POI - Dale Golder - #1

[mysticrose]

No one has ever called me while I was at work, ever...

 

[Jules71]

Yea, I bet they are history after what she has been thru.

How did it go today? It was drizzly here and I thought about the search many times. I did read 4 or so officers were doing a search in some timberland north of a timber plant {can't remember the name ;} I saw what looked like a paved road leading north into the woods and wonder if they zoned in on anything. xox

On as recent as 9/23, just a few days before the search of Golder's property - she wrote kiss kiss on his ms page. So what do you all make of that?

 

[nursebeeme]

this affidavit was truly eye opening in this case! wow! If we were to believe the crap being posted at other 'sites' you would think that this poi was just a ghost. I say not! And it makes me also, really wonder about those supposed "family ties" over on those other sites. At the least, some more clues could be garnered eh?

I am glad to know that LE is onto something solid. This seems very solid to me. Actually beyond solid. I am sure they have a tail on fish.

 

[nursebeeme]

pin the tail on the fish

eta: play on words only (kinda)

 

[momtective]

pin the tail on the fish

eta: play on words only (kinda)

:floorlaugh: More like slap the cuffs on the fish!

 

[mysticrose]

Well hubby wants to go to bed. I'll keep pondering this over and over until I have picked it to the bone.

Goodnight all see you tommorrow !

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm really happy they posted the affidavit publicly. It seems that DD has finally left me alone and stopped blaming me for single handedly ruining this families life.

Looks like Dale was perfectly capable of doing that himself. My help wasn't needed.

Don't quote me please. I might decide to delete this in a few minutes.

you keep going girl! And hold your head up high! The ONLY PERSON THAT NEEDS TO ANSWER to where they were when, where, why, and how is fish... and he seems to have no apparant clue.(or the real one that he is willing to share)

As to the family.. a bad egg only ruins the family if they crack it and let the rotten insides seep all over the rest of the family. They are behaving so much like the Casey A family at this point that it makes me do the little vomit in my own mouth deal.

Don't you delete your post. It was wonderful. You have nothing to hide from.. you have been an ANGEL (and contine to be) in this case~! I have also seen where you have been dragged thru the mud on other sites and it makes me spit nails and puke out shingles! If I had an ounce of evil in my body I would sign up and respond but that is not the way I roll. However, don't for one minute think that I didn't see that stuff and not think of you... and hope you would let it roll off like water off a duck feather..

((aside: did you know that ducks secrete a waxy like substance that they coat their feathers with to make them waterproof?))

Okay.. I know.. I am rambling.. but I just want you to know that I am in awe of all you are doing JenniferO...! you go girl!

 

[nursebeeme]

night night mystic!

 

[momtective]

I'm thinking that Lindsey might have gone with Golder willingly. I'm pretty sure they know each other from the Beehive. The affidavit stated that many employees and residents at Beehive knew Lindsey. I'm thinking maybe he told her she could drive his car but they'd have to go out to the dirt roads or an out of the way place so she wouldn't get caught driving. Maybe he offered to teach her to drive or maybe he just offered her a ride home to get her in the car. But if he offered her a ride and went in another direction other than her home I think she might have tried to jump out of the car. So the telling her he would take her somewhere safe to drive would have bought him enough time to at least get on the highway and up to a speed that would make it less likely she would jump out or fight him.
I think once he got her to a secluded location her did the unthinkable. I'm thinking the location would have had to be secluded because I'm sure she screamed and fought him. Now we just have to find that secluded area.
Looking at black lake it appears to have lakeside homes all around it. The camp area though appears to be heavily wooded yet not necessarily secluded.
I'm thinking he would have gone somewhere that would not be associated with him. Not close to his home or jobs. Somewhere very secluded where screaming after 10:00pm would not be noticed.
Any ideas where that would be?

 

[scandi]

you keep going girl! And hold your head up high! The ONLY PERSON THAT NEEDS TO ANSWER to where they were when, where, why, and how is fish... and he seems to have no apparant clue.(or the real one that he is willing to share)

As to the family.. a bad egg only ruins the family if they crack it and let the rotten insides seep all over the rest of the family. They are behaving so much like the Casey A family at this point that it makes me do the little vomit in my own mouth deal.

Don't you delete your post. It was wonderful. You have nothing to hide from.. you have been an ANGEL (and contine to be) in this case~! I have also seen where you have been dragged thru the mud on other sites and it makes me spit nails and puke out shingles! If I had an ounce of evil in my body I would sign up and respond but that is not the way I roll. However, don't for one minute think that I didn't see that stuff and not think of you... and hope you would let it roll off like water off a duck feather..

((aside: did you know that ducks secrete a waxy like substance that they coat their feathers with to make them waterproof?))

Okay.. I know.. I am rambling.. but I just want you to know that I am in awe of all you are doing JenniferO...! you go girl!

I did one day last week because I belong there. I just had enough of the ragging and let it blow! xox

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm thinking that Lindsey might have gone with Golder willingly. I'm pretty sure they know eac other from the Beehive. The affidavit stated that many employees and residents at Beehive knew Lindsey. I'm thinking maybe he told her she could drive his car but they'd have to go out to the dirt roads or an out of the way place so she wouldn't get caught driving. Maybe he offered to teach her to drive or maybe he just offered her a ride home to get her in the car. But if he offered her a ride and went in another direction other than her home I think she might have tried to jump out of the car. So the telling her he would take her somewhere safe to drive would have bought him enough time to at least get on the highway and up to a speed that would make it less likely she would jump out or fight him.
I think once he got her to a secluded location her did the unthinkable. I'm thinking the location would have had to be secluded because I'm sure she screamed and fought him. Now we just have to find that secluded area.
Looking at black lake it appears to have lakeside homes all around it. The camp area though appears to be heavily wooded yet not necessarily secluded.
I'm thinking he would have gone somewhere that would not be associated with him. Not close to his home or jobs. Somewhere very secluded where screaming after 10:00pm would not be noticed.
Any ideas where that would be?

ita, esp after reading in the affadavit that someone reported his noisey white car in the same area as Linsey missing.

I would think he would go to remote areas KNOWN... ie... areas that he had familiarity with that were also remote and not likely to have been frequented by lots of people. Also, as per premeditation.. do you think this was planned or opportunity? I think it was more like spur of the moment. He could have picked her up and planned on doing something kinky and it went above and beyond... not sure what anyone else was thinking... kinda like a "lets drive out here and talk" kinda thing that evolved into an assault and murder, etc.... (sorry to be so graphic)

 

[Salem]

Are we just speculating he was in McCleary for the 1:11 am call? What makes you think that? Maybe he was gone all night and when he got home he made the 6 am call?

Jules - DEFINITELY just speculating. I'm thinking he knew enough to turn his phone off? Didn't turn it back on until later. I think that because the affidavit says this was unusual behavior for him - that normally there were calls and texts all during the night until about 1:00ish in the morning. If, normally, he was using his phone from 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m., it stands to reason he was communicating with more than 1 person. So... the GF says he went to work, or that's what she thought (maybe?) but others would have probably continued to contact him during those hours.... but he got no calls or texts? I could be reading too much into the comments on SW, but it helps to try to narrow the search area if we can?

Salem

 

[TakeNote]

here is a link to a great map i found on cyberswept account

http://s913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/cyberswept/?action=view&current=20mile_radius.jpg

it shows a 20 mile radius

 

[scandi]

I'm thinking that Lindsey might have gone with Golder willingly. I'm pretty sure they know each other from the Beehive. The affidavit stated that many employees and residents at Beehive knew Lindsey. I'm thinking maybe he told her she could drive his car but they'd have to go out to the dirt roads or an out of the way place so she wouldn't get caught driving. Maybe he offered to teach her to drive or maybe he just offered her a ride home to get her in the car. But if he offered her a ride and went in another direction other than her home I think she might have tried to jump out of the car. So the telling her he would take her somewhere safe to drive would have bought him enough time to at least get on the highway and up to a speed that would make it less likely she would jump out or fight him.
I think once he got her to a secluded location her did the unthinkable. I'm thinking the location would have had to be secluded because I'm sure she screamed and fought him. Now we just have to find that secluded area.
Looking at black lake it appears to have lakeside homes all around it. The camp area though appears to be heavily wooded yet not necessarily secluded.
I'm thinking he would have gone somewhere that would not be associated with him. Not close to his home or jobs. Somewhere very secluded where screaming after 10:00pm would not be noticed.
Any ideas where that would be?

Did we ever read much about the private dog search for Lindsey? I can't remember his name, but I have read that one place his cadaver dog alerted was on or off a logging road that somehow takes off of Beck St which is in the NE part of McCleary.

See if this shows the road off Beck St:

I just looked at a map {wish I could drive it}, and do see a road that takes off of Beck heading north and then bends to the east a bit. It Y's with another road and goes until it just dead ends.

I don't think there is much out there besides trees and a few small wild animals. I think screams would be muffled by all the branches. And so close to town the road would most likely be easy for even a low rider to travel.

There is another thought I have about a gun. In the SW there was so much spelled out for the search of gun stuff. Maybe it was standard verbiage. But it made me wonder if someone reported hearing gunshots that night! I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilitiy. xox


ETA: Euf ta meta! I can't get this map I found on Google to delete. It blew the margins. Christine, can you try to delete it? Ta

 

[Salem]

Here is what I found and it is not my area of expertise lol:

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_bra...L_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY, WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,

It is an interactive map so you can slide down to Aberdeen and see there are only 2 towers for that big area and then over to Olympia where there are not many either {the State Capitol}. I was amazed how few towers it takes to service an area.

Do they play on each other for strength in signal that is if they are closer together?

Great find Scandi! I'm wondering if all towers are listed because I don't see Verizon or AT&T or Sprint towers.

Salem

 

[TakeNote]

Jules - DEFINITELY just speculating. I'm thinking he knew enough to turn his phone off? Didn't turn it back on until later. I think that because the affidavit says this was unusual behavior for him - that normally there were calls and texts all during the night until about 1:00ish in the morning. If, normally, he was using his phone from 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m., it stands to reason he was communicating with more than 1 person. So... the GF says he went to work, or that's what she thought (maybe?) but others would have probably continued to contact him during those hours.... but he got no calls or texts? I could be reading too much into the comments on SW, but it helps to try to narrow the search area if we can?

Salem

no i think you are right.....i bet he turned off his phone...at 9:26
i think he was talking to his girlfriend....seen lindsey and said hey...i got to go im going to work....

then girlfriend sent a message to his myspace......i bet because his phone was off.....then there was a two min call at 1:11....

then he was back on the phone at 6am.......

im still looking at the time line from 9:26pm to 6:00am

sorry to say....but i dont think he was done by 1:11 am

i think girlfriend could have thought he was on break at 1:11 and phoned him.....maybe she left a long message for him.....

maybe he didnt turn his phone back on until 6am and seen she called then...?

 

[Salem]

Have you seen the size of that lake? lol
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...39,-122.974262&spn=0.027395,0.077162&t=h&z=14

Thank you! And it is 36 minutes from McCleary: http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=6...74262&sspn=0.027395,0.077162&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11

Salem

 

[momtective]

This area across from the Golder property is very heavily wooded with what looks to be logging roads. I've mapped 3.3 miles into the woods. Do y'all think anyone would have heard her scream from that deep into the woods?http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...517,-123.293552&spn=0.01369,0.038581&t=h&z=15

 

[Jules71]

Jules - DEFINITELY just speculating. I'm thinking he knew enough to turn his phone off? Didn't turn it back on until later. I think that because the affidavit says this was unusual behavior for him - that normally there were calls and texts all during the night until about 1:00ish in the morning. If, normally, he was using his phone from 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m., it stands to reason he was communicating with more than 1 person. So... the GF says he went to work, or that's what she thought (maybe?) but others would have probably continued to contact him during those hours.... but he got no calls or texts? I could be reading too much into the comments on SW, but it helps to try to narrow the search area if we can?

Salem

Salem,
I think you are right on about him turning his phone off - but wouldn't it still show missed calls and stuff? How would the ppl who txt or call him know not to disturb him during this time? Hmmmm... thinking...

 

[TakeNote]

ok thinking here

we know fish was into cars....we did see where he smashed in his in some of his pics...it looked like it was out in the forest.....

are there places where kids can drive thier cars around in the mud and stuff like that....or go dirt bike ridding .....off trails?

i noticed the person that connect walters to fishs girlfriend...has pics of his 4 wheelers