Poll: Did Casey Really Keep Caylee in the Trunk Before Caylee Died?

[Jolynna]

If I had a dead body in my trunk, I'd hang around the house until I absolutely had to leave. Driving around with a dead body in your trunk is a scary thought. Anything could happen. Safer to be at home. I think GA saw her at 12:50 without Caylee and she told him she had already dropped her off. Later, she told LE "between 9am-1pm because she wasn't sure if GA would say he didn't see Caylee at all that morning. I don't think she ever left that house until she had to because she had a body in her trunk. By the end of the day, she had to get out of there and she did, body in the trunk or not. Prior to that, it was safer for her to be at home.

KC wouldn't have had to drive anywhere except to Tony's. Tony was home on June 16. He didn't have school that day. Once she got there , she parked.,

They took Tony's car to Blockbuster. KC didn't look the least bit shaken. On June 19,Tony and Matt Crisp rode in KC's car and, according to Matt and Tony, Casey was her usual self.

George said he saw Caylee and KC leave for "work" and she told him she and Caylee wouldn't be back that night. George said Caylee was wearing sunglasses, shoes, a pink top and a denim skirt.

Since KC pinged from around the Anthony house, she didn't go far to"work". But she was back in the house by 3 because the Anthony computer power level went way up.

 

[chefmom]

Why would CA go to the trouble to obtain chloroform to clean the car when there are plenty of other cleaning agents and solvents readily available? Plus, if chloroform or anything else had been used to actually clean the car why oh why was it still a stinky stained mess with maggots, etc. when it was found?

I would think that chloroform would be a better cleaning agent than most other household cleansers, considering that what was needing cleaned was decomp fluid. And, I imagine that if someone who wasn't exactly learned about how to use it might just pour some on a stain, and then quickly realize those fumes are dangerous, and get back. Possibly. I doubt any cleaning that the average person could do would be able to get that smell out in just one cleaning.

 

[Marina2]

KC wouldn't have had to drive anywhere except to Tony's. Tony was home on June 16. He didn't have school that day. Once she got there , she parked.,

They took Tony's car to Blockbuster. KC didn't look the least bit shaken. On June 19,Tony and Matt Crisp rode in KC's car and according to Matt and Tony Casey was her usual self.

George said he saw Caylee and KC leave for "work" and she told him she and Caylee wouldn't be back that night. George said Caylee was wearing sunglasses, shoes, a pink top and a denim skirt.

Since KC pinged from around the Anthony house, she didn't go far to"work". But she was back in the house by 3 because the Anthony computer power level went way up.

Thanks Jolynna,
I'd like to comment on all that but we'd be going way OT...:crazy:.
To answer your original question "Why did she stay at home on the 16th, if she had a dead body in the trunk? Again, why wouldn't she? It was the safest place to be at that time. She may have stayed around to put her in the sandbox. I don't think she ever left that day.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I do not think Caylee was in the trunk prior to KC dating Tony.
Tony did not like kids around. KC was dating Tony only a short time. Before Tony her previous boyfriend liked the baby, KC brought her along when did not want to baby sit. But CA was growing tired of baby sitting and they found out she did not have a job so CA wanted to make KC more reliable by not baby sitting. This changed everything.
KC did not want to always say "I cant go" all the time.
IMHO - THIS IS WHY CA is so angry and feeling so guilty too.

BUT baby was not always in the trunk to go out, this was new.

MOO

I could be wrong, but I think some of the correspondance regarding KC not being able to go out was with AL.

 

[marspiter]

I voted No. The only time Caylee was in the trunk was during transport to the site she was dumped. I also think Caylee was left in the trunk (a day or two) before she was dumped while Casey tried to decide how to dispose of her. Kind of reminds me of one of the cases here in NC back in the late 90's early 2000's. Seemed to be a rash of teen and 20 something year old mothers killing their babies and dumping them in the trash. The Fiske case is a good example of dumping ones baby in the trash and leaving it in the car for a couple days before its dumped.

I do have to say the amount of Chloroform found does intrigue me. Seen some good theories that seem solid, but until trial I think that piece of information as to why it was there is going to continue to be a big ? mark.

 

[Shear22]

I would think that chloroform would be a better cleaning agent than most other household cleansers, considering that what was needing cleaned was decomp fluid. And, I imagine that if someone who wasn't exactly learned about how to use it might just pour some on a stain, and then quickly realize those fumes are dangerous, and get back. Possibly. I doubt any cleaning that the average person could do would be able to get that smell out in just one cleaning.

I think a nurse in particular would avoid using chloroform precisely because it is so dangerous, especially since she could go to the store and buy all sorts of industrial strength cleaners available to the general public.

I really just can't see the scenario of anyone having decomp in a trunk and thinking: I need to acquire chloroform to clean this up.

Plus, CA was a neat freak and my understanding is that the car was still messy (not just stained) when the police got to it.

 

[Jolynna]

I think a nurse in particular would avoid using chloroform precisely because it is so dangerous, especially since she could go to the store and buy all sorts of industrial strength cleaners available to the general public.

I really just can't see the scenario of anyone having decomp in a trunk and thinking: I need to acquire chloroform to clean this up.

Plus, CA was a neat freak and my understanding is that the car was still messy (not just stained) when the police got to it.

BBM

Exactly.

George and Cindy might be guilty of doing a lot of things but neither one of them is messy. Neither George or Cindy would have left a trash bag in the car trunk, let alone thrown a paper towel with a dead body substance on it into the bag.

 

[Jolynna]

I don't believe Caylee ever used her car trunk as a babysitter.

Caylee would had to have been drugged or tied up and bound to be kept quiet.

Binding leaves marks. Duct tape would remove fragile baby skin when pulled off. Caylee's hair was tested and did not show Caylee had been dosed over this past year or more. Also "mommy tied me up and left me in the car" is within an almost 3-year-old's vocabulary range.

 

[Tuffy]

I don't believe Caylee ever used her car trunk as a babysitter.

Caylee would had to have been drugged or tied up and bound to be kept quiet.

Binding leaves marks. Duct tape would remove fragile baby skin when pulled off. Caylee's hair was tested and did not show Caylee had been dosed over this past year or more. Also "mommy tied me up and left me in the car" is within an almost 3-year-old's vocabulary range.

I think any child that had been locked in a trunk would show some fear, if not downright terror, at the idea of being taken to a car. (Especially by the person who put them in there before!)

No one has mentioned Caylee having any fear of cars, trunks, or her mom putting her in the trunk. Even if the heat didn't kill her, there would be physical, and psychological effects from this type of abuse.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I voted No. The only time Caylee was in the trunk was during transport to the site she was dumped. I also think Caylee was left in the trunk (a day or two) before she was dumped while Casey tried to decide how to dispose of her. Kind of reminds me of one of the cases here in NC back in the late 90's early 2000's. Seemed to be a rash of teen and 20 something year old mothers killing their babies and dumping them in the trash. The Fiske case is a good example of dumping ones baby in the trash and leaving it in the car for a couple days before its dumped.

I do have to say the amount of Chloroform found does intrigue me. Seen some good theories that seem solid, but until trial I think that piece of information as to why it was there is going to continue to be a big ? mark.

BBM --

This would fit in with her dying on the 16th. Placed in the trunk, then, per the 2.6 days decomp, took her out on the 18th. Since she borrowed the neighbors shovel and backed into the garage, safe to say she buried Caylee there. Then, she borrows the shovel and backs into the garage. Puts Caylee in the laundry bag, the the garbage bags (all of which were in the garage), which is where they is no more decomp - she's triple bagged :sick:

 

[Hollys G-mom]

KC wouldn't have had to drive anywhere except to Tony's. Tony was home on June 16. He didn't have school that day. Once she got there , she parked.,

They took Tony's car to Blockbuster. KC didn't look the least bit shaken. On June 19,Tony and Matt Crisp rode in KC's car and, according to Matt and Tony, Casey was her usual self.

George said he saw Caylee and KC leave for "work" and she told him she and Caylee wouldn't be back that night. George said Caylee was wearing sunglasses, shoes, a pink top and a denim skirt.

Since KC pinged from around the Anthony house, she didn't go far to"work". But she was back in the house by 3 because the Anthony computer power level went way up.

BBM Did Matt C mention the smell of the vehicle? Did he complain of death smell? If Caylee had been decomposing in the trunk since late hours of 6/15 or 6/16, the smell should have been at it's apex on 6/19.

 

[Tuffy]

BBM Did Matt C mention the smell of the vehicle? Did he complain of death smell? If Caylee had been decomposing in the trunk since late hours of 6/15 or 6/16, the smell should have been at it's apex on 6/19.

I am not sure about Matt C, but TL said he never smelled the death smell in the car. I don't think the smell was at the apex on 6/19 either. I think it got worse as it sat at the towyard.

 

[Balthazar]

Someone in the Anthony household did a internet search on how to make chloroform. Do we know what date that search was made?

I don't think anyone was trying to use chloroform as cleaning fluid.

I also don't think Caylee was ever kept in the trunk prior to her death. It's just too hot in Florida for that to be a possibility.

 

[Shear22]

BBM Did Matt C mention the smell of the vehicle? Did he complain of death smell? If Caylee had been decomposing in the trunk since late hours of 6/15 or 6/16, the smell should have been at it's apex on 6/19.

I don't think Matt C was ever in KC's car. In his interview he just says that KC and Tony went to see him about leasing an apartment. He actually mentions that KC didn't have ID with her so he couldn't show her the apartment but he showed it to Tony. Now, while I don't put it past KC to drive without a license, I assume Tony was driving and she wasn't even carrying a purse. The only time Matt C. mentions a vehicle is to say that when he say KC on July 7 she was driving Tony's car.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Crisp Matthew0717.pdf

I don't remember if Tony talked about this incident and remembers it differently. If somebody has a link to his account of it I'd like to read it.

 

[doogiesgirl]

You are welcome.

What I think is really interesting is the call from the Anthony house to KC in the wee hours of the morning and KC heading home immediately afterwards. The VERY SAME THING had happened the week before too. Besides Cindy's control issues, I wonder if Caylee had some bedtime issues.

Cindy said Caylee wouldn't take naps in her own bed and that KC had to lie down with her, I wonder if Caylee was waking up while KC was gone and throwing hissy fits at 2 & 3 a.m.? Even if Ricardo doesn't seem like the most romantic kind of guy (IMO), surely KC and he would have preferred NOT to have to share their bed with Caylee?

Somebody here showed a log of KC's texts and phone calls during the last two weeks of Caylee's life. When KC WAS home, she spent almost every minute texting and talking. Even on Cindy's birthday. There had to have been friction between KC and Cindy about KC doing her share of helping care for Caylee. Lots of times in instant messages and texts, KC says she has to go help her mother with Caylee.

Shirley was on Cindy to be stronger about KC's stealing. Cindy was calling KC and forcing her to come home while she was blissfully in the arms of her greatest love, ever. A counselor was telling Cindy to kick KC out and go for custody of Caylee. When KC was home she texted & talked on the phone and Cindy was probably resentful. George admits he and Cindy were considering going for custody of Caylee. Caylee's language skills were increasing and she probably talked about Tony not Zanny. All the tension in the house would have made Caylee clingier when both Cindy and KC's nerves were frayed and raw.

One thing this case doesn't lack is motive.

My gosh I've read so many documents, listened to so many recordings, I am getting all of it confused. I thought CA said that KC didn't even call her on her 50th birthday. And I had no idea there was evidence of the A home calling KC at 3 in the morning and KC running home. Remember when YM and EE asked CA about the story they heard from RM? He said that KC said she took Caylee home in the middle of the night, and CA told YM and EE she didn't know anything about that! JMO

 

[Jolynna]

My gosh I've read so many documents, listened to so many recordings, I am getting all of it confused. I thought CA said that KC didn't even call her on her 50th birthday. And I had no idea there was evidence of the A home calling KC at 3 in the morning and KC running home. Remember when YM and EE asked CA about the story they heard from RM? He said that KC said she took Caylee home in the middle of the night, and CA told YM and EE she didn't know anything about that! JMO

Cindy DID say KC didn't call on her birthday. BUT, that isn't backed up by KC's phone pings. KC's pings show she was home with the Anthony's the evening of Cindy's birthday. Although, she was talking and texting all night and couldn't have been sharing family times with her mother. Cindy lied/exaggerated about KC's neglect.

According to RM, the evening when Cindy called in the middle of the night and Caylee was gone in the morning was while RM & KC were "officially" a couple. That was in April at the latest although KC DID continue to have sex with RM and stay over with Caylee up until 6 days before Caylee died.

Phone records show that the after-midnight calls during the last two weeks of Caylee's life from the Anthony house came while KC was out with Tony (Fusian nights when Caylee was with Cindy), not when KC was with RM.

 

[Brini]

Yes, but being a nurse, she probably would have known how to obtain it, and being the clean freak that she is, may have already had it at her home. I can't help but think that the chloroform was used to clean the car, but of course, I could be wrong. The other alternative would be that she used it on Caylee, and that just seems so overboard on a toddler that I can't wrap my brain around it. Same with locking her in the trunk while she partied. I think this case has made many of us stretch our imaginations a bit farther than we might normally because there is so much unknown about what actually happened. Since no one in this family seems to be able to just tell the truth, we will probably never know how, when, where, or why that little angel was taken from this earth.

I don't know any nurse who would know how to obtain chlorofrom. I'm a nurse, and I sure don't. It simply is not present in any facility at which we work. It hasn't been used medically for about a decade, IIRC. Maybe longer. And, a nurse would want to work with something much safer, IMHO.

But, I agree that this case is SO Byzantine, and the family is SO bizarre, that we come up with some pretty wild stuff now any then. It's like a Fellini or Oliver Stone movie. Or, maybe a 70s acid trip.

I don't think she put Caylee in the trunk, BTW, because in FL, she would not have lived more than a few minutes. And, I don't think KC could've kept track.

 

[Patty G]

PLEASE let's get back on the title of this thread.

"Did KC Really Keep Caylee in the Trunk Before Caylee Died?" ​

 

[Patty G]

I don't feel that Casey ever placed Caylee in the trunk of her car prior to Caylee's death.

 

[MidAtlanticNative]

I voted No. The only time Caylee was in the trunk was during transport to the site she was dumped. I also think Caylee was left in the trunk (a day or two) before she was dumped while Casey tried to decide how to dispose of her. Kind of reminds me of one of the cases here in NC back in the late 90's early 2000's. Seemed to be a rash of teen and 20 something year old mothers killing their babies and dumping them in the trash. The Fiske case is a good example of dumping ones baby in the trash and leaving it in the car for a couple days before its dumped.

I do have to say the amount of Chloroform found does intrigue me. Seen some good theories that seem solid, but until trial I think that piece of information as to why it was there is going to continue to be a big ? mark.

(bold mine)

Agreed!