My sense was he had said that to her often. I think there is a huge and dangerous myth out there that suicide is impulsive. Rarely.
Unless IMO there is psychosis it is rarely impulsive.
It is an agonizing battle not to kill oneself. There is a difference and its huge. People respond generally to feeling manipulated when ones they care about are reaching out.
It can be manipulative (more often female) but often it is asking for help in terms of not doing it.
It's scary for a person to want to be dead. Often feeling as if things get worse one can just kill themselves often and for years can provide relief and in and of itself be its own support system- since often that is all they have - cause folks - especially America and its lack of understanding that mental illness is no different than cancer.
Respectfully, I have heard it often here. The notion that people are "using " the insanity defense. If we changed the name of it to "suffering from a medical issue that impacts feeling thinking and behaviors" a lot more people (money) would be in mental health settings as opposed to a cage in prison for being sick.
IMO, there is this 1950's (asylum stuff) notion in America that embraces this rigid knows right and wrong and therefore if that is present mental illness had nothing to do with anything. That is from the 50's.
We know much more about mental illness yet those old beliefs persist. Most mentally ill people (except psychotic/delusional) know what they are doing is wrong- that does not IMO translate to an ability (because of being mentally ill) not do "it".
Until IMO our society totally views mental illness no different than diabetes, or whatever, the mentally ill , who , most of the time, can tell between right and wrong, will continue to kill each other.
The notion of "evil" is just too simple. IMO it is far more complicated than that! It kinda gets society off the hook.
At the moment I can't recall a mass shooter who was not mentally ill. Impulse control issues are highly related to mental illness.
Holmes, Austin, Elliot, Omar,Lanza, Columbine, Cascade mall,( I think he just killed himself) Lauderdale Airport, planned parenthood, congresswoman guy were all mentally ill.
If one asked Holmes 8 months earlier if it is "correct or right" to go kill XX of people he would say no .
Any of the abovementioned would answer the question the same, IMO, at an earlier point in their lives
Bundy might say yes!
The fort Lauderdale guy is a terrorist despite the fact that he goes in to the FBI and says he is being controlled by the CIA
Holmes was just evil evil until a year later his book to his doctor was revealed.
Lanza was just evil until a year later we found out he could not leave his room and was communicating with his mother via email in the same home.
Austin was just evil evil evil and then when his blood came back that quieted down.
Elliot was just evil evil evil and then his writings came out and that quieted down.
Despite Omar's wife 36 hours after stated he was bipolar he is still evil evil evil.
The Columbine kids were evil evil evil for years until their writings were seriously studied
The planned parenthood guy was evil evil evil until the world saw him in court talking to his sneakers.
Serial killers might fall more into evil.
Would anyone tell someone with cancer:
Just pull yourself out of it
Everyone has bad days
Etc etc
If you notice several times he clearly outlined that he felt unheard. So did Elliot. Elliots family IMO were more aware because of his Aspergers, money and seemed to try to get him help - but they still , at the end , well.............................
Above is omo
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