POI: Michael Pak

[deedee21]

One unit responded, advised they could not find the subject, requested additional resources, which ultimately were denied by the county as per the depts protocol. At the next tour a k-9 officer was dispatched in an attmept to track a scent that was 4-5 hours old, which also meant if SG was wandering aimlessly she would have a 4-5 hour head start. Eventually the aviation section came in and was dispatched. They flew around and saw nothing. 5-6 hours later. The officer wrote a field report. This is information paraphrased from the Schwarz Report which is a forum for LE.

Its dept protocol to deny needed additional resources? No wonder JR is also going after LE.

 

[ps149]

I can tell you right now that they take every call seriously.

I can also tell you right now how on any given weekend the Suffolk, Nassau, Queens & Brooklyn 911 New York system receives fifteen to twenty mysterious untraceable calls just like SG's with no way to know where the hell the calls were made and whether or not they were real lives in danger, stupid pranks or drug induced paranoid episodes. Since fifteen to twenty people aren't known to be murdered each weekend, it's easy to assume how most of the calls like SG's were not real threats.

Not to be cold or harsh... Let's face it- some amount of responsibility falls on SG's shoulders for putting herself in the position of not knowing where she was while conducting an extremely risky illegal act and for foolishly using a phone that was untraceable and not registered on the E911 system to make a 911 call. The police are good but cannot be blamed for not being able to figure out where SG was calling from or that her call was even real.

 

[deedee21]

SG mother said she had a traceable phone.

 

[deedee21]

Are there any known drug dealers or drug addicts living in Oak Beach?

 

[deedee21]

Every call should be treated like it is real. The academy does not teach them to flip a coin.

 

[Samantha Spade]

PS149 does sound a little harsh, but many cops I know would tend to agree with him there, though they probably wouldn't state it publicly.


"Not to be cold or harsh... Let's face it- some amount of responsibility falls on SG's shoulders for putting herself in the position of not knowing where she was while conducting an extremely risky illegal act and for foolishly using a phone that was untraceable and not registered on the E911 system to make a 911 call. The police are good but cannot be blamed for not being able to figure out where SG was calling from or that her call was even real."

 

[fred&edna]

I've been trying (without success) to find the post by Seaslug w/his explanation of the routing etc of SG's 911 call, but no luck. It was fairly detailed and I assumed it was accurate.

 

[ps149]

SG mother said she had a traceable phone.

Any phone built after 2004ish could be traceable if the owner allows it to be. However that would involve enabling caller ID recognition and registering the phone in her real name under her real address. If her phone had a GPS, that would also entail keeping the GPS feature activated.

The problem for a working girl like SG is that if she activated all of these features, it would 1) allow her clients to see her real name whenever she called them back 2) allow a vice squad the ability to trace the exact location and movement of her phone shortly after they see her cell phone number being used for online solicitation of sex for money 3) allow a vice squad to learn her real identity and address.

IF she had activated all of these features then when she called 911 the operator would have known SG's full name and home address along with her exact latitude/longitude position at the time of her call. Instead of asking her where she was located they would have told her that her phone was reporting to their E911 system that she was on BLANK BLANK STREET in Oak Beach, NY.

IF she had activated all of these features then there would be an E911 report supplied that would have indicated a detailed timeline with precise locations of where her cell phone was not only located at the time of her phone call but the movement of that cell phone throughout the entire 23 minutes of her 911 call along with a report as to at what point in time and location her cell phone signal stopped transmitting it's location to the grid.

IF she had activated all of these features then the local police in the city or town where she registered her phone would have been notified that the cell phone of one their residents was used to make a 911 distress call and an officer in that jurisdiction would have been dispatched to the address that her cell phone was registered to in order to check on her safety.

To further clarify- it's not in question whether or not SG had a phone that was capable to being traced. It's more of an assumption that since not one of the IF's above materialized, SG purposely maintained her cell phone in a stealth mode to protect her from revealing her identity or her whereabouts.

It's an inherit risk that comes with those who engage in illegal professions who need to utilize a cell phone as a means to conduct that business. It's the same risk that drug dealers, hit men and those who offer arson-for-hire assume when they must remain untraceable. It's the very reason why most of them and most prostitutes use burn phones for their business activity instead of their personal phones.

Spending an extra $40/month for a second phone could have saved her life.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I can tell you right now that they take every call seriously.

I can also tell you right now how on any given weekend the Suffolk, Nassau, Queens & Brooklyn 911 New York system receives fifteen to twenty mysterious untraceable calls just like SG's with no way to know where the hell the calls were made and whether or not they were real lives in danger, stupid pranks or drug induced paranoid episodes. Since fifteen to twenty people aren't known to be murdered each weekend, it's easy to assume how most of the calls like SG's were not real threats.

Not to be cold or harsh... Let's face it- some amount of responsibility falls on SG's shoulders for putting herself in the position of not knowing where she was while conducting an extremely risky illegal act and for foolishly using a phone that was untraceable and not registered on the E911 system to make a 911 call. The police are good but cannot be blamed for not being able to figure out where SG was calling from or that her call was even real.

I don't know how seriously they could have taken SG's frantic 911 call...they didn't search Brewer's house or vehicle until 7 months later.

And, of course, we have Gus Coletti's opinion on how concerned the police were about a missing girl.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-57344731/murder-or-accident-how-did-shannan-gilbert-die/

Gus Colletti was waiting at the gate for the officer when he arrived.
"Did the police seem concerned about the missing -- " Moriarty asked Colletti.
"Not at all."

 

[deedee21]

I don't know how seriously they could have taken SG's frantic 911 call...they didn't search Brewer's house or vehicle until 7 months later.

And, of course, we have Gus Coletti's opinion on how concerned the police were about a missing girl.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-57344731/murder-or-accident-how-did-shannan-gilbert-die/

Gus Colletti was waiting at the gate for the officer when he arrived.
"Did the police seem concerned about the missing -- " Moriarty asked Colletti.
"Not at all."

They waited 18 months to search the last place she was seen. Look how fast they found her once they began.

 

[ps149]

I don't know how seriously they could have taken SG's frantic 911 call...they didn't search Brewer's house of vehicle until 7 months later.

Very simple-

Both JB and MP gave statements that SG ran from his house. Then GC and BB and others give statements that they saw SG running through the neighborhood away from JB's house. All those other statements confirm JB was telling the truth that SG left his house alive just as he claimed.

From a forensic view there was no indication that SG went back inside JB's house. What really doesn't make any sense to me is why MP's truck was not searched that week. After all, we do have a report by GC that SG was running from MP's truck while MP was searching for her.

MP's pursuit of SG through the streets of Oak Beach is the smoking gun as far as I'm concerned.

Even if he didn't kill her, MP's pursuit of SG is what led her to run from the safety of GC's porch (her last known opportunity for salvation).

 

[deedee21]

PS149. Are you saying MP was still at Oak Beach when the police arrived?

 

[ps149]

PS149. Are you saying MP was still at Oak Beach when the police arrived?

Well we would know the answer to that question if the surveillance tapes were secured by the police immediately.

No, what I am saying is that SG would not have ran away from GC's if MP wasn't chasing her. She would have remained with GC and his wife until the police arrived. GC's home was a safe haven for her. She only bolted away when MP arrived. Then MP took off after her despite being ORDERED by GC not to go anywhere.

“She was obviously afraid of someone wasn’t she?” asks Sandy.

“Yes,” replies Coletti. “And then I saw the car coming. And I said oh- this guy’s after her. So I came here and ran down there,” pointing to his steps and front yard. “And I stopped him right out there. And I asked him where he thought he was going. And that’s when he says, ‘oh well we had a party up at Brewer’s house and one of the young girls got upset and left and I’m tryin’ to find her to bring her back.’ Well I’ve already called the police, that’s what I told him and they’re on the way’ I said.”...

And he said ‘oh, you shouldn’t of done that. She’s gonna get in a lot of trouble.’ And I said ‘so are you if you leave’,” Coletti says.

“So you really tried to get him to stay,” I say. “And then Shannan darted off to where?” I ask.

“And then all of a sudden,” he continues, “out she came and went around that house,” he says, pointing to the house directly across from his by the gate.”...

“And he took off after her. And did u ever see Brewer?” I ask.

“No.”

“Anyone else after that? It was just him? An Asian guy,” I ask.

“Yeah. So what I did I ran back up here and I told my wife…”...

“And you never saw Michael Pak’s SUV again?” I ask.

“No,” he responds...

“Did she say she was frightened of…what did she..?” asks Sandy.

“No, she just kept yelling – help, help,” he says...

I told him we got it recorded. So he said they tell me it wasn’t working. So I say that’s right somebody wiped the camera clean.”

“Someone did wipe the camera clean?” I ask.

“Yeah. Somebody in here,” he says, using his thumb to point over his shoulder.

“Yeah, but wasn’t Hackett in charge of the camera?” Sandy asks.

“No, he was not. Charlie Serota was.”

“Charles Serota?”

“Hmm.”...

But the real thing that we keep when you come in here you punch your code in it records the time you come in.”

“And it takes a snapshot of your license plate right?” I ask.

“Yeah,” he says.

“That’s on a hard drive. And the entire hard drive is wiped clean?” I ask.

“No, no. I turned that over to the police.”

“Oh you did. So they have the hard drive?” Sandy says.

He nods.

“So ostensibly you would know…” I begin to say.

“But there was no car that came in or out of there in over a half hour,” he says.

“So she’s gotta be in this area,” says Sandy. “Here some place.”

“Yeah,” he says...

http://jjfieldnotes.blogspot.com/

I wonder if Fieldnotes gets chills when he reads his blog of what he wrote how his girlfriend Sandy got it right when she said "she's gotta be in this area. Here some place" and GC responded "Yeah".

Fieldnotes, you basically told the world back on July 24th, 2011 when you wrote what Sandy said how SG had to be in that area.

 

[fieldnotes]

Well we would know the answer to that question if the surveillance tapes were secured by the police immediately.

No, what I am saying is that SG would not have ran away from GC's if MP wasn't chasing her. She would have remained with GC and his wife until the police arrived. GC's home was a safe haven for her. She only bolted away when MP arrived. Then MP took off after her despite being ORDERED by GC not to go anywhere.



http://jjfieldnotes.blogspot.com/

I wonder if Fieldnotes gets chills when he reads his blog of what he wrote how his girlfriend Sandy got it right when she said "she's gotta be in this area. Here some place" and GC responded "Yeah".

Fieldnotes, you basically told the world back on July 24th, 2011 when you wrote what Sandy said how SG had to be in that area.

Yep good ol' Sandy nailed it. Although gotta hand it to Fluke as well. He told the world that a little earlier on LISK.

By Flukeyou on Jun 22, 2011
Go to google maps and use the adress 40 the bayou….if you pan out a little you can see the wetlands and what appears to beelines or ditches running through them. One of them runs right to the back of the DR’s home…from the road it is almost impossible to venture back there and even if you did the bodies would be submerged and you couldn’t see them.

 

[Tugela]

Do you have any links to prove she was taking drugs that night or that she ever used opiates.

Did I claim she was taking opiates? Don't think so. Perhaps you could provide a link yourself.

The link explaining the effects of cocaine OD was included because it fits her behaviour that morning. It is a plausible explanation for what might have happened.

I am not sure why that would require a link. Perhaps you could explain?

 

[deedee21]

Theres no reason for him to get the chills. Who ever put her in the marsh got the chills when she was found.

 

[deedee21]

Who deals drugs in Oak Beach?

 

[deedee21]

Yes, especially since Google and BING aerials from before May 2010 actually show a path from the brush on the OP side down into the area near the tree where SG ended up and it continued further down into the brush.

Would you be able to post the aerials shots?

 

[LINative13]

Fluke definitely called that first. He screamed about it for months. I still wonder to this day if SCPD was reading the LISK site and decided to check it out.

 

[WINDSOR]

One unit responded, advised they could not find the subject, requested additional resources, which ultimately were denied by the county as per the depts protocol. At the next tour a k-9 officer was dispatched in an attmept to track a scent that was 4-5 hours old, which also meant if SG was wandering aimlessly she would have a 4-5 hour head start. Eventually the aviation section came in and was dispatched. They flew around and saw nothing. 5-6 hours later. The officer wrote a field report. This is information paraphrased from the Schwarz Report which is a forum for LE.

Redbird, this is awesome info. Thank you. It appears that LE did a reasonable job in response. (Kudo's for the responding officer for requesting additional resources)

This info supports my theory, that nobody saw SG in the marsh (because she was not in the marsh) Aviation section (helicopter?) flew over the marsh the same day and did not see her body or any of her clothing.

Remember from an aviation point of view it was a clear warn day, when they were looking for SG.

MOO