Police say parents are not answering vital questions #2

[Sigh Sister]

SBM
What? The family and friends are doing searches. What was this past Saturday? What was the NE 52nd and Randolph? Where else around here is there to search that hasn't already been searched? Most places multiple times already. Searches take coordination of people and hopefully LE and permission of the property owners. A lot of people dont want strangers wandering all over their property due to liability and/or personal issues. I don't want just anybody coming through my property, I know. No way. LE going through was just fine. Everybody else can stay off. LE has searched and searched all over around here. Where else to go that people and businesses are going to allow?

I saw Michele Parker's ( missing mom in FL) mother interviewed the other day, and it broke my heart. She said she actually crawled into dumpsters looking for her daughter. Her efforts/ response to her missing, adult daughter compared to DB/JI's is striking. I'm not saying I think they should be crawling in dumpsters at this point, but I don't think they ever participated in any search, did they?

 

[In da Middle]

I saw Michele Parker's ( missing mom in FL) mother interviewed the other day, and it broke my heart. She said she actually crawled into dumpsters looking for her daughter. Her efforts/ response to her missing, adult daughter compared to DB/JI's is striking. I'm not saying I think they should be crawling in dumpsters at this point, but I don't think they ever participated in any search, did they?

I cant answer that specific question other than the some members of the search parties have been at the house with the family before and after the searches. My response was to the statement of asking why family and friends are not doing any searching when they in fact are.

 

[In da Middle]

Obviously, permission to search private property would have to be obtained prior to searching there. Regarding the BBM, are you saying there is nowhere in the city that has not been searched? I don't mean just within a mile or two of the family's home. If someone other than the mother is responsible, I think any "dumping" would have been farther away than that.

I'm talking woods, bodies of water, etc., that haven't been previously (or thoroughly) searched. Some people/businesses might not agree to searches on their properties, but some may. Sure can't hurt to try, IMO. I'm also thinking professional SAR or HRD teams. What I'm struck by and what I was referring to in my previous post is the seeming complacency of the parents in keeping Lisa front and center.

Woods and bodies of water are no place for inexperienced search parties to search. Professional SAR and HRD teams HAVE been here many times locally. We even have much video of it.

You also have to have a place in mind to logically search. Where would you start if you are not a professional search team with no info of which direction to go. This is a great big world here. Where? I agree that it could be much farther away if the family is not involved, but where would you ( not you personally) even begin to start? I am sure if you have a valid idea, they would be glad to go.

 

[Sherbie]

Woods and bodies of water are no place for inexperienced search parties to search. Professional SAR and HRD teams HAVE been here many times locally. We even have much video of it.

You also have to have a place in mind to logically search. Where would you start if you are not a professional search team with no info of which direction to go. This is a great big world here. Where? I agree that it could be much farther away if the family is not involved, but where would you ( not you personally) even begin to start? I am sure if you have a valid idea, they would be glad to go.

Yes, professional organized search teams only, like I mentioned. I'm certainly not advocating that the family should wonder willy nilly all over the place (although I might be desperate enough to do so if I were in their shoes).

Since I do not live in the area, I obviously have no earthly idea where anyone could search. But if the wealthy benefactress wants to put her money where her mouth(piece) is, I'm sure someone in the immediate area or professionals who can assess the terrain and geography might have some valid ideas for searches. I know it's not cost effective or as likely to turn up anything as searching based on a specific lead, but it's something.

 

[Karmaa]

You were talking about investigation methods, not punishments.

The thing is, they have to investigate before they can make darned sure that someone is guilty. They are not psychic and can't tell the result of the investigation before they've actually investigated.

So how are they to know if interrogations, polygraphs and even lies or misleading are fine if we suppose it's only fine with guilty people?

That was a comparison. Let me explain my PERSONAL feelings again...

-LE uses techniques that are based on the idea that the people they are talking to are guilty.

-I personally don't CARE if they use every dirty trick on guilty people.

-I care so little about anything about guilty people, that I want them punished harshly.

-LE should not need to extract a confession to determine guilt. That is just a cherry on the top. There needs to be evidence before they interrogate.

-LE has the right to TRY to interrogate anyone connected to the case.

-If it were me, and I was innocent, I would NOT allow myself to be interrogated.

(and please note that this post is not just a response to your last post - it incorporates previous posts as well, as most conversations do. Thanks!)

 

[Karmaa]

Good question. WE don't know. They may very well be totally cooperating now or not. Nobody has stated anything on this publicly for weeks either way other than LE simply stating that NOBODY has been cleared. They mentioned nothing, to my knowledge, in the last statement about cooperation at all.

Well, as quick as LE was to publicly declare the family as non-cooperative in the beginning (when the family said they never stopped cooperating), I can't imagine that Steve Young would not be out there announcing it if they really did stop.

The last word we have from LE is that they "wont say that the family is not cooperating" [paraphrased].

 

[Minette]

Woods and bodies of water are no place for inexperienced search parties to search. Professional SAR and HRD teams HAVE been here many times locally. We even have much video of it.

You also have to have a place in mind to logically search. Where would you start if you are not a professional search team with no info of which direction to go. This is a great big world here. Where? I agree that it could be much farther away if the family is not involved, but where would you ( not you personally) even begin to start? I am sure if you have a valid idea, they would be glad to go.

I think volunteer/community searches are very helpful when you have for example a lost child, or an adult with dementia who has wandered away. But when you are talking about a 10 month old baby who disappeared from her home, there are two possibilities: either 1) she was kidnapped, in which case the best thing to do is make the public aware so they can report any tips to LE, or 2) she was killed and her body dumped, in which case you are talking about looking for a body, which is best done by SAR-trained teams and LE.

I agree that these parents could possibly do more in scenario 1, but in scenario 2, which seems to be the one most people here believe, would you really want the parents out there searching for Lisa's body?

If they are guilty, they are not going to go anywhere near where they dumped the body and if they did stumble across it any forensics are potentially compromised. If they are innocent, why on earth would you want to subject them to that??

I am not 'making excuses' for the parents, but I really do not understand the logic that they should be out searching woods and dumpsters themselves for Lisa's remains.

 

[Sherbie]

I guess I need to make clear that I never said the family themselves or any non-professional people should be out searching. I said I would like to see the family or benefactress organize some searches by professional SAR/HRD teams. Two very different concepts!

 

[Minette]

Thanks, Sherbie, that does make things clearer. Just want to add that I wasn't directing my comments at any person in particular! I posted the other day that LE has the ability to call in Texas Equusearch with or without the parents' consent, so that could happen no matter what. I can't remember which day it was, but there was a person from NCMEC advising at least one of the searches. So those professionals have been out there, plus local LE and the FBI, not to mention the National Guard.

It does give me a bit of an uneasy twinge that the parents are no longer out there making pleas for Lisa's return, but I noticed that nobody was really doing that after the news of the cadaver dog hit was released.

 

[Karmaa]

Looks to me like the parents' defintion of cooperation is having questions presented to them through their attorneys. That way, they can get their answers straight, weighing out carefully, at their leisure, anything that might arise to refute their statements, and have a heads up on what direction LE is going, all without leaving the comfort of their home or facing the people who are working 24/7 to find their missing baby. All MOO

If the questions are related to finding Lisa, then what's the problem? Why shouldn't they be as stress-free as possible so they can try real hard to remember stuff, and answer slowly? I don't understand why there is any reason to ask questions that are related to finding the baby, in separate interview rooms at the station.

The only reason I can see to put them in separate rooms is to try and extract a confession. I would not allow myself to be subjected that whether I was guilty or innocent, and it would NOT mean I was not trying to find my baby.

 

[Donjeta]

Truthful answers shouldn't be so hard to come up with imo.

 

[Minette]

Karmaa, I just wanted to tell you that I understand and appreciate exactly where you are coming from, and that is NOT from a place of defending baby-killing parents. I, too, believe that the rights afforded to us under the Constitution and under our legal system are there for good reason and taking taking advantage of them does not automatically mean you are guilty.

Earlier on in the case I saw people posting that the parents should be 'forced' to talk, and that they should be deprived of food, water, and sleep until they told LE what they wanted to know. Fortunately, we don't live in a country in which those practices are legal. In some countries, women can be stoned to death for adultery or forced to marry their rapist or face imprisonment. Those practices are legal in those countries. I understand the rage and sadness over a missing child, but resorting to barbaric 'legal' practices does not serve justice in any way, shape or form.

All IMO, of course.

 

[Karmaa]

Truthful answers shouldn't be so hard to come up with imo.

I disagree. Truthful answers MAY require thinking and remembering. If someone were asked "do you remember a red-haired woman", the subject might have better recall if they have time to think... have I seen her? Where? When? Where did I go the week before Lisa was kidnapped? Grocery store? Was there a red haired woman there? And so on.

If I had to think of something like that, I would do much better at home, lying on my sofa and thinking about it, than being in a harshly lit room with LE pelting questions at me.

 

[cherilewis]

I only response lately to all of the Mom's that have missing children is - YOU NEED TO TALK TO LE. My message is Terri, Lena, DB and Julia is that your silence, all of you, speaks of the fact that you have something to hide. If you had nothing to hide you would be shouting from the highest rooftop to have everyone help find your child - NOT HIDING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. Tell us some details so we can help find these precious children, unless you have something to hide.

MOO

 

[stephen40]

That was a comparison. Let me explain my PERSONAL feelings again...

-LE uses techniques that are based on the idea that the people they are talking to are guilty.

-I personally don't CARE if they use every dirty trick on guilty people.

-I care so little about anything about guilty people, that I want them punished harshly.

-LE should not need to extract a confession to determine guilt. That is just a cherry on the top. There needs to be evidence before they interrogate.

-LE has the right to TRY to interrogate anyone connected to the case.

-If it were me, and I was innocent, I would NOT allow myself to be interrogated.

(and please note that this post is not just a response to your last post - it incorporates previous posts as well, as most conversations do. Thanks!)

When a loved one of a missing person resist LE interrogation, they look guilty. They don't apparently have much interest in finding their lost loved one........................................expressly when that loved one is a baby.

bbm/mo

 

[stephen40]

I disagree. Truthful answers MAY require thinking and remembering. If someone were asked "do you remember a red-haired woman", the subject might have better recall if they have time to think... have I seen her? Where? When? Where did I go the week before Lisa was kidnapped? Grocery store? Was there a red haired woman there? And so on.

If I had to think of something like that, I would do much better at home, lying on my sofa and thinking about it, than being in a harshly lit room with LE pelting questions at me.

When the mom of a missing baby -missing 7 weeks-refuses to talk to LE With a LAWYER PRESENT then--------HOUSTON we have a problem.

 

[stephen40]

Karmaa, I just wanted to tell you that I understand and appreciate exactly where you are coming from, and that is NOT from a place of defending baby-killing parents. I, too, believe that the rights afforded to us under the Constitution and under our legal system are there for good reason and taking taking advantage of them does not automatically mean you are guilty.

Earlier on in the case I saw people posting that the parents should be 'forced' to talk, and that they should be deprived of food, water, and sleep until they told LE what they wanted to know. Fortunately, we don't live in a country in which those practices are legal. In some countries, women can be stoned to death for adultery or forced to marry their rapist or face imprisonment. Those practices are legal in those countries. I understand the rage and sadness over a missing child, but resorting to barbaric 'legal' practices does not serve justice in any way, shape or form.

All IMO, of course.

I disagree. The rights of the parents should NEVER come before the rights of a missing baby whose being found COULD DIRECTLY depend on the parents.

Is mom talking to local media daily?
Is mom talking to local citizens daily?
Is mom hanging flyers?
Is mom cooperating with LE?

Or has mom been sipping wine with friends?

Getting back to normal like her lawyer said

IMHOO?

 

[Sherbie]

I disagree. Truthful answers MAY require thinking and remembering. If someone were asked "do you remember a red-haired woman", the subject might have better recall if they have time to think... have I seen her? Where? When? Where did I go the week before Lisa was kidnapped? Grocery store? Was there a red haired woman there? And so on.

If I had to think of something like that, I would do much better at home, lying on my sofa and thinking about it, than being in a harshly lit room with LE pelting questions at me.

So do you think that's a practical way for LE to operate? If we adhere to the IUPG concept, that courtesy would need to be extended to everyone, not just these parents. I just don't see how LE would ever get anything accomplished if that were the case, not to mention it gives a guilty person time to come up with answers that won't implicate them (and removes LE's ability to gauge by reaction whether a person is being honest).

I might answer with a simple, "I don't recall offhand a red-haired woman, but if I think of anything, I'll be sure to call and let you know." Then I can go home, have Beulah peel some grapes and mull it over on the sofa, see what comes to me (if I'm innocent) or what I can come up with (if I'm not). :crazy:

(For the young'uns, Beulah is an old movie reference.)

 

[In da Middle]

So do you think that's a practical way for LE to operate? If we adhere to the IUPG concept, that courtesy would need to be extended to everyone, not just these parents. I just don't see how LE would ever get anything accomplished if that were the case, not to mention it gives a guilty person time to come up with answers that won't implicate them (and removes LE's ability to gauge by reaction whether a person is being honest).

I might answer with a simple, "I don't recall offhand a red-haired woman, but if I think of anything, I'll be sure to call and let you know." Then I can go home, have Beulah peel some grapes and mull it over on the sofa, see what comes to me (if I'm innocent) or what I can come up with (if I'm not). :crazy:

(For the young'uns, Beulah is an old movie reference.)

But BBM
And THAT does not require going in separately at all. This is the part I don't understand. Why separate. If LE has already lied to them about fact separated for many hours, then they found out LE was lying to them only when they were separated, then there is no way they would get me in there separated again. They have done that for many hours now. Now we are at this exact spot. I will call you when I think of something or call me if you think of something else to ask me. No absolute need for more separate interviews. If they are willing to come in together with an attorney, then let's do it and move on. If this goes well, maybe enough trust can develop to get the separate interview if it is really needed.

 

[katydid23]

Because IMO I think you have to be in some Ambien induced sleep walk to do something to BL and cover it up and then not remember it.

I don't know. Back in my crazy days, when I used to party hard, I would wake up and have no idea how I got home. My car would not be in the driveway and I would have no idea where it was. And I never took Ambien, just tequila, coke and lots of weed. SoI think it is possible that she does not remember anything.imoo