Police say parents are not answering vital questions

[Whisperer]

Any ideas why the parents of Lisa refuse to talk separately to LE? I have mine but am interested to read the people's responses who support the parents.

 

[Whisperer]

We aren't making excuses, just pointing out obvious flaws in the Guilty verdict in The Court of Public Opinion.

The Dogs aren't Bad, just not Evidence. Polygraphs are notoriously unreliable. And LE tell fibs sometimes.

Babies and children have been abducted from their beds when both Sober parents were asleep.

Or perhaps you think that Jeremy deliberately got an extra job that night. And Debbie deliberately got drunk to psych herself up into killing her baby.

As Judge Judy would say, "It doesn't make sense."

I beg to differ...

The responses that were given were Bad Dogs, Bad Poly, Bad LE. This just isn't going to fly with me. This is a typical Defense Attorney response...it seldom works. I will say they(lawyers) are setting a tone to this crime and will bite LE in the future. They are trying to pin them right now. It is their job; it is what they do.

Less than 5% of babies abducted were acts of a stranger...this is over the past thirty years. So the people that say the parents are responsible have the odds in their favor.

It is extremely rare for anyone to take a baby younger than a year. I keep reading how flawed the concepts are of the people that say they are likely responsible for what happened to Lisa. I will stand by the LE, the poly and the dog.

For a stranger to have done this, we are looking at a psychotic, pedophile or both. Neither of these hide the bodies of their victims most of the time.

 

[Sabot]

Any ideas why the parents of Lisa refuse to talk separately to LE? I have mine but am interested to read the people's responses who support the parents.

Why would they need to? What would be the purpose of that?

I would need my husband there holding my hand if one of my precious babies was missing.

 

[Whisperer]

Maybe somebody should make a list for all the reasons the parents do NOT want to be interviewed/interrogated alone. They want to do it as a couple or not at all..GMAB!

Since when do the parents of a missing child feel so entitled that they can dictate how the LE/FBI is going to run this show?

 

[Sabot]

I beg to differ...

The responses that were given were Bad Dogs, Bad Poly, Bad LE. This just isn't going to fly with me. This is a typical Defense Attorney response...it seldom works.

Less than 5% of babies abducted were acts of a stranger...this is over the past thirty years. So the people that say the parents are responsible have the odds in their favor.

It is extremely rare for anyone to take a baby younger than a year. I keep reading how flawed the concepts are of the people that say they are likely responsible for what happened to Lisa.

Don't you understand? Statistics mean nothing beyond what they say. There has to have been Stranger Abduction for The Statistics to exist in the first place.

Odds are odds. I frequently back outsiders, and I win more often than I lose.

And, "Excuse me, Your Honour, statistics are against them" is not going to win a conviction in a Court of Law.

 

[Whisperer]

Why would they need to? What would be the purpose of that?

I would need my husband there holding my hand if one of my precious babies was missing.

Oh, Please.....What would be the purpose for LE interviewing separately? Seriously? I'm plum out of fairy dust!

:drink:

 

[Whisperer]

....fftobed:

 

[Karmaa]

I know a little about one of those cases and I certainly couldn't say they are all innocent. Sometimes LE just don't have the evidence to convict.

Glad to see Deb has posters fighting for her.....keeps it interesting.

And that right there is a big problem. Lack of evidence does not mean GUILT. It means INNOCENCE, at least as far as our judicial system goes. If guilt was determined by gut reactions or statistics then we may as well be in China or Iraq.

It is statistically likely that the parents had a hand in whatever happened to the child. But it is also statistically unlikely that they could have done "something" and left no evidence. We only know a tiny fraction of the evidence in this case, and even with that little bit we can see that there is no logical way that DB could have done "something" to Lisa in the available time.

As far as "fighting for HER" (Deb) I don't believe that is true for most people. The people who tend to be supportive of CONSIDERING her innocence are almost without exception willing to consider her guilt as well. But before we grab pitchforks and torches, we would like to be sure she DID something at least, and preferably know WHAT she did, and HOW she did it.

This is not some kind of a game, where the first person to correctly guess the killer wins, which is how some people seem to take this. (Not you.) I would rather wait to judge someone until I have something more than rumor and leaked info that doesn't show anywhere near the whole picture, than to risk taking a serious karmic hit for having ill-will towards someone who should be getting my sympathy instead.

 

[Kavya01]

Maybe somebody should make a list for all the reasons the parents do NOT want to be interviewed/interrogated alone. They want to do it as a couple or not at all..GMAB!

Since when do the parents of a missing child feel so entitled that they can dictate how the LE/FBI is going to run this show?

Seconding this.

I'll start.

1. They are distraught and cannot handle going through it without spousal support.

2. They are worried they will be caught in inconsistencies in their recounting of events.

3. They are afraid of being lured into spilling something.


Cannot think of more for now. Anyone?

 

[cindysue]

Maybe somebody should make a list for all the reasons the parents do NOT want to be interviewed/interrogated alone. They want to do it as a couple or not at all..GMAB!

Since when do the parents of a missing child feel so entitled that they can dictate how the LE/FBI is going to run this show?

Iirc I think they were questioned separately at first and they tried to pit them against each other. I think maybe they love each other not to be torn apart by LE tactics IMO

 

[Sabot]

Maybe somebody should make a list for all the reasons the parents do NOT want to be interviewed/interrogated alone. They want to do it as a couple or not at all..GMAB!

Since when do the parents of a missing child feel so entitled that they can dictate how the LE/FBI is going to run this show?

It is their Right and Entitlement by Law. They do not have to be interviewed at all if they do not wish.

 

[cindysue]

And that right there is a big problem. Lack of evidence does not mean GUILT. It means INNOCENCE, at least as far as our judicial system goes. If guilt was determined by gut reactions or statistics then we may as well be in China or Iraq.

It is statistically likely that the parents had a hand in whatever happened to the child. But it is also statistically unlikely that they could have done "something" and left no evidence. We only know a tiny fraction of the evidence in this case, and even with that little bit we can see that there is no logical way that DB could have done "something" to Lisa in the available time.

As far as "fighting for HER" (Deb) I don't believe that is true for most people. The people who tend to be supportive of CONSIDERING her innocence are almost without exception willing to consider her guilt as well. But before we grab pitchforks and torches, we would like to be sure she DID something at least, and preferably know WHAT she did, and HOW she did it.

This is not some kind of a game, where the first person to correctly guess the killer wins, which is how some people seem to take this. (Not you.) I would rather wait to judge someone until I have something more than rumor and leaked info that doesn't show anywhere near the whole picture, than to risk taking a serious karmic hit for having ill-will towards someone who should be getting my sympathy instead.

Thank you button wasn't enough. :goodpost:

 

[Karmaa]

I beg to differ...

The responses that were given were Bad Dogs, Bad Poly, Bad LE. This just isn't going to fly with me. This is a typical Defense Attorney response...it seldom works. I will say they(lawyers) are setting a tone to this crime and will bite LE in the future. They are trying to pin them right now. It is their job; it is what they do.

Less than 5% of babies abducted were acts of a stranger...this is over the past thirty years. So the people that say the parents are responsible have the odds in their favor.

It is extremely rare for anyone to take a baby younger than a year. I keep reading how flawed the concepts are of the people that say they are likely responsible for what happened to Lisa. I will stand by the LE, the poly and the dog.

For a stranger to have done this, we are looking at a psychotic, pedophile or both. Neither of these hide the bodies of their victims most of the time.

Of those three, we only know one, and only a part of that one. we know that at least one dog preliminarily hit on one spot inside the home. That's it. We don't know what it hit on, or what the result of the hit was. (Although logic dictates that it was not, in fact evidence of Lisa's death, since the parents are not arrested.)

We do not know as confirmed fact, that DB failed her polygraph. We know that she SAYS she was TOLD she did. But that is not confirmed. (Logic says that either she passed it and LE fibbed to her to gain psychological advantage, or she failed it. Interpretation of truthful people failing polys has been discussed on other threads.)

And, most importantly - we have NO IDEA what LE thinks in this case. As long as the parents are not arrested though, we can assume that LE either doesn't think the family is involved, or that they DO and don't have evidence to support it yet.

So, if you stand by those three things, logic would say that you should be standing on the fence at best, or leaning towards innocence.

JMO

 

[tink92]

Oh, Please.....What would be the purpose for LE interviewing separately? Seriously? I'm plum out of fairy dust!

:drink:

Why are you finding this so hard to understand?....I would refuse to speak to LE without my husband there for me..I would prob need someone to hold me upright too as I would be a wreck. If LE was interrogating me for hours and hours and not moving on from pointing the finger at me..then I would refuse to talk to them anymore without my DH or lawyer.

You disagree...thats fine...I expected you would..:floorlaugh:....But lets move on...it doesn't mean DB is guilty anymore than it would mean i would be guilty.

 

[Karmaa]

Seconding this.

I'll start.

1. They are distraught and cannot handle going through it without spousal support.

2. They are worried they will be caught in inconsistencies in their recounting of events.

3. They are afraid of being lured into spilling something.


Cannot think of more for now. Anyone?

4. They are worried about being psychologically manipulated into a false confession.

 

[tink92]

And that right there is a big problem. Lack of evidence does not mean GUILT. It means INNOCENCE, at least as far as our judicial system goes. If guilt was determined by gut reactions or statistics then we may as well be in China or Iraq.

It is statistically likely that the parents had a hand in whatever happened to the child. But it is also statistically unlikely that they could have done "something" and left no evidence. We only know a tiny fraction of the evidence in this case, and even with that little bit we can see that there is no logical way that DB could have done "something" to Lisa in the available time.

As far as "fighting for HER" (Deb) I don't believe that is true for most people. The people who tend to be supportive of CONSIDERING her innocence are almost without exception willing to consider her guilt as well. But before we grab pitchforks and torches, we would like to be sure she DID something at least, and preferably know WHAT she did, and HOW she did it.

This is not some kind of a game, where the first person to correctly guess the killer wins, which is how some people seem to take this. (Not you.) I would rather wait to judge someone until I have something more than rumor and leaked info that doesn't show anywhere near the whole picture, than to risk taking a serious karmic hit for having ill-will towards someone who should be getting my sympathy instead.

Excellent post!!!!...I agree with every word!:clap:

 

[Donjeta]

We only know a tiny fraction of the evidence in this case, and even with that little bit we can see that there is no logical way that DB could have done "something" to Lisa in the available time.
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SBM
How can we see that?

 

[Kavya01]

And that right there is a big problem. Lack of evidence does not mean GUILT. It means INNOCENCE, at least as far as our judicial system goes. If guilt was determined by gut reactions or statistics then we may as well be in China or Iraq.

It is statistically likely that the parents had a hand in whatever happened to the child. But it is also statistically unlikely that they could have done "something" and left no evidence. We only know a tiny fraction of the evidence in this case, and even with that little bit we can see that there is no logical way that DB could have done "something" to Lisa in the available time.

As far as "fighting for HER" (Deb) I don't believe that is true for most people. The people who tend to be supportive of CONSIDERING her innocence are almost without exception willing to consider her guilt as well. But before we grab pitchforks and torches, we would like to be sure she DID something at least, and preferably know WHAT she did, and HOW she did it.

This is not some kind of a game, where the first person to correctly guess the killer wins, which is how some people seem to take this. (Not you.) I would rather wait to judge someone until I have something more than rumor and leaked info that doesn't show anywhere near the whole picture, than to risk taking a serious karmic hit for having ill-will towards someone who should be getting my sympathy instead.

In regards to feeling the parents have already been convicted in the court of public opinion:

Again to me it comes down to this. sapiens is a beast of herd and group mentality. Retaining the herd's favor means adhering to its standards. when a heinous crime has been committed in your home, the whole community will feel appalled and connected. Everyone has a home after all. What if? It stands to reason that people want to get to the truth and root of it as well, and would like for the family to aid towards that.

Then, deviation from that public norm, such as clamming up, becoming secretive, guarded, ensconcing self and refusing to be open and forthcoming, will bring down the community group's scorn.

It's a fairly well-known given. MOST group members will tell you that perceived secrecy equals perceived guilt.

Then. WHY engage in this behavior? Unless it is even MORE detrimental to be communicative.... for fear of revealing things?

That is what I meant earlier. The family is reaping what they sowed.
It may be unfair that they have to concern themselves with this in this time of loss, but it's the reality of the matter.

 

[Sabot]

4. They are worried about being psychologically manipulated into a false confession.

They are worried about inadvertently offering some information that can later be misinterpreted and used against them. This is much more easily done than one might suppose since LE are prone to asking loaded questions.
LE spend hours working out the format of questions in a deliberate attempt to get an answer that could be misconstrued.

 

[Kavya01]

They are worried about inadvertently offering some information that can later be misinterpreted and used against them. This is much more easily done than one might suppose since LE are prone to asking loaded questions.
LE spend hours working out the format of questions in a deliberate attempt to get an answer that could be misconstrued.

BBM.
Call me naive. But am I reading right that police ON purpose rather trip people into giving answers that are lies rather than getting to the truth?

Why on earth would that benefit anything?