Police say parents are not answering vital questions

[JeannaT]

If the parents are responsible for Lisa's "missing" status, then they alone are the ones who have brought the big wrecking ball to their lives. Blaming it on LE won't change anything. Just makes themselves look worse in the eyes of the public.

JMO

It's hard for us to see each other's point of view on this, because I'm so convinced they're innocent, and from what I can tell you're very convinced they're guilty. So it's very hard for us to bridge this gap, and see how she's not allowing LE free access to her children in the same light.

Different perspectives.

 

[MyBelle]

Based on what? I'm not trying to be snarky or anything. I'm just curious what kind of evidence you think they have.

Burned clothes. Cell phone pings and records. Admission of being drunk.

JMO

 

[JeannaT]

I read that Deb herself said that the boys said that they did hear something going on that night... and presumably this is what they told LE when they were interviewed. MOO

I missed that completely - but I missed a lot of stuff being away from the boards sometimes.

Did she say what they heard?

 

[jjenny]

I missed that completely - but I missed a lot of stuff being away from the boards sometimes.

Did she say what they heard?

She claimed they heard noises. But she didn't talk to them about it. And refuses to let LE to re-interview them.

 

[MyBelle]

I read that Deb herself said that the boys said that they did hear something going on that night... and presumably this is what they told LE when they were interviewed. MOO

My guess is that the boys DIDN'T tell LE this and that is why they want to re-interview them and the parents won't allow it because it will be used to show DB is a <mod snip>.

JMO

 

[grandmaj]

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[frankie069]

I don't think it's been made really clear how long LE has already spent with the children, or whether the children are traumatized right now. They're traumatized to some degree, I'm sure with their sister being missing, but I don't know how much.

The only reason, IMHO, they want to interview the kids right now is to get the kids to change what they already said. I think we can all project what the kids said - Lisa was in her crib, they didn't hear anything, didn't see anything. I think we all pretty much can agree that's what the boys apparently said.

So the goal now would be to get the kids to move OFF that statement, and say they were covering up, and they saw or heard or know something. LE doesn't have fresh questions that they just forgot to ask, and would like the chance to ask something completely different, i.e., your friend's teenage brother has a couple times been rumored to have acted inappropriately with the baby, can you give us information about that?

If they were my kids, I wouldn't want to put them through that. If there WAS something completely different to ask the kids, my guess is, they'd be open to those kind of questions.

At the VERY LEAST, if these were my kids I'd insist on a CASA volunteer being in the room, and IMMEDIATELY stopping any kind of shenanigans meant to fool the kids and trick them into agreeing their mother killed Lisa, or there is evidence of that. A half hour, no-shenanigans interview with each I might approve.

The thing is, they've lost their precious baby girl. They're trying to hold together what family they have left, and LE is quite good at coming in with big wrecking balls and destroying families in order to try to get them to turn on each other.

<modsnip>. Why would the police want to change the kids minds like that. They wouldnt. They want the truth and thats it. The police arent in the habit of making people change their minds. They have an 11 month old baby out there someplace and there is either a kidnapper or a murderer out there as well. Their concern is finding this baby, not getting the wrong person. Those parents need to suck it up and get with the program because you know what, IF they didnt do this, I hope they rot in hell for not helping the police. As a parent myself I have never seen or could imagine an innocent parent acting as they are. I would have no problem what so ever letting the police question my other kids if one was missing in case they heard something I didnt. These parents do not want their kids questioned. The police dont even do the questioning on children like this. They have an expert come in, it is taped and the parents are in another room watching the whole thing, they can even get the kids a guardian that can be in the room if they feel more comfortable. LOOK FOR YOU DAUGHTER DB AND LI, THIS IS NOT MAKING YOU LOOK GOOD. :furious:

 

[iluvmua]

I would rather have LE have all of their ducks in a row and take their time in finding the evidence they need (even without a body), then rush through this and perhaps miss some very importance evidence and take this to trial and end up loosing.

 

[frankie069]

Burned clothes. Cell phone pings and records. Admission of being drunk.

JMO

I keep hearing about the burned clothes. Who's clothes were they, do they know. Were they found at the dumpster.. I cant believe I missed that.

 

[Boilly]

Ok, I am not the most up-to-date with the details of this case and haven&#8217;t read all the posts here. Is there anyone outside the family that can confirm seeing baby Lisa the day she disappeared? The burning garbage, the discrepancies in the timeline make me think of Zahra Baker and the possibility that baby Lisa was missing for days (or longer) before she was reported missing. If there is one thing we have learned from Caylee, Zahra, Haleigh, etc. is that the longer you wait to report, the longer it takes to find a body, the harder it is to determine an exact cause of death and who was involved. Forensic evidence deteriorates over time. Is it possible that baby Lisa was missing for longer than the reported time?

 

[JeannaT]

<modsnip>. Why would the police want to change the kids minds like that. They wouldnt. They want the truth and thats it. The police arent in the habit of making people change their minds. They have an 11 month old baby out there someplace and there is either a kidnapper or a murderer out there as well. Their concern is finding this baby, not getting the wrong person. Those parents need to suck it up and get with the program because you know what, IF they didnt do this, I hope they rot in hell for not helping the police. As a parent myself I have never seen or could imagine an innocent parent acting as they are. I would have no problem what so ever letting the police question my other kids if one was missing in case they heard something I didnt. These parents do not want their kids questioned. The police dont even do the questioning on children like this. They have an expert come in, it is taped and the parents are in another room watching the whole thing, they can even get the kids a guardian that can be in the room if they feel more comfortable. LOOK FOR YOU DAUGHTER DB AND LI, THIS IS NOT MAKING YOU LOOK GOOD. :furious:

<mod snip> And yes, they ARE about making people change their minds. Yes they are. What do you think reinterviews are about, and good cop bad cop, and telling people that their friends ratted them out, and they have evidence they don't have, etc.

Yes they ARE about making people change their minds.

 

[liz b.]

I missed that completely - but I missed a lot of stuff being away from the boards sometimes.

Did she say what they heard?

Jeanna, No, she did not say exactly what they heard. MOO

 

[jjenny]

Jeanna, No, she did not say exactly what they heard. MOO

I heard her say the boys heard noises.

 

[JeannaT]

Ok, I am not the most up-to-date with the details of this case and haven’t read all the posts here. Is there anyone outside the family that can confirm seeing baby Lisa the day she disappeared? The burning garbage, the discrepancies in the timeline make me think of Zahra Baker and the possibility that baby Lisa was missing for days (or longer) before she was reported missing. If there is one thing we have learned from Caylee, Zahra, Haleigh, etc. is that the longer you wait to report, the longer it takes to find a body, the harder it is to determine an exact cause of death and who was involved. Forensic evidence deteriorates over time. Is it possible that baby Lisa was missing for longer than the reported time?

There was a family birthday party that afternoon - not at Lisa's home but another home. My guess is, there are people who can verify Lisa was there.

 

[cluciano63]

I keep hearing about the burned clothes. Who's clothes were they, do they know. Were they found at the dumpster.. I cant believe I missed that.

There was a RUMOR of burned baby clothes found early on. And then Lisa's mother said Le told her and/or tried to show her some burned clothes, we don't know exactly what happened or if she looked at them.

 

[sorrell skye]

She's the one who's been in the room with that LE, Sorrell Sky. She's the one who would know best what it is they want her to say, to "cooperate". We weren't there.

You are correct, we weren't there.

However, I will place my faith in LE @ this point, until there is evidence that leads me to doubt them.

I don't blindly follow LE's lead. I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself & reaching my own conclusions. Case in point: the Rebecca Zahau case. I have strongly & consistently challenged the investigative findings in that case, based upon the available evidence.

With regard to Baby Lisa's case: I have yet to see any reason to distrust the KCPD & the FBI who have been investigating Baby Lisa's disappearance.

On the other hand, I have seen & heard a few reasons to distrust the alleged *kidnapping* scenario put forth by DB and/or JI, not the least of which is the ever-changing timeline of when the baby was put to bed and when she was supposedly checked on.

 

[krimekat]

Burned clothes. Cell phone pings and records. Admission of being drunk.

JMO

BBM: where are the cell phone records & the pings? Were they released? Also, burned clothes in THE dumpster? I heard that Deborah said LE showed her burned items but why?

Where Lisa's clothes found burned in the dumpster?

BTW: I live in the City of St. Louis & there are dumpster fires all over all the time every where. I am down the street from the fire dept & they can attest to this -- it totally pi$$e$ them off! Oh, and dead bodies . . . 2 so far since May 2011 here's one:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137549"]MO - 18 month old found dead in dumpster - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Tipstaff]

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http://www.ted.com/talks/pamela_meyer_how_to_spot_a_liar.html

Great Link thanks!!!

 

[madge]

Jeanna, No, she did not say exactly what they heard. MOO

DB says the kids heard noises BUT that she hasn't asked them about the noises. Cold..hearted.

 

[cluciano63]

<mod snip> And yes, they ARE about making people change their minds. Yes they are. What do you think reinterviews are about, and good cop bad cop, and telling people that their friends ratted them out, and they have evidence they don't have, etc.

Yes they ARE about making people change their minds.

I disagree; not about changing their minds, about getting the real and complete story. Changing of minds should not even come into it. I do have my doubts as to the usefullness of these children, personally. Especially two highly eventful weeks later.