Police say parents are not answering vital questions #2

[Jacie Estes]

Lawyers messed up the use of the word "suspect' around the time of the OJ case. It requires they have an attorney if LE uses the word now. So they started using "POI". Now that is also starting chaos...so most have backed off from that word also.

They tie the LE"s hands whenever possible. Our protections under the constitution are dwindling in the past three years. More and more words are now not allowed. Our freedom of Speech is under fire...anyone notice?

Are only some amendments applicable?

Let's bolster the 1st and forget about the others?

When does postulating become slander?

Where is the FIRE?

 

[lauriej]

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Psychic Lead in Baby Lisa Case?
Nov 29, 2011
- 4:03 -
Attorney for Baby Lisa's family weighs in
--JoeNY weighs in on psychics, deborah's "refreshed recollections" and says it's not true that she changed her story or that she failed the LDT.

 

[Sparklin]

These children should have been questioned w/o cameras, attorneys, advisors, psycholgists (paid by DT) etc. I am sure nothing was garnerd through the interviews, as once again, the attorneys put a wrench in it.

We will see in the future what happens. I predict a law suit coming against the very hard-working LE force. They are taking every single thing, no matter how minute and dissecting it, looking for a chance to score a million or so against the City of Kansas City. It is what they do and how they make their money. They see dollar signs if they get a chance to sue a government agency. It's what they do best.

bbm1 = REALLY? Are you serious about that? Never in a million years regardless of what was happening would I agree to that.

bbm2 = Who are 'they'?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1300232925001/psychic-lead-in-baby-lisa-case
Psychic Lead in Baby Lisa Case?
Nov 29, 2011
- 4:03 -
Attorney for Baby Lisa's family weighs in
--JoeNY weighs in on psychics, deborah's "refreshed recollections" and says it's not true that she changed her story or that she failed the LDT.

Thanks for the link lauriej. It appears that Joe Tacopina's remark about filtering tips was in regards to psychic tips and visions. I guess if psychics wish that their tips get to LE they need to contact them directly and not thru the attorneys in this case.

 

[Sparklin]

Would somebody care to explain how Jeremy and his GF are working with the FBI. Seems like an awful lot of assumption going on here. If you really had a choice, the FBI should come in a long distance second. Being questioned by the FBI is brutal. I imagine that the attorneys are able to speak with the FBI. I expect them to be calling for results of lab work, etc. They certainly aren't going to get the results but that never stopped attorneys before. LE may not want to deal with Tapocina and Perscino (sp?) and told them to call the FBI. In return the FBI would bounce it back to local LE.

To think they have a choice on who they talk with in this case is crazy. They need to be talking to LE. They don't want to. What ever happened to that Dramatic Queen who told the world she was going to be arrested? Darn shame she wasn't. What ever happened the top notch Private Investigator who never interviewed any witness? May we assume he was not working as an investigator but as a mouthpiece for the parents? You betcha!

After all this time, to be sitting on the fence has to getting more and more difficult. Somebody needs to bring you guys some coffee and donuts while you're up there.

bbm = I totally agree. Not only the ones assuming that the lawyers did meet with FBI for 3 hours, but also those that are assuming they didn't. I'm not having an issue sitting on the fence at all. It's exactly where I want to be and the exact place I will stay until there is some CONCRETE evidence that sends me toppling either way. I am very firmly on that fence actually and very happy to be there.
I refuse to be party to attacking D/J. All I know is that their baby girl is missing. I do not know who took her, I do not know what they did with her, but I know that parents and boys are without their 'pumpkin pie' and right now, today...all I feel is sympathy for them.

 

[askfornina]

bbm = I totally agree. Not only the ones assuming that the lawyers did meet with FBI for 3 hours, but also those that are assuming they didn't. I'm not having an issue sitting on the fence at all. It's exactly where I want to be and the exact place I will stay until there is some CONCRETE evidence that sends me toppling either way. I am very firmly on that fence actually and very happy to be there.
I refuse to be party to attacking D/J. All I know is that their baby girl is missing. I do not know who took her, I do not know what they did with her, but I know that parents and boys are without their 'pumpkin pie' and right now, today...all I feel is sympathy for them.

i TOTALLY agree Sparklin. :rocker:

 

[Jacie Estes]

These children should have been questioned w/o cameras, attorneys, advisors, psycholgists (paid by DT) etc. I am sure nothing was garnerd through the interviews, as once again, the attorneys put a wrench in it.

We will see in the future what happens. I predict a law suit coming against the very hard-working LE force. They are taking every single thing, no matter how minute and dissecting it, looking for a chance to score a million or so against the City of Kansas City. It is what they do and how they make their money. They see dollar signs if they get a chance to sue a government agency. It's what they do best.

BBM Why? The protocol is to do it w/cameras, attorneys, advisors, psychologists.

What is the benefit from not protecting the children?

"They see dollar signs if they get a chance to sue a government agency. It's what they do best." Is there a link, please?

 

[stephen40]

bbm = I totally agree. Not only the ones assuming that the lawyers did meet with FBI for 3 hours, but also those that are assuming they didn't. I'm not having an issue sitting on the fence at all. It's exactly where I want to be and the exact place I will stay until there is some CONCRETE evidence that sends me toppling either way. I am very firmly on that fence actually and very happy to be there.
I refuse to be party to attacking D/J. All I know is that their baby girl is missing. I do not know who took her, I do not know what they did with her, but I know that parents and boys are without their 'pumpkin pie' and right now, today...all I feel is sympathy for them.

It's nice to live in a place where fence sitting is allowed.
Personally I don't see a lot of fence sitting. What I see is people defending DB at every turn.
It's a shame LE can't make an arrest based onCONCRETE evidence they have. The concrete evidence of Deborah announcing she was drunk the night her little baby girl vanished. (I use the term vanished loosely.)
IMHOO

 

[stephen40]

Thanks for the link lauriej. It appears that Joe Tacopina's remark about filtering tips was in regards to psychic tips and visions. I guess if psychics wish that their tips get to LE they need to contact them directly and not thru the attorneys in this case.

Let's have DB crowned mother of the year and be done with it.

 

[Nixie]

These children should have been questioned w/o cameras, attorneys, advisors, psycholgists (paid by DT) etc. I am sure nothing was garnerd through the interviews, as once again, the attorneys put a wrench in it.

We will see in the future what happens. I predict a law suit coming against the very hard-working LE force. They are taking every single thing, no matter how minute and dissecting it, looking for a chance to score a million or so against the City of Kansas City. It is what they do and how they make their money. They see dollar signs if they get a chance to sue a government agency. It's what they do best.

bbm Weren't the psychologists who interviewed the boys FBI not defense team? I think the reason they have camera's and such is not only for the parent's and child's benefit but also for the prosecution. If they were to have gotten evidence the DT couldn't argue if the interview was on camera and showed no leading or twisting of the boys words. Did these defense lawyers sue a government agency before? I just have never heard of suing except in cases where someone was found guilty of a crime they didn't commit and the police did something to mess up the investigation.

 

[Whisperer]

I didn't realized the police had confirmed that DB had failed her poly. I thought that was what she herself said. When did LE confirm? tia

Thanks in advance?

So now we are going to negate what DB herself regarding the POLY because LE didn't confirm it...and if so does that mean she is a liar? And if she is a liar, are we allowed to speculate that she is lying about what she did with Lisa?

TIA

 

[Whisperer]

bbm Weren't the psychologists who interviewed the boys FBI not defense team? I think the reason they have camera's and such is not only for the parent's and child's benefit but also for the prosecution. If they were to have gotten evidence the DT couldn't argue if the interview was on camera and showed no leading or twisting of the boys words. Did these defense lawyers sue a government agency before? I just have never heard of suing except in cases where someone was found guilty of a crime they didn't commit and the police did something to mess up the investigation.

I am sure they gleaned nothing from the interview. Their hands were tied. It is difficult enough to interview a child two months after the fact but even harder if they are not allowed to question freely. It was a waste of time...imo.

It take a very long time and many many interviews to get information from a child. The defense gave them the kids and then put restraints on them, watching every single word and phrase. This wasn't done so much as for the kids concern but for theirs. There was no reason for the DT to play up how much the children were going to be hurt but to ascertain where they are going in their questioning.

Pretty clear to me that many here are skeptical of everything LE does and are looking out for DB. I have been told about her rights. I just haven't been told about Lisa's.

 

[Whisperer]

It is game time for the Defense and I am not going to hang around for the score. I've seen too many before and know how it ends.

 

[kantoo]

I am sure they gleaned nothing from the interview. Their hands were tied. It is difficult enough to interview a child two months after the fact but even harder if they are not allowed to question freely. It was a waste of time...imo.

It take a very long time and many many interviews to get information from a child. The defense gave them the kids and then put restraints on them, watching every single word and phrase. This wasn't done so much as for the kids concern but for theirs. There was no reason for the DT to play up how much the children were going to be hurt but to ascertain where they are going in their questioning.

Pretty clear to me that many here are skeptical of everything LE does and are looking out for DB. I have been told about her rights. I just haven't been told about Lisa's.

The interviews conducted by a female forensic specialist flown in by the FBI, began at 4:00 p.m. and at 7:30 p.m., a police spokesman said they had concluded.


Officials say the interviewer, who specializes in gathering information from traumatized children, is not an FBI Agent.


The specialist interviewed the brothers individually. Each interview was videotaped. According to police, the lawyers, family and detectives were in another room while the interviews were conducted.



Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...iew-half-brothers-of-lisa-irwin#ixzz1fCxpDc8X

I also read an article that said the family/lawyers were not allowed to see the videotape afterwards. Tacopino took the boys out for fast food afterwards. I'll keep looking for that link

 

[Sparklin]

DB was the one who said she failed. I don't believe that LE has ever revealed one way or the other. I also don't believe Whisperer's post said LE had confirmed. Whisperer's post didn't say whose statement it was . . . but most here know that was DB's claim.

Are we only to use LE confirmed statements in our posts now or am I confused?

BBM = She said that she was TOLD she failed.

 

[josie1986]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1300232925001/psychic-lead-in-baby-lisa-case
Psychic Lead in Baby Lisa Case?
Nov 29, 2011
- 4:03 -
Attorney for Baby Lisa's family weighs in
--JoeNY weighs in on psychics, deborah's "refreshed recollections" and says it's not true that she changed her story or that she failed the LDT.

What am I missing here......is she saying she didn't say she failed a poly? I'm suffering from sleep depravation so apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

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[natsound]

What am I missing here......is she saying she didn't say she failed a poly? I'm suffering from sleep depravation so apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

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Regarding the poly and whether DB failed, Tacopina says,

"They've never said that. I've confronted them (LE) about that. That's not accurate."

So what... LE told DB she failed the poly, but told Tacopina they never said that?

 

[cityslick]

Regarding the poly and whether DB failed, Tacopina says,

"They've never said that. I've confronted them (LE) about that. That's not accurate."

So what... LE told DB she failed the poly, but told Tacopina they never said that?

I think the issue here is the factoid (if it is indeed fact) is coming in a second hand nature to the public. Yes, DB did say she failed, but she said LE told her she failed. I guess in a court of law that would be hearsay. I'm not sure if DB was lying that LE told her, LE was lying when they told her, or it's the truth.

Is LE under obligation to tell her the truth about a poly result?

 

[stephen40]

Someone needs to tell the truth.

 

[Donjeta]

My vital unanswered question for the day is, why is Tacopina saying that DB said she checked on the baby at 6:40 and then after a lot of questioning her recollection was refreshed and she remembered looking in her room when going to bed?

"So, so far, your client the mom, she admitted that she was drunk that night, she changed the last time she saw the baby..."
JT: She did not change the last time.
"From 640, she originally said 10:30"
JT: No, that's not accurate.
"Okay, what's accurate?"
JT: "What's accurate is, she went in there and gave a rendition of events. She went in there don't forget five times, over about 40 hours. At one point her recollection was refreshed that she might have stopped in the baby's room on her way to bed herself and maybe seen the baby for the last time at 10:30, as opposed to 6:40. She didn't say she put the baby in bed two different times."

JT says it's not accurate that she changed her story about the last time she saw the baby and then goes on to explain exactly how she changed her story about the last time she saw the baby :crazy:

What's more, that's not the order of the events as how it came out in the media. At first it was said that she saw the baby at 10:30 and later her memory was refreshed that she might not have seen her at 10:30 but last saw her at 6:40.

I'm not sure JT knows jack about this case.

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