Poll: Did Casey Really Keep Caylee in the Trunk Before Caylee Died?

[kageykaren]

Hi Brini! I was born and raised in NW Indiana...and I'm still here :bang: LOL


I have a question for those who think Casey used the trunk as a baby sitter. Where and how did she get the baby into the trunk without being seen? This is a genuine question, I'm not being snarky. I'm interested in your theories.

Raised in indianapolis also! Went to highschool at Lawrence Central & IUPUI Loved Broadripple! I owned a white sunbird the yr. they came out and I can state that an aero bed blown up size twin (and they are long and wide when enflated) would not fit in the car any wich way you might try to stuff it.

 

[april_showers]

voted no.

same as a lot of posters here - a year ago I thought differently. The initial little snippets of info we were getting seemed to paint that picture: body in the trunk + chloroform + pictures of KC partying it up at the hot body contest (with Caylee nowhere in sight)... etc.

however, a lot has changed since then. I don't think there was any need to ever drug Caylee. The initial picture of a "party mom" has been etched in our brains since day one, mostly as the result of those pics surfacing. But most nights, KC actually was just hanging out at Tony's, at Ricardo's before that, etc. Not necessarily engaged in innocent activities, but a bit different than running around all over town. Those random Fusion nights were when KC was "working" and Caylee was home w/ Cindy. Otherwise, if KC was "staying in" at whomevers house, she usually had Caylee in tow.

 

[chastity]

While I think KC was capable of a lot of things, I just do not, nor have I ever believed she put her in the trunk when she was alive.

 

[FORDANIEL]

Hi Brini! I was born and raised in NW Indiana...and I'm still here :bang: LOL


I have a question for those who think Casey used the trunk as a baby sitter. Where and how did she get the baby into the trunk without being seen? This is a genuine question, I'm not being snarky. I'm interested in your theories.

OT But I was born and raised in NW Indiana as well! I no longer,like many of you,think that KC used the trunk as a babysitter. I do,however,think that "the nanny" was a place,an object,or something inappropriate,Otherwise,where was Caylee,when not with KC,and not with CA?:waitasec:

 

[grinchmaiden]

Mama, I voted unsure because 7 yrs ago I had a daugter that was so much like kc who had a baby that I did just what GA and CA thought about doing, and everyday that this has gone on I have said "but by the grace of God there go I. It was hard enough to kick her out of my home and take the baby but when we went to court to get her, I found out so many things that I would not have believed my daughter would have done that I just cant rule anything out. I do believe there are so many things that will be brought out at trial that we will all be rereading just because we cant wrap our heads around it all

 

[Brini]

Raised in indianapolis also! Went to highschool at Lawrence Central & IUPUI Loved Broadripple! I owned a white sunbird the yr. they came out and I can state that an aero bed blown up size twin (and they are long and wide when enflated) would not fit in the car any wich way you might try to stuff it.

Broadripple! LOVED Broadripple!

I was yanked out to MI, when I was 12. Went to Flackville School. Mom: Butler, Dad: Purdue, IU. Lived on N. Medford.

I never got some things out of my blood: Lakes, creeks, springtime, chlorophyll, fireflies.

Hated the 500.

Sad that LS Ayers is gone.

GGGgrandad owned the general store that is now an historic bldg in Brown Co. Park.

 

[Brini]

While I think KC was capable of a lot of things, I just do not, nor have I ever believed she put her in the trunk when she was alive.

I think KC is capable of anything. But, I think it would be too easy to get caught, with a kid in the trunk.

She might have banged on it, or yelled.

And, in FL, even the best weather is horrible. Too easy to miscalculate. I think it would likely have happened earlier on.

 

[LCoastMom]

I'm unsure because there's no understatement in saying that addictions can trump reason and judgement. I think her need for connection and to prove control would win every time. If her attachment to Caylee was possession rather than true caring or love I'm sure she justified her decisions regarding temperature and visibility of the car by using that learned ability from CA about 'gut feelings'. If it felt OK to KC, then it was OK. She may have gotten away with it a few times. I wonder how old KC was when she realized that her mother's 'gut feelings' had absolutely no credibility.

What I'm not sure about is whether she left Caylee's body in the car after death. I keep thinking that the 'fluid' deposit was made in a clumsy transfer of the body from one location to another. Who knew a bit of seapage could create so many problems, eh KC? Sure made her scramble. I wonder when the canvas laundry bag went missing from the house? If they only had one, there may be a recent receipt for the one retrieved from the home in December. Sorry if that's already been answered ... I haven't searched the receipts.

Are you suggesting final disposition of the remains is tied into KC's need for control? Or wherever she may have stashed her originally? Is it possible she stashed her in the car, not realizing how quickly she would have a decomp problem? Possibly even the 1st time she was in the car after parking it at ToNY's on Monday afternoon. They spent all day Tuesday being lazy, hanging around. Did she even use her car on Tuesday? If not, by Wednesday when ToNY went to school, she would have been faced with a huge odor issue. So on Thursday she ran out and disposed of her problem once and for all.

The reason I believe she was in the car, is the size of the stain. George describes it as almost the size and shape of a basketball when talking to the FBI guys. That would take quite a bit of fluid, I believe that is more than would be left by a "transfer". The fact that it was in a couple places in the trunk, this is where I think transfer or taking her out of the car could come into play.

The other reason I believe Caylee was in the car for longer than just a trip down to the end of the street; when Dr Lee examined the car 4 months after it was taken into evidence, the odor was still very strong. The carpeting had been out of the car for weeks at least, in order to collect evidence from it to send to the FBI. And yet the car still reeked.

When the stain was first talked about in the media, it was rumored that LE actually knew how Caylee was positioned in the trunk, based on the outline of the stain. I'm sorry I can't give you a link, the PC with all my files kicked the bucket and I'm still waiting to get the hard drive back.

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[wenwe4]

I think the trunk was a "moving temporary coffin" for this baby girl's body (sorry so graphic). All indications to me point to child dying at the house (laundry bag, hefty bag, duct tape, blanket, no shoes on Caylee) and being "packaged" at the house for the ride in the trunk. 2 days later smell is overwhelming and KC realizes there's a basketball size stain in the trunk - no longer is the "packaging" containing fluids. Also, remember for drug tests to show positive results in the hair - it must have had time to grow through the hair. A one time recent event will probably not show up as the hair has not had time to grow . JMO

 

[LCoastMom]

Mama, I voted unsure because 7 yrs ago I had a daugter that was so much like kc who had a baby that I did just what GA and CA thought about doing, and everyday that this has gone on I have said "but by the grace of God there go I. It was hard enough to kick her out of my home and take the baby but when we went to court to get her, I found out so many things that I would not have believed my daughter would have done that I just cant rule anything out. I do believe there are so many things that will be brought out at trial that we will all be rereading just because we cant wrap our heads around it all

grinchmaiden,

Welcome belatedly to WS.

Thank you for putting your grandbaby's safety first.

I have been talking about having grandchildren practically since the day my daughter was born. (I saw that my mom had the best end of the deal.) Since being here and reading elsewhere, I can sleep most comfortably knowing the children she hasn't had, are children I haven't had to rescue. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed it stays this way.

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[grinchmaiden]

Missmybaby thank you for the welcome, I can tell you that Miss G is the most important person in my life. My DS adopted her because as far as my Daughter was concerned my having her meant that she could play Mama and then go live her life. Two days after I took her I ended up in a coma and by the time I could take care of myveryownself she had already developed a family life with my sister and her family.
Now for the good news my daughter has moved on to have another child and she takes very good care of him. But she will tell you herself that Miss G might not have made it to 7 had I not chosen the path that led us to where we are now. She also follows this case and thanks me all the time for stepping in.

 

[Curious Me]

I vote not sure yet.

The haunting look of Caylee on her great-grandfather's lap in the video still bothers me because I can't describe what I'm reading into it.

To me, she looks tired, alittle puffy, eyes don't show her usual vitality. I don't know if it's my imagination, but when she is holding on to her great-grandfather I see this look like almost a fear in the back of her mind. (or like she sensed something bad was going to happen)

Had anything been going on before that day that was bothering her? Sleeping in a trunk and waking up wozzy? Or sleeping in one of the bfs beds and hearing/seeing her mommy having sex at Ricardo's then at TonE's? It's very possible she did tell Cindy something on the drive home from Mt Dora.

The trunk on a regular basis - I lean more towards probably not.

 

[Jolynna]

I think the trunk was a "moving temporary coffin" for this baby girl's body (sorry so graphic). All indications to me point to child dying at the house (laundry bag, hefty bag, duct tape, blanket, no shoes on Caylee) and being "packaged" at the house for the ride in the trunk. 2 days later smell is overwhelming and KC realizes there's a basketball size stain in the trunk - no longer is the "packaging" containing fluids. Also, remember for drug tests to show positive results in the hair - it must have had time to grow through the hair. A one time recent event will probably not show up as the hair has not had time to grow . JMO

No, if Caylee had been given a drug just that one time it would not show up in Caylee's hair. But, Caylee's hair was long enough so that if KC had been using Xanex or anything else to make Caylee sleep before there would have evidence of it in her hair.

I think Caylee died in the Anthony house too.

 

[wenwe4]

fwiw . . . i still think first she dumped the body and then the chloroform smell in the trunk could have been an artifact of KC trying to clean up the smell (mixing cleaning chemicals) and she may have tried to shampoo or shop vac the chemicals out and dumped them in the backyard near the pool (hence the cadavar dogs alerted back there). when all else failed, i think she left laundry soap and softner sheets in the trunk with the garbage - then dump the car.

with regard to the "bonding" between kc and Caylee -
1) even if CA held Caylee first - a child attaches to their primary caregiver(s) who are consistently meeting their needs (patterns of behavior not a one time event)
2) From the descriptions of the parent/child relationship from all of KC's friends - it sounds as if Caylee may have suffered from an anxious attachment with her Mom - and separation anxiety is often an indication of this.
3) KC probably was suffering from her own self induced attachment issues with her daughter, (ie: I want you to want me when I want you . . . but if you want me to hold you too often or too close for my comfort - I feel as if you will suffocate me).

 

[LCoastMom]

I don't believe she put Caylee in the trunk anytime prior to her death as I doubt she would have survived it. 'If' Caylee survived such an event, she would have been traumatised and clearly that would have been obvious to the A's. I also think leaving her in the backseat with the windows partially down would also have traumatised the child.

Respectfully snipped. BBM.

There is something about the pictures and even that so sweet video taken of Caylee on June 15, 2008. I have never been able to put my finger on it. (I also can't watch it.) But since day 31, I have had the feeling something happened to Caylee in the days leading up to those pictures being taken.

At first I talked myself out of believing it, thinking she spent all day with her grandmother, her grandmother would have noticed. Well, that theory was shot down when Cindy continued, despite all the evidence to believe KC is innocent (and Caylee was alive). But it makes me angry, Cindy should have noticed. Maybe if she did, Caylee would still be here. KC let Caylee down, but so did Cindy....

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[LCoastMom]

I am thinking that is what started the fight on Father's day........little Caylee told CA lots on their trip to GGpa. One secret was the car trunk, IMO.
It was hot in June, but what about the winter months?
IMO, it was a place to hide CAYLEE while KC did her thing...........
KC doped CAYLEE up with something in the velveeta cheese........IMO

If Caylee shared with Cindy that that KC was locking her in the trunk, why in H3LL did Cindy let KC back in that house? Why was Cindy not waiting with LE when KC got home? Why did Cindy ever let KC be in the same room with that precious child again?

OMG If I ever thought for a half a second my daughter was locking her baby in anything. She would never set eyes on that child again.

Buts she would find her @$$ locked in jail so quick her head wouldn't have time to spin!!!

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[Noddy]

Are you suggesting final disposition of the remains is tied into KC's need for control? Or wherever she may have stashed her originally? Is it possible she stashed her in the car, not realizing how quickly she would have a decomp problem? Possibly even the 1st time she was in the car after parking it at ToNY's on Monday afternoon. They spent all day Tuesday being lazy, hanging around. Did she even use her car on Tuesday? If not, by Wednesday when ToNY went to school, she would have been faced with a huge odor issue. So on Thursday she ran out and disposed of her problem once and for all.

The reason I believe she was in the car, is the size of the stain. George describes it as almost the size and shape of a basketball when talking to the FBI guys. That would take quite a bit of fluid, I believe that is more than would be left by a "transfer". The fact that it was in a couple places in the trunk, this is where I think transfer or taking her out of the car could come into play.

The other reason I believe Caylee was in the car for longer than just a trip down to the end of the street; when Dr Lee examined the car 4 months after it was taken into evidence, the odor was still very strong. The carpeting had been out of the car for weeks at least, in order to collect evidence from it to send to the FBI. And yet the car still reeked.

When the stain was first talked about in the media, it was rumored that LE actually knew how Caylee was positioned in the trunk, based on the outline of the stain. I'm sorry I can't give you a link, the PC with all my files kicked the bucket and I'm still waiting to get the hard drive back.

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Nope ... the first part of my statement you've bolded was in answer to the poll question. "Did KC Really Keep Caylee in the Trunk Before Caylee Died". I didn't explain my thought very well and may have read the question a bit too literally. I just think her addiction to texting, communicating and one upmanship would allow her to justify leaving Caylee in the car for certain periods of time. I don't think she left her asleep in the car, drugged or otherwise, for any great length of time but in my opinion she sure doesn't seem the type to understand that even short periods are 'stoopid'.

My thought on the fluid left in the car was from a horrible feeling I had shortly after Caylee was discovered and we heard more of the details. I was cleaning out a fridge. A lot had to go and it weighed about 25 lbs. I double bagged it, closed it and thought holy mackeral ... this is hideous. It gave me shivers. KC would have to heft more than this weight into her car. The plastic would have ripped. You're right of course ... KC may have just left her there in the car and taken her to the final site later but I think (for no apparent reason:crazy that the laundry bag was to help her get the bag out of the car and to heft it into the woods or down the drainage hole or who knows? Just my imagination doing manoevres.

As far as the smell getting more intense; I lived in an apartment where the previous tenants used a bong. It spilled and that stuff smells like the worst cat urine. Even 1 1/2 years after sealing, new carpeting and paint, that smell never went away. I can just imagine decomp fluid being the same sort of thing.

Hope your computer gets back before more doc dumps arrive.

 

[PaulaF513]

I don't believe that KC routinely put Caylee in the trunk, however I think Caylee was in the trunk while KC and TL strolled into Blockbusters that Monday night, ducttaped and beginning to decompose.

 

[illinoismom]

First of all sorry for not being up on my facts. I have strayed away from this case only coming by to read the daily updates now and then.

IIRC, KC had only been dating Tony for a short period of time, right? So if she was using drugs to put Caylee to sleep it wouldnt show up in her hair yet? Im in agreement with FORDANIEL about KC possibly keeping Caylee at that house. There is some reason why DC was there looking around and the house being owned by a Gonzoles. JMO

I dont think Caylee spent time in the trunk before her death but I think KC kept her there for a few days after in order to have control of the situation. She just didnt do her homework and ended up with a mess.

I have always thought the chloroform was used to clean up and not used on Caylee too.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I voted no. I have never personally believed that theory. I especially didn't believe it after I read the IM's between KC and various people. There were numerous times where she made up excuses as to why she couldn't go out and party. IMO if she was using the trunk as a baby sitter she wouldn't need to make up excuses(her mom isn't home yet, the Nanny is in traffic..whatever she said LOL). If she were putting Caylee in the trunk to go out, excuses wouldn't have been required. JMO!