Police say parents are not answering vital questions #2

[stephen40]

OMG ,can you imagine if your baby had actually been abducted and you didn't know what was happening to her ? Is she being abused ,molested ,fed? Is she cold or scared?
I know there's no "normal" 2 months after a child dies,but I think not knowing what was happening to a defenseless baby ,might be even worse.JMO.

MissJames, It would be the worst nightmare for me and my spouse. There would be nothing but constant worry.

 

[stephen40]

So DB is the type of drinker that just walks off and goes to bed..now we are getting a picture. She was lying through her teeth when she said she probably checked on her. She probably did not.

Now..here is the problem. Jeremy accepts a job that evening for the first time. When he leaves @ 5:20pm, he knows that DB is going to party as she comes home with a box of wine. This may or may not have been her drink of choice. I have known alcoholics that supplement their serious drinking days with wine on the off days.

Jeremy leaves for work and is expected home @ 10:30PM. He doesn't show up, doesn't call DB and works overtime (deja vu folks, I'm a Haleigh Cummings survivor) on the one night that he had ever worked. Why didn't JI come home or did he? He had to take a lunch bread some time during the ten hour shift. He had already worked a regular job that day. He was only home for two hours out of the past 21 hours.

So we have a father who worked all day and night and through the morning = his alibi
and a mother who didn't work all day but drank herself into oblivion and fell asleep = her alibi.

For those of us who live in the Logic Zone, this is a very odd coincidence that on the one night these two do this, a stranger enters in to steal a baby. Very unlikely, as far as I am concerned and some others may agree that there isn't much room for coincidences in a crime.

Reading all this today really put things in place for me. mo

 

[deoneta]

Good point, as usual Donjeta! No, she was referring to JI.

BTW, did you hear her say "The boys would not know anything"? Whoah....

How in the world would she know that they wouldn't?She was passed out from drinking...as she just said.

A natural thought process would be "I wonder if they boys know something". She never states that she ever asked them about Lisa. That is the first thing I would do. In retelling and visualizing, you would certainly include that in the interview. In all these interviews, she uses the word "Her" and so does JI. That has always bugged me.

BBM. I don't consider statement analysis an infallible science or proof of anything, but I think it has some merit like body language analysis, and I think a statement analyst would say that is distancing language. I get that feel from it anyway, and it bothers me, too. All MOO

 

[Dr. Know?]

I can't be confident in whether or not that we know when was the last time Lisa was seen due to the fact that LE hasn't said a thing for quite a while and the parents haven't for even longer. There's been the arrest of Jersey. the search warrant and the 17 hours, there's been only what we hear or read about from MSM and the public statements by locals or those close like MW. So to say LE hasn't changed the last timeline or altered their last statements with everything that has happened since their last press conference would be untrue. They aren't telling anyone anything much anymore. Gah, so much like Haleigh's case. I don't want it to be like Haleigh's is now. Sad when they can't find them or charge their perp(s).

 

[hambirg]

I honestly believe this is coming down to Jersey's word against DB. . .and she's not talking.

ETA_he is spilling what he knows to LE, but they need to talk to DB, without JI present to see if there is any truth to it. I think it's likely that Jersey was there that night. My theory puts DB and Jersey together as the two perps. Now it's what he is telling vs what she is not. LE needs to know if Jersey is spinning lies and acted alone, or if what he is telling is what really happened. I think he is singing like a canary. He has nothing to lose and may only know part of the truth. All MOO!

 

[joyless]

I just don't understand how these people...babies, children etc just disappear. It just seems like too many perpetrators are getting away with "it". Baby Lisa didn't vanish on her own. I can't believe someone is getting away with this crime. Infuriating. Frustrating. MOO

 

[shaye]

Originally put this in the wrong thread so moved it here...sorry everyone!

What is so wrong w/parent's being interrogated by police? it happens all the time, their child goes missing, these parents have the most information on the child and yes, in most cases are they are number 1 suspects or shall I say Persons Of Interest until proven otherwise. IF this was a true abduction in Lisa's case then why would these parents not do EVERYTHING possible to help LE? Yes, it may be horrific but if it were me I would tell them do whatever it is you gotta do to move past me then GO FIND MY BABY!! This is all crazy, if these people wanted their precious baby found they would do anything and everything they had to do to get her back. Look what Mark Klass, Ed Smart and many others have gone thru to clear themselves so the real culprit can be caught!!

Oh and lets not forget the latest Victim of losing his Baby Boy, Solomon Metalwala, he has an attorney by the way.....that poor man has been cooperating since day one. He's also out there searching and handing out flyers or whatever he can do for his little boy! He's certainly not hiding behind his attorney!! Debra Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have done nothing to help bring sweet little Lisa home, NOTHING! They make a rare appearance on National TV which pays quite nicely for photo's from what we've seen in the past and won't even sit down w/the very people who are busting their humps to find this child. It's DISGUSTING and tells me all I need to know about these people!! They don't want Baby Lisa found anymore than that so called "Mother" in Florida. Sickening!!

JMO of course!

 

[Sabot]

I don't see it like that. She's never affirmative because the checking on the boys/BL was a routine event. If you are used to doing the same thing every single day and then you can't remember exactly if you did that, the normal inference is you did it since you always did it.

I was the exact same way, it was a routine thing to check on the kid before I went to bed. Actually what we used to do is close her door while we were awake (made her sleep better) and then open it a crack before going to bed, to additionally hear for anything. That exercise became such a routine that I wouldn't even think about doing it. Now, if my memory the night before was inhibited in some way (like being intoxicated), my normal assumption would be that I did it, because it's what I always did.

Same thing could be happening here. She's not totally sure that she did it so she says 'I just don't know'. The only scenario where I could see where she wouldn't want to be honest about when she 'saw' BL would be if BL died when she was sitting outside (like SIDS) and when she went inside saw BL was dead and then had to do something about it. Only problem with that scenario is the dogs for sure would of hit all over the crib.

She could of easily said affirmatively that she checked on BL, despite not remembering it. She chose to actually say she didn't remember, because maybe she truly doesn't remember. That should count for something.

This makes perfect sense to me. And Debbie told the truth as she remembered it because she thought it was important. She doesn't know for certain exactly when the baby was taken, and with confusion and shock it could have been earlier. Memory can play tricks on you in such situations, especially in the immediate aftermath of the horror of it all.
She told the truth and got damned for it.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't think it's an either or situation though. This interview took place on the 17th, a full week for DB to fully form her answers if that was her intention. It didn't happen on the 5th or 6th. She wasn't sure about what she did before she went to bed. She didn't have to say 'probably went to bed', she could of said 'went to bed'. She purposely is indecisive. I've watched enough cases by now to know that usually (not always) the perp/suspect is affirmative in certain circumstances when something was done wrong.

She could be responsible. But I don't think her being indecisive about if she checked in BL proves it. I'd be more suspect if she said she was drunk but she knew for sure that she checked on her. If you really did something wrong, you go into hardcore CYA mode. That means definitive times. That means details. You make up a story that she got kidnapped after a certain time, you tell everyone you saw your baby right before that time, to establish she was there.

I find it strange that she remembers inviting the boys in to sleep with her. Have we forgotten about the kitty? Now she claims to have gone to bed a 10:30pm, invited the boys to sleep with her. Jeremy was expected home @ 10:30 but didn't make it. What reason would she have to ask the boys to sleep in the bed with her?

Funny how she remembers the boys and having them come in but can't recall anything concerning Lisa. She has selective memory. I encourage everyone to watch the videos all put together in a package and her lies are obvious. DB is not being truthful at all.

These boys had school and she's playing around inviting them into her and Jeremy's bed? Come on now. The boys were left to wonder around inside the house the entire time she was visiting with Samantha and whoever? . She certainly doesn't/didn't care about getting the boys ready for bed at a decent hour on a school night.

Something was going on there and it wasn't a stranger stealing Lisa.

 

[Whisperer]

The boys sleeping with her could have been an out of the ordinary thing, didn't happen all the time, so you tend to remember it. Checking the door/checking BL would be something you did every night.

I certainly hope not but it is strange that she invites an 8/9 yr old, a 6 yr old and a kitten to sleep with her on the rare night that Jeremy was at work. He was due home @10:30pm. Where was he supposed to sleep?

My thoughts:

She invited her biological child and not Jeremy's. She needed comfort and she knew that JI wasn't coming home....how did she know he wasn't on his way? There was no concern for Lisa at this point, as she has no recall of looking at her before sleeping. She suggests she sought comfort with the "Boys". Lisa was gone by then, imo.

DB plays around with the truth way too much. She speaks in vague terms so not to get cornered. She is slick....or she thinks she is.

 

[Whisperer]

Does anyone have the location of the Starbucks where JI was working that night? It was mentioned that it was about 10 minutes from the house. That would be an important piece of information. Where does he normally work during the day?

 

[~n/t~]

Originally put this in the wrong thread so moved it here...sorry everyone!

What is so wrong w/parent's being interrogated by police? it happens all the time, their child goes missing, these parents have the most information on the child and yes, in most cases are they are number 1 suspects or shall I say Persons Of Interest until proven otherwise. IF this was a true abduction in Lisa's case then why would these parents not do EVERYTHING possible to help LE? Yes, it may be horrific but if it were me I would tell them do whatever it is you gotta do to move past me then GO FIND MY BABY!! This is all crazy, if these people wanted their precious baby found they would do anything and everything they had to do to get her back. Look what Mark Klass, Ed Smart and many others have gone thru to clear themselves so the real culprit can be caught!!

Oh and lets not forget the latest Victim of losing his Baby Boy, Solomon Metalwala, he has an attorney by the way.....that poor man has been cooperating since day one. He's also out there searching and handing out flyers or whatever he can do for his little boy! He's certainly not hiding behind his attorney!! Debra Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have done nothing to help bring sweet little Lisa home, NOTHING! They make a rare appearance on National TV which pays quite nicely for photo's from what we've seen in the past and won't even sit down w/the very people who are busting their humps to find this child. It's DISGUSTING and tells me all I need to know about these people!! They don't want Baby Lisa found anymore than that so called "Mother" in Florida. Sickening!!

JMO of course!

FWIW...SM has a divorce attorney and not a defense attorney because of the bitter divorce/custody battle in that case.

DB was accused of murdering her baby and LE wanted a confession. She had every right to lawyer up. I would too in her situation. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. They may be cooperating with LE through their attorney. Perhaps not the way LE would want them to but it is what it is.

 

[Whisperer]

Here's the video from FOX's interview on Oct 17th where DB says "ask anyone who knows me" when she drinks she just goes to bed when she's had enough and sometimes doesn't say goodnight. Good interview. @2:00 but watch the whole thing. The first video at link.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/1...hey-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/#more-77721

This is video of Jeremy and DB. There are 5 or 6 clips of them and the tapes are compared for truthfulness. Interesting to say the least. You can watch and listen to them...right out of the "horse's mouth".

 

[Whisperer]

FWIW...SM has a divorce attorney and not a defense attorney because of the bitter divorce/custody battle in that case.

DB was accused of murdering her baby and LE wanted a confession. She had every right to lawyer up. I would too in her situation. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. They may be cooperating with LE through their attorney. Perhaps not the way LE would want them to but it is what it is.

I get it. They have a constitutional right to retain a lawyer. Hiring a high priced international Criminal Defense attorney and a local high profile one is a little over the top if they are innocent.

Truth be told they have two slick attorneys at the present time. They got rid of one...and may have the law professor on hold also. I don't know, but I think this is taking "Their Rights" to a whole new level.

 

[~n/t~]

I just don't see dad standing by her if she killed their baby and that's why I believe she had nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance. Someone wanted to hurt this family by taking their only baby girl and the only child they had together.

The question is who and why?

 

[~n/t~]

I get it. They have a constitutional right to retain a lawyer. Hiring a high priced international Criminal Defense attorney and a local high profile one is a little over the top if they are innocent.

Truth be told they have two slick attorneys at the present time. They got rid of one...and may have the law professor on hold also. I don't know, but I think this is taking "my rights" to a whole new level.

It is my understanding that the "benefactor" is the one who hired the attorney (s). I'm not sure they had a choice on who the attorney would be or not.

 

[Whisperer]

On Monday, Oct 3rd, Jeremy Irwin left for work about 6:00am. He worked a full day and said he arrived home @ 3:00appr. He left for work again and planned to work till 10:30pm but decided to work longer and left Starbucks at 3:30am. This is about a 21 hr day of which he is alibied for 18 1/2 hours. I wonder when he took his breaks to eat, etc.

Imagine that...He decided to stay on the job after 10:30. At 10:30 Lisa invited her boy/s to sleep with her, totally having no kge of looking and checking her precious baby.

What are the chances of all the stars lining up for this stranger to come in and steal a ten month old? What are the odds? Of all the houses in KC, a stranger decides to go to this house on the only night the father is not there and takes an infant. This doesn't work for me...not even a little bit.

 

[Whisperer]

It is my understanding that the "benefactor" is the one who hired the attorney (s). I'm not sure they had a choice on who the attorney would be or not.

Why is this benefactor supporting these parents? What made her choose them? There are many cases that could use some help with search teams and so forth...pretty obvious JI and DB aren't interested in employing any.

There has to be a connection with the benefactor and one of the parents.

 

[Whisperer]

I just don't see dad standing by her if she killed their baby and that's why I believe she had nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance. Someone wanted to hurt this family by taking their only baby girl and the only child they had together.

The question is who and why?

I know, I understand. You are thinking logically. Logic and crimes don't usually go together. People do things like this out of rage. No one likes to think of a mother/father killing their child. It just doesn't work for many people. When you've been around this stuff, you get to see and hear of the most heinous crimes imaginable.

If you can link me up with some cases that this scenario that you are referring to that actually happened...involving a child under one year of age, I would like to read about it.

It appears you may have missed the Haleigh Cummings case where the father married the POI within a month of the disappearance. Who would believe a father would marry the girl who is the main suspect/key in his daughter's disappearance. People are strange.

Quite frequently a tragedy like this splits up even the most loving couples. One may blame the other and just can't deal with their own feelings. That is another reason why this case baffles people. JI should be furious with DB for drinking/passing out and his daughter getting abducted. Surely, he would be in a position to blame her. Instead he supports her. The reasoning is askew. It is not normal. IMO, when this occurs, the supporter has an agenda for standing by the person. It could be he is hiding something or it could be he is covering up for someone or it could be he is the perp.

 

[Whisperer]

I just don't see dad standing by her if she killed their baby and that's why I believe she had nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance. Someone wanted to hurt this family by taking their only baby girl and the only child they had together.

The question is who and why?

The only suspect that would have a grudge like that would be a person such as DB's husband. I assume he is sane. If he is a raving psychotic, and madly in love with his wife, then he should be considered. LE has gone over 900 leads and still want to talk with JI and DB separately. That says an awful lot.

LE has not pleaded for the public to help them. They are not out there warning the public. They would if they thought a maniac was on the loose. This is not the case.