Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

bbm. Her name is Cyndy Short. She was GREAT, imo. She seemed to really care about this case and she seemed to really care about Lisa. She continued to work on this case even after she was no longer representing DB and JI. I watched the PC she gave when she left the case earlier today, and it was interesting to say the least. Definitely worth a re-watch. I don't want to get too off topic, but here is a link for every one:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...ents-will-hold-a-press-conference-mon-morning

It's two parts.

Thanks for the link, I couldn't think of her last name. :blushing:

 

[vlpate]

:chicken: Go tell that! :clap::dance:
I think this all the time.....gotta have the body hidden well....give it time to deteriorate....a little blood on a towel or on the floor won't mean anything, may as well not even clean it up. A good lawyer and an even better wood chipper - smooth sailing

I have deleted my last comment. This case is too emotionally charged. Many who say they are not convinced the family is guilty are upset by those that think they are. Therefore no logical discussion can take place. All is comes down to is back and forth posting and demanding a fact only board.
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Since many cases don't have facts, behavior and speech are analyzed and some don't think that is fair either...because it is not a fact. Some demand hard evidence and will accept nothing less. One cadaver dog is not enough, etc.

My conclusion is that nothing will convince those "with no opinion one way or the other" except hard evidence of a body or blood...and sometimes that won't be enough, as we know.

We have watched Kyron and many other cases go unsolved because it is almost impossible to convict a perp w/o a body or confession. And it the body is out in the elements the "people with no opinion" will never be convinced the party is guilty because the evidence is destroyed.

We have reached a new era in this country where if you hide a body well enough and leave no DNA,..hire a criminal defense attorney in the beginning (ala Teri Horman) you can literally get away with murder.

 

[Whisperer]

Whoever disposed of those cell phones for them must have tossed the batteries. Dollars to donuts, Le got the service restored ASAP. So the perp was not one of the crazy/pshycho/maniac type that can't reason well. That type doesn't even hide the body, no less the batteiries.

We may have a level headed person who can knows how to get rid of a body and evidence.

To solve the case, suspects must be profiled. By profiling and knowing their habits, it sometimes leads to the victim.

So far there is not much on JI but I have found some I can't share here. We all have info on DB. I suppose we can't discuss it here. It may get alerted. I hope the FBI has one on them or anyone else they suspect.

 

[~n/t~]

I have deleted my last comment. This case is too emotionally charged. Many who say they are not convinced the family is guilty are upset by those that think they are. Therefore no logical discussion can take place. All is comes down to is back and forth posting and demanding a fact only board.
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Since many cases don't have facts, behavior and speech are analyzed and some don't think that is fair either...because it is not a fact. Some demand hard evidence and will accept nothing less. One cadaver dog is not enough, etc.

My conclusion is that nothing will convince those "with no opinion one way or the other" except hard evidence of a body or blood...and sometimes that won't be enough, as we know.

We have watched Kyron and many other cases go unsolved because it is almost impossible to convict a perp w/o a body or confession. And it the body is out in the elements the "people with no opinion" will never be convinced the party is guilty because the evidence is destroyed.

We have reached a new era in this country where if you hide a body well enough and leave no DNA,..hire a criminal defense attorney in the beginning (ala Teri Horman) you can literally get away with murder.

I'd like to believe that murderers are not as smart as they lead us to believe. I don't think they can hide DNA or evidence.

However, I do question some of the investigative tactics used by LE in missing children cases and wonder if there is something lacking in their ability to solve crimes. This is not to criticize at all but I look at Ayla Reynolds case. They allegedly found splattered blood in the basement and what does LE do? They bring the dad in and show him the luminol results. Guess what? Now they lawyered up. Nobody will say anything anymore. No more cooperation. Ayla is still missing and perhaps will only be found by luck or years from now or never. Why do they do this? Why not just keep all evidence close to their vest? Continue to investigate however long it takes until they have enough to arrest, charge and convict. Trying to get a confession doesn't seem to work.

All the missing children cases I'm currently following, LE used the same tactics. It's just not working. but yet they keep doing it over and over.

I don't get it.

:twocents:

 

[tehcloser]

But don't you have to take into consideration all the cases LE HAS cracked using those tactics? We don't usually hear about those here........they are solved to quickly.

 

[Donjeta]

JMO, leaving DNA is often pretty irrelevant in missing child cases if the child goes missing from the home and the suspect is someone who is known to have interacted with the child. Their DNA would be expected to be found all over the crime scene and tells nothing unless it's found on the victim in an orifice where nobody's DNA should be.

DNA is incriminating evidence only if it's found at a crime scene that the suspect had no business being at.

 

[~n/t~]

But don't you have to take into consideration all the cases LE HAS cracked using those tactics? We don't usually hear about those here........they are solved to quickly.

I can only think of one right now where the mom lead LE to the little baby's remains. The name totally escapes me right now....I believe it was in Missouri as well.

The other cases I followed, the body was recovered. No help from the parent.

Don't want this to go o/t but I think perhaps if LE gave the parents a sense of security thinking they are not suspected, just maybe they will slip up and get caught.

Not saying I believe DB and JI are guilty of this crime. I have no idea whatsoever what happened to Baby Lisa.

 

[~n/t~]

JMO, leaving DNA is often pretty irrelevant in missing child cases if the child goes missing from the home and the suspect is someone who is known to have interacted with the child. Their DNA would be expected to be found all over the crime scene and tells nothing unless it's found on the victim in an orifice where nobody's DNA should be.

DNA is incriminating evidence only if it's found at a crime scene that the suspect had no business being at.

or the victim. If a victim's DNA is found in a place where he/she had no reason to be,etc.

 

[cityslick]

Everyone is allowed to have opinions. I don't think anyone who is on the fence has an issue per say with those that believe the parents are responsible for doing something to BL. Where we start running into issues is when certain folks start attacking those on the fence for having that opinion, saying things like 'defending DB's rights' or 'siding with defense lawyers', etc. This is one of those places where you shouldn't have to defend what you believe in but sometimes it doesn't feel like that. Especially in this forum.

The other issue is when we see information getting posted that's either a rumor posted as fact or just straight out incorrect based on what we know. All it does is confuse what is known and factual. That's why there is this belief that for some, it's more about pointing the finger at DB than it is about trying to figure out what happened to BL.

 

[cityslick]

Whoever disposed of those cell phones for them must have tossed the batteries. Dollars to donuts, Le got the service restored ASAP. So the perp was not one of the crazy/pshycho/maniac type that can't reason well. That type doesn't even hide the body, no less the batteiries.

We may have a level headed person who can knows how to get rid of a body and evidence.

To solve the case, suspects must be profiled. By profiling and knowing their habits, it sometimes leads to the victim.

So far there is not much on JI but I have found some I can't share here. We all have info on DB. I suppose we can't discuss it here. It may get alerted. I hope the FBI has one on them or anyone else they suspect.

BBM

IMO, just from observation, DB doesn't strike me as this type, especially if she had alcohol in her.

 

[Jacie Estes]

BBM: I think that is a poor excuse to lead DB and / or JI off to slaughter b/c you are not happy with the verdict in another case. Few people are happy with that verdict, but it should NOT mean that every mother of a missing child should be deemed guilty b/c of it. MOO

Everyone who has spent time in a courtroom, even a court stenographer, would know that a courtroom is where facts and evidence are presented, where said evidence is excluded or included and the presumption of Innocent until PROVEN Guilty exists. The lynch mob mentality is a throwback to the wild west days; isn't it great that we as a society have progressed and we don't do that anymore? Juries do what they do; if you have every done jury duty you know, they look at the evidence, listen to the attornies and, based on the facts presented to them, they acquit or find a verdict of guilty.

Deborah Bradley is NOT Casey Anthony, Susan Smith, Terri Horman or anyone else and to judge her by the actions of others is absurd.

 

[tehcloser]

To assume that others are judging her because of CA is absurd......IMO. Each case is different. The "oh because of Casey thing" is simply a hot button. We have many of those here. None solve anything and actually do a disservice to the victim. Some of us see the parents as involved, some don't. It's not because of CA, it's because of their own actions which some of us see as not trying to help LE find their child. There usually are two sides to every case...this one is no different, and it's certainly not because of CA.

 

[In da Middle]

To assume that others are judging her because of CA is absurd......IMO. Each case is different. The "oh because of Casey thing" is simply a hot button. We have many of those here. None solve anything and actually do a disservice to the victim. Some of us see the parents as involved, some don't. It's not because of CA, it's because of their own actions which some of us see as not trying to help LE find their child. There usually are two sides to every case...this one is no different, and it's certainly not because of CA.

But there ARE some who want to keep comparing this one to that one on every facet. From comparing DB to Casey all the way to comparing monies. These are two totally different cases here and they should remain two different cases.

 

[Krisy]

But there ARE some who want to keep comparing this one to that one on every facet. From comparing DB to Casey all the way to comparing monies. These are two totally different cases here and they should remain two different cases.

Yes, but we learn from history. That's how you see what works and what doesn't.

I agree with an above poster that Mom is guilty of neglect at least! She was the caretaker, and was under the influence to an extreme. One child was lost, not sure how yet. Of course one doesn't think that might happen, but fire, illness, etc are all possibilities and you should be in control of yourself!

 

[cityslick]

To assume that others are judging her because of CA is absurd......IMO. Each case is different. The "oh because of Casey thing" is simply a hot button. We have many of those here. None solve anything and actually do a disservice to the victim. Some of us see the parents as involved, some don't. It's not because of CA, it's because of their own actions which some of us see as not trying to help LE find their child. There usually are two sides to every case...this one is no different, and it's certainly not because of CA.

I think that kind of stuff gets brought up because you can't go one thread (or even a few pages in a thread) without a reference or comparison to that case. I understand the reach that case had on a good many people on this forum (myself included), but it's over, it's been over and it has nothing to do with this case.

 

[beach]

To assume that others are judging her because of CA is absurd......IMO. Each case is different. The "oh because of Casey thing" is simply a hot button. We have many of those here. None solve anything and actually do a disservice to the victim. Some of us see the parents as involved, some don't. It's not because of CA, it's because of their own actions which some of us see as not trying to help LE find their child. There usually are two sides to every case...this one is no different, and it's certainly not because of CA.

BBM

I could not agree more!

It is a cheap shot to accuse those who feel DB or JI played some role in Lisa's disappearance as being jaded by the Anthony verdict.

Come on, folks! Repsect the fact that intelligent people can disagree on the merits of the information both sides share. They just have different opinions. So what??? It does not mean one side is jaded, just that they think differently. PERIOD.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IMO she is still guilty of child neglect and if anything it is her fault whatever happened to Lisa, be it she killed her, an accident or someone kidnapped her. Because she sat outside getting drunk, not once checking on her.

If it was any one I knew I would tell them to do everything in there power to get there child back, not to lawyer up in case the LE start pointing fingers at them. Honestly what person who just had there darling baby "stolen" from them thinks like this?

I do not give a **** about the rights of the parents, if a parent isn't talking they should be forced to talk and **** there rights. The safety and wellness of children should come before anything.

BBM
For argument sake lets say that the constitution was changed to allow forced interrogations by LE.

Since statistics say that most very young missing children are the victims of their own parents, all parents who resist talking to LE would be forced to come in for questioning. If they still resist, more force will be applied (torture?) until the desired result (confession?) is obtained.

Obviously not 100% of these parents would be guilty of anything so the real perpetrator would be free to victimize more innocent children.

How could that kind of system bring justice and safety to children.

 

[cityslick]

BBM
For argument sake lets say that the constitution was changed to allow forced interrogations by LE.

Since statistics say that most very young missing children are the victims of their own parents, all parents who resist talking to LE would be forced to come in for questioning. If they still resist, more force will be applied (torture?) until the desired result (confession?) is obtained.

Obviously not 100% of these parents would be guilty of anything so the real perpetrator would be free to victimize more innocent children.

How could that kind of system bring justice and safety to children.

The problem with having that kind of system is all it would take is one instance (and you know it would happen) where the parent was actually innocent of any wrongdoing yet were treated with pressure and force by LE to talk and it would hit the fan, socially/politically/you name it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The problem with having that kind of system is all it would take is one instance (and you know it would happen) where the parent was actually innocent of any wrongdoing yet were treated with pressure and force by LE to talk and it would hit the fan, socially/politically/you name it.

Exactly. Do we want a system where your certainly guaranteed that innocent people are imprisoned and guilty people go free?

 

[lonetraveler]

What changed? At the minimum SB and her daughter saw her. Maybe more that have just not said anything to the media. It was a beautiful evening and they were always out, so there could have been more.

SB and her daughter reportedly saw Lisa. Has there been any description of what Lisa was doing, when they saw her, ie., standing in the crib, sleeping in the crib? Anyone read anything on this?