dumb Diz failed with links again! Sorry!:blowkiss:

 

[Paintr]

Respectfully snipped Bunny's post

Bottom line...I think he should withdraw altogether and they each need separate lawyers. It's too late for him to just withdraw from one client as he is now privy to another interested party's confidential info, so it's time for him to walk away. But he won't unless the Bar 'n makes him do it, IMO. Likes the press way too much I think.[/QUOTE]


Oh My! I never thought of the fact that he id now privy to info from both of the A's. I can understand why he should leave both clients. BUT I also agree that BC is too self confident and superior (imo) to do this. He thinks he is so good that he can juggle both Anthonys and DC all at once. So far he seems to have succeded in keeping at least CA out of the spotlight.

 

[murdershewrote]

I am glad that GA is getting the help he needs...we just had a man kill his wife and 5 kids here in California today, he was out of work, etc. One never knows where this stuff can lead...such a tragedy.

Can someone refresh my memory...did George retire from the police force, so he would be getting a pension, or did he "quit"?

 

[Broderick]

I am glad that GA is getting the help he needs...we just had a man kill his wife and 5 kids here in California today, he was out of work, etc. One never knows where this stuff can lead...such a tragedy.

Can someone refresh my memory...did George retire from the police force, so he would be getting a pension, or did he "quit"?

He quit to go into the car business with his dad under the direction of Cindy. Seems she wasn't happy with the funds. When that failed to work out, he opened his own and that subsequently failed.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

He quit to go into the car business with his dad under the direction of Cindy. Seems she wasn't happy with the funds. When that failed to work out, he opened his own and that subsequently failed.

Are we sure he quit? Is it possible he was fired or asked to resign?

 

[Broderick]

Are we sure he quit? Is it possible he was fired or asked to resign?

According to the brother, he quit because Cindy thought he was going to inherit the business. They Anthony's lie of course, even to family, but I have seen nothing to indicate he was fired or forced out. I tend to think it rings true that it was about "money" and "inheritance".

 

[murdershewrote]

George must feel like he's failed at everything....his work, his family, this all must have contributed to his present state of mind. I bet he is one angry man inside.