Police release sketch of sex offender near Portland school

[BeanE]

Do you know how far SE Hawthorne Bridge is to Skyline Elementary? This is "Ned Kelley's" last address (homeless) http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/OR17444/Ned-Lyle-Kelley.html

Could Terri possibly handed Kyron over to homeless guys?

Personally, I think that's unlikely, Myingan, because I can't think of any reason she'd do that that makes sense to me.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Which I don't assume - see my last post.

In the Peterson case, the defense tried for months to place the blame on unknown homeless people and it never made any sense and they had no evidence. The homeless are an easy target because no one wants them around and people feel threatened, but this predator guy had a car and probably isn't homeless, so I really don't see the connection. :twocents:



I don't really use Occam's Razor too much. Often things are much more confusing and mysterious than we think, and in Kyron's case there might have been other accomplices - in fact, Terri probably tried to pull several people into her plotting and therefore, TH alone is not the end of the story for me.

However, unless someone can place this particular guy and his vehicle at Skyline Elementary on the day Kyron disappeared, I don't really see a connection.

I am inclined to agree wit your whole post. My eyes are still towards Terri.

abbie

 

[AbbieNormal]

Personally, I think that's unlikely, Myingan, because I can't think of any reason she'd do that that makes sense to me.

This is just a guess, but your run of the mill homeless person probably has enough on his/her plate keeping themselves fed and/ or high/drunk etc and keeping a warm/ cool roof over their head. Why in the world would they want a kidnapped, much sought after by LE, child to care for too?

Now a perv that's homeless might be a different story.

But I still vote "no" on homeless. I think its a real "stretch". Suspecting Terri is NO "stretch" IMO. She fits. JMO.

abbie

 

[Michael25]

Good old Hosford Middle School. Some great and not so great memories there.

Anyway, this kind of stuff highlights how vulnerable school grounds can be to predators.

 

[pufnstuf]

I don't really use Occam's Razor too much.

I think that some people who attempt to apply Ockham's Razor to criminal cases don't fully grasp what it is that Sir Ockham was saying. His theory certainly does not state that the simplest explanation is the correct one.

He said, "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem." This translates in English to "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity."

The catch there? "BEYOND NECESSITY."

Or in other words:

"When multiple competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities."

The catch there? "When multiple competing hypotheses are equal in other respects."

To say that Ockham was stating "The simplest explanation is the correct one" is to completely misunderstand what Sir Ockham postulated, and, in my opinion, is Ockham Fail.

All my opinion.

 

[just]

Dear Mr Icky Pervy: Please put little pervy back inside. Portland has strict rules on any substandard plumbing.

No kidding. Pervs like this is why I get up at 6:30 in the morning to drive my 14 y/o to high school which is only 4 blocks away. Please can we not simply lock them up and throw away the key? Really. I mean this crime, if he is caught, will probably get him a misdeanor, right? Probation, or 'sex therapy' or whatever. Just lock em up, execute them or whatever you need to do to protect our children. UGH!

 

[LMax]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...le-school-exposer/SUv2sJ4cskq6fUtcEexFCg.cspx
Just after 12 p.m. Tuesday authorities arrested a 39-year-old man suspected of masturbating in front of middle school girls, Portland Police said.

 

[ami]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...le-school-exposer/SUv2sJ4cskq6fUtcEexFCg.cspx
Just after 12 p.m. Tuesday authorities arrested a 39-year-old man suspected of masturbating in front of middle school girls, Portland Police said.

Huh, that's the guy from the sketch? Remarkable, just a bit off on the hair (looks curly rather than straight/greasy) and the eyebrows.

 

[Missizzy]

I think it's extremely important to get the word out that someone has been totally cleared of wrong-doing. Because we are a forum, we do not have to assume innocence. However, I still think that we need to celebrate when justice is done and an innocent man is cleared. My hope is that Mr. Prieto-Enriquez can achieve some level of solace in the fact that a jury unanimously voted to clear him and that witnesses could not be certain at all that he was the correct man. I'm also pleased that the Oregonian carried the story of his vindication on the front page.

The issue, folks, is that there is a very sick man still out there. The heat has been off for months. It's time to turn it back on and find the right guy.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/jury_clears_southeast_portland.html

Jury clears Southeast Portland man who was accused of repeatedly exposing himself near schools

"A 39-year-old Southeast Portland man who was accused of exposing himself to schoolgirls — including a group of Hosford Middle School students as they walked to school this fall — has been cleared of all the charges against him.

Pedro Prieto-Enriquez had been charged with parking his 1998 white BMW near Hosford Middle School in Southeast Portland on Sept. 27 and masturbating in view of about a half dozen girls walking to school. He also was charged with exposing himself to a 17-year-old near Madison High School in Southeast Portland on Oct. 1, and a woman on a bicycle near Concordia University in Northeast Portland on Oct. 3...."

more at link

My deepest apologies, Mr. Prieto-Enriquez. I want to do my part in clearing your name.

 

[Dee10]

I would love to celebrate someone innocence but, I cannot reach that far. Very, sorry but due to his past (multiple) history of similar charges dating back to 1998. Sorry, I am more on the line he had a good lawyer that got him off on a technicality...which if true, is too bad for future victims. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you and say "no, I am sorry this guy has been let off, but more importantly why is he one the streets"? Wondering what else he has been let OFF on. Anyway this guy has "nothing" whatsoever to do with Ky reading the history.

 

[cluciano63]

The jury could not convict him based on what they were allowed to hear...does not really mean he was not the one.

 

[Missizzy]

I have to have faith in our justice system. I strongly believe that the jury heard more than we did. They also had the advantage of watching Mr. Prieto-Enriquez in court. I did not.

Because I have dealt with the issue of my children being accused of "false accusations" for 12 years, I feel that I am bound to staunchly uphold what juries decide. If there is not enough evidence, there's simply not enough evidence. The state can certainly appeal the decision if there is more to be revealed.

Time will tell. We cannot lock up men and women on suspicions, after the evidence has been carefully dissected. JMO

 

[Missizzy]

Dee10 and cluciano63--I have to beg ignorance here. I live in Oregon but have been on hiatus for almost a month. Maybe I'm missing something. Can you provide a link to this man's prior convictions. I couldn't find them. Did either of you attend the trial? I'm curious as to how you are certain that he "got off".

Thanks so much.

 

[sorrell skye]

Dear Hosford families,

This morning, five of our female students and a staff member (three separate sightings) saw a man driving a white sedan lurking around school grounds on SE 26th Ave, SE Grant St. and SE 28th Pl. All describe him as being in his early 20’s to 40’s, dark skinned, possibly Hispanic. The first set of students describe him being sexually inappropriate as they walked by his car which was parked on 26th Ave. As they hurried past, he started his car and pulled along side them making inaudible remarks. Thankfully, they were able to run away and immediately report the incident to the school.

We immediately called the police and stepped up the adult presence around the school. A staff member reported seeing the same vehicle on 28th Pl. and Grant St. Once police arrived another female student came forward to describe seeing the same man in his vehicle trying to get her attention with inaudible remarks. Portland Police are currently investigating the incident and planning to have a presence before and after school.

This serves as a good reminder to reinforce our efforts to keep all students safe from “stranger danger.” Everyone can help in this effort by keeping an eye out for suspicious persons near our schools and in our neighborhoods.

Parents and students may also want to take this time to review their safety plan, including these reminders for students:

• Always try to walk with others.

• Walk away from a stranger no matter what the stranger says to you.

• If someone keeps following you, SCREAM LOUDLY AND RUN AWAY.

• Try to get the license plate number if possible.

If you see people around you participating in any activity that seems dangerous, suspicious or simply out of the ordinary, please do not hesitate to call 911 and contact the school office.

Sincerely,

Portland Public Schools

BBM

All describe him as being in his early 20’s to 40’s...


That's quite an age range described by the witnesses - early 20's to 40's.

 

[gwenabob]

BBM

All describe him as being in his early 20’s to 40’s...


That's quite an age range described by the witnesses - early 20's to 40's.

They were middle school girls and a 17 year old. Anybody over 25 is "old" to them.

 

[Dee10]

I would love to celebrate someone innocence but, I cannot reach that far. Very, sorry but due to his past (multiple) history of similar charges dating back to 1998. Sorry, I am more on the line he had a good lawyer that got him off on a technicality...which if true, is too bad for future victims. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you and say "no, I am sorry this guy has been let off, but more importantly why is he one the streets"? Wondering what else he has been let OFF on. Anyway this guy has "nothing" whatsoever to do with Ky reading the history.

Sorry, I stand corrected at this point on believing he had a back history ~ my mistake in reading.

 

[Pensfan]

Although few exhibitionist move on to more serious sexual crimes, some of them will. Just how many times do pervs need to be arrested before they are forced into mandatory treatment of paraphilias which they share with CHILDREN. Daily and prolonged treatment sessions with electroshock aversion would deter pervs' inappropriate behaviors.

 

[sorrell skye]

They were middle school girls and a 17 year old. Anybody over 25 is "old" to them.

LOL - without a doubt Gwen!

However, one of the witnesses is described as a staff member:

This morning, five of our female students and a staff member (three separate sightings) saw a man driving a white sedan lurking around school grounds on SE 26th Ave, SE Grant St. and SE 28th Pl. All describe him as being in his early 20’s to 40’s, dark skinned, possibly Hispanic.

I can see how a teenager might not be able to accurately guess someone's age, but a staff member (i.e. not a teenager) should have been able to assess within a range that more or less matched the age of the offender. The school notification stated that "all the witnesses described him as being in his early 20's to 40's".

That's an age range of 20 years - and IMO, is not a reliable eye witness account.

And then there's this:

But defense attorney Edward LeClaire argued that most of the victims didn’t identify his client as the man in the car, and the two who did weren't reliable witnesses. One witness identified another man in a photo line-up.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/jury_clears_southeast_portland.html

Based on the above information, it seems the witnesses weren't really certain about the identity of the offender.

 

[mmmagique]

Well see, that's wrong right there. There's no way you can have two witnesses, let alone a bunch, that all agree on any one thing. I think LE just combined all their statements and combined all the ages they heard.

 

[sorrell skye]

Well see, that's wrong right there. There's no way you can have two witnesses, let alone a bunch, that all agree on any one thing. I think LE just combined all their statements and combined all the ages they heard.

I agree MM, if that is indeed what occurred.

There's still this, though:

But defense attorney Edward LeClaire argued that most of the victims didn’t identify his client as the man in the car, and the two who did weren't reliable witnesses. One witness identified another man in a photo line-up.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/jury_clears_southeast_portland.html

It appears the defendant was acquitted because the witnesses were unable to correctly ID him as the offender, based on the above information.

ETA: There is also the matter of if there are 6 witnesses providing differing accounts, whose account is to be believed? 6 witnesses, providing an age range from early 20's to 40's. 6 witnesses, some of whom were unable to ID the defendant, and one of whom IDed another person altogether.

I'm not surprised the defendant was acquitted, based on the witness accounts.

I just hope that he was truly, factually innocent of the crimes for which he was charged. Eye witness testimony is notorious for being unreliable.

I can only hope that justice was served in this particular case.